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Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) at WWDC

knackroller said:
I feel that Apple should not be charging us for all these "new" OSX. Honestly, comparing my wife's OSX 10.2 and my OSX 10.4, there isn't THAT much of a difference, mainly Dashboard, and Finder, which isn't really worth the price of two upgrades (10.3, 10.4). Maybe from 10.1 to 10.5 that might be worth the price of ONE upgrade. What do you people think?
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Simply put, if you don't think it's worth the price, don't upgrade.
 
CellarDoor said:
Yes. you can upgrade from 10.1 to 10.5 for 129 bucks. i guess it comes down to how long you want to wait to upgrade.

::edit:: that wasn't really a satisfactory answer to what you were asking though. I don't know, I feel like I'm at a reduced level of productivity because I'm still running panther. although that might because I'm also running an overwhelmed 700mhz eMac... It's easy for us mac devotees to geek out over new features that aren't really necessary to an adequate user experience... I guess it's up to the individual.
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Used properly, Spotlight and Widgets can be significant productivity aids, all told.
 
ReelToReel said:
Although I love BootCamp, maybe we will see built in windows virtualization for those who need less graphic-intense programs (not games), and don't want to deal with partitioning and rebooting every time they need to use windows.
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I hope Leopard will give both options.
Virtualization for quick 'n easy usage of Windows apps, and
Boot Camp for full speed Windows gaming.

Someone think a "red box" could be implemented?
 
MacVault said:
I know that's not exactly a feature, but I've been absolutely HATING Quicken for OS X forever
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Have a look at MoneyDance - it's a java finance application that's cross platform - Mac, Windows, Linux.

It may do what you need.
 
CellarDoor said:
maybe safari 3.0 will feature draggable tabs, and easy keyboard navigation for tabs, like Adium has. I'm so used to that UI that when I go into safari I start using the same key commands. it's a real problem. I don't know what I'm going to do. :(
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Install SAFT?
 
Ummmm remember that Apple is dropping the word "Power" from their computers. The new PowerMac's will be called MacMac's.
 
ErikGrim said:
Install SAFT?
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Haha totally forgot about saft. I installed it, and quickly got fed up with the nags. couldn't pay for a license. Also Saft seems kind of rough around the edges. lots of power, sure. couldn't justify paying extra $$$ for it though. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
I'll be very interested to see what Leopard has to offer - and even more interested to know when it's coming out because that is when I buy a new Mac! :)
 
This isn't that hard to understand.

bdkennedy1 said:
Ummmm remember that Apple is dropping the word "Power" from their computers. The new PowerMac's will be called MacMac's.
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With "PowerBook" changing to "MacBook" they weren't so much dropping "Power" as adding "Mac". It's marketing 101 - Brand re-enforcement.

Therefore, Apple may leave the "PowerMac" as the "PowerMac".

However, I believe that Apple will call it the "MacPro" or "MacintoshPro" (not likely) to align itself with other "pro" hardware (MacBookPro) and software (Final Cut, etc.) and seperate it from consumer hardware (iMac) and software (iLife etc).

- Red 2.
 
knackroller said:
I feel that Apple should not be charging us for all these "new" OSX. Honestly, comparing my wife's OSX 10.2 and my OSX 10.4, there isn't THAT much of a difference, mainly Dashboard, and Finder, which isn't really worth the price of two upgrades (10.3, 10.4). Maybe from 10.1 to 10.5 that might be worth the price of ONE upgrade. What do you people think?
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For the price, I think my upgrade from 10.2 - 10.4 was well worth it.

On another note, I don't want Microsoft to "steal" great ideas from Leopard at WWDC and then just "pop them in" to Vista last minute. Mind you, it's microsoft, they have never "gotten it right" so oh well. My father in law is always amazed with the new Windows OS when my brother in law and I say "yeah, we've been doing... xxx ... for a while on the mac already". :D
 
blimundus said:
Doesn't look very easy and, more importantly, I'm not going to buy windows in order to use linux. Oh, and it's not very urgent, since I don't have a Mac.
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I don't think you need Windows to install Linux(I can't imagine why would you). After the partitioning, just skip the Windows part and continue from:
Insert the Linux live cd, and restart. When you hear the chime, hold down the c button to boot into linux.
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I must say I haven't tried this so I may be wrong, but I'd be extremely surprised if I am. And BTW, "installing Linux" and "easy" should not be used in the same sentence (sorry, but it's in the constitution :p )
 
Lurch_Mojoff said:
snip... BTW installing Linux and easy should not be used in the same sentence (sorry, but it's in the constitution :p )
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Actually, installing Linux is easy....


....but only on the 7th or 8th attempt!

:D
 
This will force Microsoft to come up with a immediate release after Vista to include the new features. Within 4 years, the next update to Vista will include some of the new Leopard features. :p
 
BornAgainMac said:
This will force Microsoft to come up with a immediate release after Vista to include the new features. Within 4 years, the next update to Vista will include some of the new Leopard features. :p
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Yep, with the ability to boot Mac OS X on a PC!! (best.feature.ever.for.Windows.) :D
 
I don't think we'll see BootCamp integrated to run XP in OS X just yet. Remember, BootCamp is currently in beta, not alpha. Beta stage usually indicates that major development is basically completed, it just has some bugs that need to be worked out.
 
Leopard dreams...

Here's hoping for a resolution independant UI, which I think is a must, since OS X is really trailing behind here.

And my biggest dream-come-true would be an X11-style graphical login mechanism for Aqua/Quartz... a man can dream, a man can dream
 
We already knew 10.5 was to be previewed at WWDC..

.. and I doubt it will be released at that point - still 6 months to go.
 
knackroller said:
I feel that Apple should not be charging us for all these "new" OSX. Honestly, comparing my wife's OSX 10.2 and my OSX 10.4, there isn't THAT much of a difference, mainly Dashboard, and Finder, which isn't really worth the price of two upgrades (10.3, 10.4). Maybe from 10.1 to 10.5 that might be worth the price of ONE upgrade. What do you people think?
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So... you think Apple should spend billions on creating new OSes and give it away!???!!

There were vast amounts of differences between 10.2 and 10.4.. many things were 'under the hood' that uses would not see - Core Images, Core Data, Core Graphics, upgraded kernel etc, not to mention improved stability, performance, XCode and other visible features.
 
knackroller said:
I feel that Apple should not be charging us for all these "new" OSX. Honestly, comparing my wife's OSX 10.2 and my OSX 10.4, there isn't THAT much of a difference, mainly Dashboard, and Finder, which isn't really worth the price of two upgrades (10.3, 10.4). Maybe from 10.1 to 10.5 that might be worth the price of ONE upgrade. What do you people think?
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Every time this argument comes up an angel looses her wings and a kitten dies. :eek:
Seriously though, many people don't find the need to upgrade every single time there is a new version of Mac OS X and that is perfectly normal. A few of my Mac using friends actually "upgrade" their OS only when they buy a new computer and they are doing fine. In short you can use only odd or only even versions with no trouble and, considering that the gap between the release of Jaguar and the release of Tiger was about two and a half years and the gap between Panther and Leopard will most likely be more than three years, $130 doesn't look that steep.

The problem is that usually people do want the functionality, but don't want to pay for it because, um... well, beacuse they don't want to. And on what grounds is this I have absolutely no idea.
 
knackroller said:
I feel that Apple should not be charging us for all these "new" OSX. Honestly, comparing my wife's OSX 10.2 and my OSX 10.4, there isn't THAT much of a difference, mainly Dashboard, and Finder, which isn't really worth the price of two upgrades (10.3, 10.4). Maybe from 10.1 to 10.5 that might be worth the price of ONE upgrade. What do you people think?
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I think knackroller is just jeleous he can't afford every upgrade. XD
 
CellarDoor said:
maybe safari 3.0 will feature draggable tabs, and easy keyboard navigation for tabs, like Adium has. I'm so used to that UI that when I go into safari I start using the same key commands. it's a real problem. I don't know what I'm going to do. :(
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tab navigation by keyboard is easy. i use it all the time.
 
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