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Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), iLife '07, and iWork '07 in March?

tcmcam said:
This will never happen by March. Just look at the most recent builds (posted by the rumor sites), they are defintely not feature complete yet.

My guess.... Leopard will be showcased the FIRST DAY of WWDC. And go on sale TUESDAY at 12:00AM, Jun 12th. That is still spring....

Anything released before then will be a buggy piece of junk. Wait till June, you'll be happy you did.
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That doesnt even make sence...What would come before leopard that would be a buggy piece of junk. What has mac ever released (besides puma) that was extermely buggy?
 
I agree with the others that say there is no way a March release is a possibility due to current state of the Leopard builds. The current seed is extremely buggy, crashes all the time, and it's clear massive areas of applications are unfinished (try using the Preview app or the new Quick Look feature and you'll see this is the case).

Furthermore, there is NOTHING in them that hasn't been discussed by Steve at the last WWDC so where are the ten secret features?

Given that great portions of what's in there just now has to be completed, there's tons of bugs left AND the "top secret" features have still to be put in and be tested, I'm concerned Leopard won't be ready by July... nevermind in a month's time!
 
maverick808 said:
I agree with the others that say there is no way a March release is a possibility due to current state of the Leopard builds. The current seed is extremely buggy, crashes all the time, and it's clear massive areas of applications are unfinished (try using the Preview app or the new Quick Look feature and you'll see this is the case).

Furthermore, there is NOTHING in them that hasn't been discussed by Steve at the last WWDC so where are the ten secret features?

Given that great portions of what's in there just now has to be completed, there's tons of bugs left AND the "top secret" features have still to be put in and be tested, I'm concerned Leopard won't be ready by July... nevermind in a month's time!
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I highly doubt a July release, im not saying March makes sence, but July is pushing it. I would say maybe May at the latest
 
Toe said:
I didn't mean to say that Leopard would exclude PPC... only that Tiger is at its heart a PPC OS, and Leopard will be fundamentally an Intel OS.

Either will run on either, but I fully expect Leopard to be significantly more optimized for Intel than Tiger could hope to be. PPC is now a legacy platform, and all development is primarily focused on Intel.
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you are mistaken. the intel/ppc thing isn't a port, they are concurrent builds.

OS X is built on what was NeXT's OpenStep OS. OpenStep started out on motorola 68000 processors just like the original mac, but when sales of the NeXT cube were slow the OS was ported to intel's x86, sun's sparc, and hp's RISC (different from AIM's version, AIM being apple, ibm and motorola). OpenStep never officially supported AIM's PPC chip implementation. the time from purchasing NeXT to releasing OS X 10.0 was spent in large part porting the code to PPC.

this isn't like the 68000 to PPC switch, or the classic to OS X switch and PPC is not a legacy system. the first two transitions were clearly leaving dead-end technology behind. this switch is far more transient, should IBM come up with a paradigm shift in processor development, apple doesn't even need to flip a switch anymore, OS X will just work*. developers who are dropping PPC support could find themselves back in this situation 5-10 years down the road. i don't think it's likely, but the adaptability of OS X and the closed software/hardware platform make it very easy for apple to do if they wanted.


* that's a gross oversimplification, but it'll be far easier for apple to release a PPC system 5 years from now, than it would be for microsoft to release a PPC version of vista.
 
End of March to April gives enough time for manufacturing + marketing

This years April fools day is going to be nailbiting by the sound of it
 
Nothing but speculation. I'm not even going to try to get myself excited incase of nothing being released at all.
 
Izzy said:
Yeah, I think they are probably Leopard dependant otherwise they would have had the 2007 versions out by now.
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Apple is not going to close out the people that dont upgrade to Leopard. Yes there are going to be some leopard integration that only can be used with Leopard, but tiger users will still be able to use iLife and iWork as well.
 
Leopard

Isn't the current build of Leopard 'buggy' , because there are secret parts MISSING? Once these are in (whatever they are), the whole thing comes together. IE, perhaps the builds you all receive are missing chunks of code, specifically for the 'secret features', which otherwise would end up leaked all over the place?
I am looking forward to Leopard, but I don't care when it's released much, March or June, just as long as Apple makes sure that when it is released, it'd better be ready and virtually bug free!
 
k2k koos said:
Isn't the current build of Leopard 'buggy' , because there are secret parts MISSING? Once these are in (whatever they are), the whole thing comes together. IE, perhaps the builds you all receive are missing chunks of code, specifically for the 'secret features', which otherwise would end up leaked all over the place?
I am looking forward to Leopard, but I don't care when it's released much, March or June, just as long as Apple makes sure that when it is released, it'd better be ready and virtually bug free!
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agreed but sooner rather then later would be better :) :apple:
 
thejadedmonkey said:
so do I get my MacBook now, or try to coax this piece of crap laptop to keep going for another few months..
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Just keep chugging.

It is always better to get the latest and newest iLife/ OS X for free with your machine than pay 100s of dollars to Apple later on...
 
Hls811 said:
March 6th - New Guns N' Roses CD (Yes I'm a believer!)


March may be my new favorite month.
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Man, I hope we get Chinese Democracy, but I doubt it will happen. Did you read Axl's open letter to the fans? It takes six weeks to promote an album, and so far there's been no promotion. Maybe this summer...or sometime in the next five to ten years we'll get it. Sorry to rain on your parade!
:p



Leopard is gonna rock!! :D :D :apple:
 
ZFS = The current seed...

as you said, has a non-working implementation. The final release will not have it at all.

Egomaniac said:
Not to rain on everyone's parade, but I'm highly skeptical. I've got the latest seed of Leopard, and it's still not even close to ready for prime time.

That's not in any way an insult to Apple or Leopard -- it's a beta, it's not supposed to be ready for prime time yet. It's going to be a fantastic OS when it's done, but I just don't see it getting patched up to release quality in the next month. I'm under NDA, so I can't go down the list of all the things that aren't working yet, but trust me there are some pretty simple and fundamental things which just don't work at all.

Also, we're still in the dark on the "top secret" features. One of them is assuredly ZFS -- I suppose I can talk about this since it has been so thoroughly leaked -- but that doesn't work at all right now either. The hooks are obviously there, you can attempt to format a volume as ZFS, but after scores of attempts I have never managed to create a working ZFS volume. In the current seed it doesn't even try, it just errors out immediately.

Now, consider a March release which includes ZFS. Even if they finished the ZFS implementation today, they've got four or five weeks to test it. ZFS is an incredibly complex beast and errors in the implementation would be catastrophic -- at worst, complete loss of all of your data. And when do developers get their hands on it? The current seed has a non-working implementation. If Apple is going to give us the chance to make sure that the new filesystem doesn't cause any compatibility problems between now and March, we're going to need to see a new seed with ZFS support really soon.

Then, what about resolution independence? We know it's coming, Quartz Debug lets us test it, but there is no "real" UI in the system to access it and many of Apple's own applications don't work properly with it. As a programmer myself, I'll be highly impressed if they get resolution independence working properly in the next few weeks.

A March release is possible -- I would be thrilled to have to eat my words on this -- but I am skeptical.
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Izzy said:
Yeah, I think they are probably Leopard dependant otherwise they would have had the 2007 versions out by now.
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I wonder if 10.4.9 is going to introduce a new framework back ported from Leopard? If iLife and iWork 07 both depend on this framework, then this may explain the delay.

They did something similar with Webkit and 10.2.8 (and the limited release 10.2.7), hence the reason why 10.2.8 is the minimum Mac OS revision for some applications, notably iTunes prior to version 7.

Perhaps the same will happen here?
 
dashiel said:
this switch is far more transient, should IBM come up with a paradigm shift in processor development, apple doesn't even need to flip a switch anymore, OS X will just work*.
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Nonetheless, there are real differences between the PPC and the Core Duo. The first example that comes to mind is that, AFAIK, the latter does not have an AltiVec engine.

As Apple gets further away from the PPC, when they try to optimize performance, they're going to be looking to the particular accelerations available in the Intel chips, not in the PPCs.
 
I'd rather have a solidly working Leopard, than an early one.
I remember the egg on Apples face with the big-splash release of Jaguar...
 
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