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Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), iLife '07, and iWork '07 in March?

welshandrew said:
A few weeks to get the final version of Leopard out to all the developers to test and then to press the DVD's, start the marketing hype, etc.

Isn't March a bit too soon?
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I was thinking that too, but then I did the math... It could be released 7 weeks from today and still be just barely in March. So let's say they give the "final" version to developers in a week, give them 3 weeks to test it, and then ramp up the DVD press and the media hype for 3 weeks. That works, doesn't it?

That said, I do agree with the post that said better that Apple takes its time and avoids the glaring bugs that have marked 10.3.0 and 10.4.0. If they can get a fairly bug-free version out in March then GREAT, but I really hope they don't rush it to market.
 
why

why would they release dev seeds at all if there were huge chunks of code "hidden" from testers. From what I hear, there isn't much new there to test...
 
it was extremely buggy....i think it was Puma, it was one of the early releases of OSX
 
Haha, when I read my MR widget it said "Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), iLife 07, and i..."

I thought it was released today... nearly had a heart attack! Keep the rumors comin.
 
What's Apple's incentive to release Leopard early?

Consensus among the PC magazines when talking about the release of Vista is that Tiger is already better than Vista in most regards.

Other than a nice boost of money (though not massive compared to iPods, music, and Macs), what incentive does Apple have to release Leopard early?

They have until June 30 to get the iPhone version finalized. And they have until June 20 to release Leopard.

The only incentive to beat the June 20 deadline for Leopard is to give more time for it to be in the spotlight before the iPhone comes out. So June 2 sounds like the best day to release Leopard.

Now it does make perfect sense that they could be releasing only iLife and iWork in March. Those are overdue already. There's no way those won't run on Tiger, so the only thing stopping them from releasing those is that they don't have any beta program.
 
MacsRgr8 said:
I am with Egomaniac

There are a couple of things that worry me if March is the release date:

- the latest 9A343 seed is nowhere near stable
- developer builds usually become more frequently available as the GM comes nearer
- where the **** are the top-secret features Jobs was bragging about @ the WWDC last year.

Unless there is some "top-secret enabled" version of Leopard which has never been seeded to the developers which is far more reliable, I can't see this OS being released next month.

iLife '07 and iWork '07 I can see happening.
It wouldn't surprise me to see some "media event" where the launch of iLife and iWork '07 are celebrated, where a new dev build of the "top-secret enabled" Leopard is demoed, where the real release date will be called.
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Toe said:
It is possible that the secret features won't be beta tested at all. They could be relatively self-contained applications that don't need a broad testing audience.

Apple releases a lot of software without any testing, most notably every version of every application in iLife and iWork, not to mention smaller apps like AirPort stuff, QuickTime, and so on.
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mustang_dvs said:
I disagree with Egomaniac.

Comparing the ADC seeds of 10.5 to those of 10.4 and 10.3, Apple has definitely put a lid on some features and functionality in the builds released into the wilds of the ADC community. I'll agree that what been released to us in the ADC isn't ready for prime-time, but I don't think that we're privy to the full-blown builds, anymore.

If that's the case, Apple isn't to blame -- it's the morons who signed an NDA and then nonetheless shared the development seeds on every p2p network they could think of.

Personally, I can't wait for the GM to hit the ADC site -- I'd very much like to run iCal sharing and the group wiki on my production server, but there's no way I'm trusting it to developer builds.

(And I'd like to upgrade to a rev2 MacPro.)
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There are "super secret" features of Leopard that have not been seeded to Developers because they don't need testing.I have a very good idea what they are but can't "speculate" due to the NDA.
I've been saying April for a long time.And as soon as Devs get a copy with the "secret" stuff in the seed it will be all over the internet.This is a major reason for not releasing the internal seed to Developers.I've seen it happen before and will probably happen again.
If what is coming in Leopard is what I think we will be blown away and Vista will sink.
 
Doesn't Think Secret have a pretty bad track record of late? a couple weeks ago they told us we were getting new displays instead of iPod shuffles. :confused:

I'm not buying a new Mac until either:

A) Leopard comes with it

or

B) CreateSuite 3 & Studio 9 apps are available in Universal Binaries
 
Peace said:
There are "super secret" features of Leopard that have not been seeded to Developers because they don't need testing.I have a very good idea what they are but can't "speculate" due to the NDA.
I've been saying April for a long time.And as soon as Devs get a copy with the "secret" stuff in the seed it will be all over the internet.This is a major reason for not releasing the internal seed to Developers.I've seen it happen before and will probably happen again.
If what is coming in Leopard is what I think we will be blown away and Vista will sink.
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i agree...as of now leopard is very similar to vista..besides the UI of time machine, vista has shadow copy which will prove to be the same thing (maybe not as easy, or glory jas apple likes to make things though) apple is holding out on ilife and iwork because they WILL rely on leopard...personally i think the dev releases are just a joke to make us think there's been progress made (when really every release has basically been the same) also didn't steve mention something about leopard being the "all inclusive" os, which leads me to think that ilife will come with leopard
 
sexyfoolxx said:
i agree...as of now leopard is very similar to vista..besides the UI of time machine, vista has shadow copy which will prove to be the same thing (maybe not as easy, or glory jas apple likes to make things though) apple is holding out on ilife and iwork because they WILL rely on leopard...personally i think the dev releases are just a joke to make us think there's been progress made (when really every release has basically been the same) also didn't steve mention something about leopard being the "all inclusive" os, which leads me to think that ilife will come with leopard
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dev copies are put out to get devs used to the new OS and start developing for the OS. Its not just a joke, but there not gunna give them everything, just enough to get them started and help find some of the more common flaws.
 
k2k koos said:
Isn't the current build of Leopard 'buggy' , because there are secret parts MISSING? Once these are in (whatever they are), the whole thing comes together. IE, perhaps the builds you all receive are missing chunks of code, specifically for the 'secret features', which otherwise would end up leaked all over the place?
I am looking forward to Leopard, but I don't care when it's released much, March or June, just as long as Apple makes sure that when it is released, it'd better be ready and virtually bug free!
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I'm sure that's it.
 
Telp said:
dev copies are put out to get devs used to the new OS and start developing for the OS. Its not just a joke, but there not gunna give them everything, just enough to get them started and help find some of the more common flaws.
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the only things that have changed are 64bit, core animation, and independent resolution (which hasn't been working from day 1)...or am i way off?
 
sexyfoolxx said:
the only things that have changed are 64bit, core animation, and independent resolution (which hasn't been working from day 1)...or am i way off?
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thats all important stuff in programming. But also devs find a lot of the bugs
 
Until the Golden Master rumors hit, I'm not putting any stock in what TS reports. I see too many of these, xxx product is coming along faster than thought, doesn't really mean much until something more concrete is stated.

I just hope 10.5 will still be supported on the current G3 platforms (so CPU upgraded Mac's can still run it at decent speeds) that can run Tiger now. I'm sure you'll be able to use Xpostfacto to unofficially get 10.5 on those unsupported G3's however.
 
I visited the local Apple store on Tuesday this week, and the sales guy told me that he was informed that leopard would be released in March...

I dunno if we can trust him, though :D
 
iSex ?

Any truth to the rumor that one of the new "secret" Leopard features is iSex '07 ? A little virtual lov'n would push people to upgrade. I can't wait see the new Apple vs PC ads on that one.:D

Tiki
 
I am not a regular visitor of think secret. I visited tonight and had a good poke about and one thing I did find is that comments posted from think secret regulars dont think TH is very credible. I also read a lot of their past post/news/rumours and a lot of them a very wrong.

I hope this rumour to be true but I also know that apple will not be rushed into this and the rumours to date do not seem to lead up to a March Release. We still have not seen 10.4.9.
 
Peace said:
There are "super secret" features of Leopard that have not been seeded to Developers because they don't need testing.I have a very good idea what they are but can't "speculate" due to the NDA.
I've been saying April for a long time.And as soon as Devs get a copy with the "secret" stuff in the seed it will be all over the internet.This is a major reason for not releasing the internal seed to Developers.I've seen it happen before and will probably happen again.
If what is coming in Leopard is what I think we will be blown away and Vista will sink.
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Please elaborate. Please, please elaborate!

If it's true that

1) There are top secret features AND
2) 10.5 is just a month or two away from release

Then it follows that the secret features won't need developer testing, and are more of an application than a OS feature. And what application would that be?

I don't know, but I daydream about it being a MS-killer. Windows-virtualization built in?
 
FreeState said:
No they have not. However one of the posters in the forums has, she was spot on about the iPhone (in detail) weeks before it was announced. She also said the release date for OSX, what TS is now reporting. I think TS may have gotten this right because of the poster in the forums that obviously has a great source. (I looked for the post but it appears to be gone now... sorry)
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All the rumors seems to be coming together for the same time period, there maybe a diff of 2 weeks but they all around the same time.

I like the current UI, I hope the changes to the UI windows, and buttons are not too radicall.
 
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