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Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), iLife '07, and iWork '07 in March?

Creative Suite 3?

donlphi said:
Yeah... but my software probably won't work with it until June, so there's to hoping.

Software that probably will not work instantaneously when 10.5 is installed:

Finale
Band In A Box
CUBASE
Pro Tools
Quark Express
etc. etc.
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Anyone heard any more about CS3 release date?
Any Leopard testers comment on CS2 performance? Any better than in Tiger?

Thanks.
 
Those who don't have access to beta's shouldn't raise false alarm. There are HUGE bugs that still exist, going all the way to the kernel. I think Apple means it....they have yet to speed up their beta program...

just look at the frequency: and without breaking any NDA's its all available on the internet right now...they are on a monthly release schedule....that is not what will happen one month before it goes GM. Sorry.
 
The argument for June

I really want Leopard in March, but June seems like a possibility, because:
  1. As others mention, it just doesn't seem ready.
  2. It is scheduled for Spring, which starts at the end of March, and goes through... June.
  3. The Developer's conference is set for June
  4. The iPhone release is scheduled for June.
OTOH, I can see them trying to separate the iPhone, DevCon, and Leopard so that the various announcements don't crowd each other out...
 
What is the grace period for buying a new Mac and getting Leopard and iLife? Is it 30 days? Is there even a grace period?

I JUST bought my new 24" today. No matter what, I couldn't wait. If I end up having to pay for Leopard, so be it. I needed the computer.
 
I hate having money sitting in my account waiting for stuff. I want to spend that money on a new MBP and Leopard and iLife'07. I want upgrades. I want them now. The Mac area of Apple has been significantly lacking recently. It needs a huge boost. I'm tired of hearing about iPhone and iPod. I want new comps and new software.
 
zblaxberg said:
die!

vista is a piece of crap that was stolen from apple...I'm a switcher and I'm never going back to windows
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Vista is not a piece of crap i personally feel like vista is a good operating system.

But theres something about windows that i ant get rid of..
i like mac os x but i just cant shake windows.

Unlike the millions of people i feel like windows operating systems are good i have nevere had any issues with nothing on a xp machine. Maybe i am lucky or the computer gods watch over me.
 
Time Value of Money

For those talking about having to wait for releases before buying, can I introduce you to the Time Value of Money?

If you need a computer now and don't buy it, how much value are you losing over the period of time where you don't have that computer? Is that time worth more than $130 to you? If so, then... stop waiting!

Just a suggestion. :D
 
You guys watch. Once these "secret" leopard features are announced, seeds of the OS will become much more frequent. I think they should do a public beta release. That would ensure more bugs get fixed by release.
 
ksgant said:
What is the grace period for buying a new Mac and getting Leopard and iLife? Is it 30 days? Is there even a grace period?

I JUST bought my new 24" today. No matter what, I couldn't wait. If I end up having to pay for Leopard, so be it. I needed the computer.
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I think the grace period starts shortly after the release date is announced. Doesn't he usually say all Macs purchased between now and the release date will be eligible for a free upgrade?

I just hope the upgrade process works, because I won't be able to rely on Time Machine until after it installs!
 
Toe said:
For those talking about having to wait for releases before buying, can I introduce you to the Time Value of Money?

If you need a computer now and don't buy it, how much value are you losing over the period of time where you don't have that computer? Is that time worth more than $130 to you? If so, then... stop waiting!

Just a suggestion. :D
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But how much are you gaining from having a few thousand in your account for a few extra months. Interest on that can make a few extra bucks. Make sure you weigh all aspects.
 
CANEHDN said:
I hate having money sitting in my account waiting for stuff. I want to spend that money on a new MBP and Leopard and iLife'07. I want upgrades. I want them now. The Mac area of Apple has been significantly lacking recently. It needs a huge boost. I'm tired of hearing about iPhone and iPod. I want new comps and new software.
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you are the PERFECT customer all sales people dream of:D
 
Secret features may not need beta testing

CANEHDN said:
You guys watch. Once these "secret" leopard features are announced, seeds of the OS will become much more frequent. I think they should do a public beta release. That would ensure more bugs get fixed by release.
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It is possible that the secret features won't be beta tested at all. They could be relatively self-contained applications that don't need a broad testing audience.

Apple releases a lot of software without any testing, most notably every version of every application in iLife and iWork, not to mention smaller apps like AirPort stuff, QuickTime, and so on.
 
Toe said:
how much value are you losing over the period of time where you don't have that computer? Is that time worth more than $130 to you? If so, then... stop waiting!

Just a suggestion. :D
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We're still missing the "period of time" part of the equation, though. Once we get a release date we can figure all that out.
 
uNext said:
Vista is not a piece of crap i personally feel like vista is a good operating system.

But theres something about windows that i ant get rid of..
i like mac os x but i just cant shake windows.

Unlike the millions of people i feel like windows operating systems are good i have nevere had any issues with nothing on a xp machine. Maybe i am lucky or the computer gods watch over me.
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Maybe it's all those improvements they made for NASA. Or the extra money Apple is giving them to say the word Vista. They're all correct answers.

Anywho, maybe we'll hear about the Top Secret Features in March, but you would think if it was coming that fast we would already know everything so Apple could test all their stuff with developers. They just can't not test this new stuff. Maybe not as late as June, but I definitely don't see it in March.
 
CANEHDN said:
Exactly. Apple please give us dates. That is all we ask, at this point in time. Just some dates.
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I don't think Apple is going to give me a date. I think being an Apple geek makes it harder to get dates, actually.

But maybe it's a secret new feature in iLife.
 
I disagree with Egomaniac.

Comparing the ADC seeds of 10.5 to those of 10.4 and 10.3, Apple has definitely put a lid on some features and functionality in the builds released into the wilds of the ADC community. I'll agree that what been released to us in the ADC isn't ready for prime-time, but I don't think that we're privy to the full-blown builds, anymore.

If that's the case, Apple isn't to blame -- it's the morons who signed an NDA and then nonetheless shared the development seeds on every p2p network they could think of.

Personally, I can't wait for the GM to hit the ADC site -- I'd very much like to run iCal sharing and the group wiki on my production server, but there's no way I'm trusting it to developer builds.

(And I'd like to upgrade to a rev2 MacPro.)
 
Toe said:
Well... who do you think gets more dates? Mac Guy or PC Guy?

:D
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Heh, one day Mac guy is going to be at the g hole and find the voice on the other side to be vaguely familiar, oh wait! It's PC!

Thus giving Mac its first virus.
 
ThinkSecret is CLUELESS

This will never happen by March. Just look at the most recent builds (posted by the rumor sites), they are defintely not feature complete yet.

My guess.... Leopard will be showcased the FIRST DAY of WWDC. And go on sale TUESDAY at 12:00AM, Jun 12th. That is still spring....

Anything released before then will be a buggy piece of junk. Wait till June, you'll be happy you did.
 
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