WHo writes this tosh......PA Semi designed Power based processors, a much more likely reason Apple purchased them is because they ditched that architecture and left them in the cold after agreeing a deal.
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WHo writes this tosh......PA Semi designed Power based processors, a much more likely reason Apple purchased them is because they ditched that architecture and left them in the cold after agreeing a deal.
people arent happy with them? believe what you wanna believe. why do you think so many ppl are mucking around with this in the first place??
Every survey I have heard has people who have bought them end up being disappointed with them because they are too limited. In other words, it was the cheap price that lured them in and they were disappointed. Apple has referred to these surveys too in their analyst calls.
And neither can you cite legislation that states otherwise. You probably don't even realize that an EULA is only a contract, and certainly not law. It's also quite easy to bypass the EULA, in which case it does not apply.
Go and do your research on the history of Compaq, then rethink your position.
Guess what buddy, you made the original assertion, you got to back it up, not me. The onus is on you to provide facts when you make absolute statements. If you cannot - admit it. Don't try to redirect things.
ETA: And for the record, I am very familiar with the history of Compaq. Their actions were 100% illegal since they reversed engineered the BIOS, used no IBM code, and legally licensed Microsoft’s intellectual property. How does this have anything to blatantly violating Apples licensing terms and using code that is owned by Apple and redistributing it without consent?
You’re bluffing and I’m calling you. You have nothing.
Please, do enlighten us poor ignorant Mac users. Which of IBM's EULA/SLA did Compaq break by reverse engineering the BIOS and then by licensing MS-DOS from Microsoft ?
... Doing so in a clean room environment and decided by what court case might I add?!
********. I've bought two Macs second hand, one failed within a week, the other took a couple of months. Well designed is a matter of taste, well built is simply a quality projected on to the product by someone who wishes to justify to himself the extra he paid.
All your arguments there are subjective and can't be measured. You aren't debating facts, just your own perceptions. A 400MHz difference might be hard to see but what about a quad core processor? In any case benchmarks would soon show the difference. Which brings me back to the point that a PC user will choose based on facts and a Mac user will choose based on perception.
You also managed to highlight another point, the ridiculous second hand prices. iBooks and Powerbooks are only just functional as modern machines yet they sell second hand at the same price as more functional netbooks. On top of that they are more likely to develop faults due to their age, and parts cost almost as much as the whole machine. The whole second hand Mac market is unscrupulous and based entirely on Apple's inflated reputation.
Your ZOMG NEED THAT SPEED argument can be applied effectively to Apple's product line. Many Mac users will be buying Macbooks or Macbook Pros and barely touching on their usefulness. In fact they would be better off getting a netbook which covers 90% of a typical users work.
Let's see. I'm a PC user. Dell sells this thing called a Studio Hybrid. Wow, it's as small as a Mac Mini. The Mini is 649$ for :
# 2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - 3 MB cache
# 2GB memory
# 160GB hard drive1
# 8x double-layer SuperDrive
# NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
# Wireless-N networking
# Gigabit Ethernet
Now, I know Dell has got to be cheaper than that! PCs are always cheapers than overpriced Macs. Let's see what I can get my new Studio Hybrid for! Ah ah! it starts at 499$... no wait, it's underpowered at that price.
- Upgrade the CPU to a T8100 2.1 ghz, 3 MB cache, 800 mhz FSB. Comparable to the mini now.
- Bump up Vista to Home Premium...
- only 1 GB ram ? Gotta have 2 like the Mini...
- Need some Wireless-N too, gotta add that.
- What do you mean I'm stuck with Intel graphics ?
Wait a minute, this thing is still underpowered compared to the Mini and I'm now looking at 898$ for it... WTF is this ? I thought Macs were overpriced.
So much for facts... At least as far as the Mac Mini is concerned, there's some pretty good performance on the dollar there.
Not to interupt, but don't the new macs have a 1066 mhz FSB? (I can't remember if thats the exact number)Let's see. I'm a PC user. Dell sells this thing called a Studio Hybrid. Wow, it's as small as a Mac Mini. The Mini is 649$ for :
# 2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - 3 MB cache
# 2GB memory
# 160GB hard drive1
# 8x double-layer SuperDrive
# NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
# Wireless-N networking
# Gigabit Ethernet
Now, I know Dell has got to be cheaper than that! PCs are always cheapers than overpriced Macs. Let's see what I can get my new Studio Hybrid for! Ah ah! it starts at 499$... no wait, it's underpowered at that price.
- Upgrade the CPU to a T8100 2.1 ghz, 3 MB cache, 800 mhz FSB. Comparable to the mini now.
- Bump up Vista to Home Premium...
- only 1 GB ram ? Gotta have 2 like the Mini...
- Need some Wireless-N too, gotta add that.
- What do you mean I'm stuck with Intel graphics ?
Wait a minute, this thing is still underpowered compared to the Mini and I'm now looking at 898$ for it... WTF is this ? I thought Macs were overpriced.
So much for facts... At least as far as the Mac Mini is concerned, there's some pretty good performance on the dollar there.
Hey Knight did you see the Zino? Thats the Mac Mini competitor not the studio Hybrid. I specced on of those compared to a Mac Mini and it came in £200 cheaper. Whats more I could add Blu Ray to it.
Yes, but that's not an option on the Studio Hybrid. Because you know... PCs have ... faster... hardware than Macs ... for less cash was it ?
I'm confused now. Is the Mac Mini not overpriced ?
You're comparing an Atom based computer to a Core2Duo one ? With a straight face ?
What competition does the Zino offer the Mac Mini ? It's grossly underpowered... no wonder it's cheaper.
LOL, riiiiiiiiight. All those smart PC users buying because they know their specs.
Fact is, the majority of computer consumers couldn't tell you the difference between a GPU and a toaster oven.
To suggest that PC buyers are somehow much more technologically inclined amazing. Fact is, MOST consumers (PC or MAC) don't know **** about computers.
You're comparing an Atom based computer to a Core2Duo one ? With a straight face ?
What competition does the Zino offer the Mac Mini ? It's grossly underpowered... no wonder it's cheaper.
Doesn't it use the ION platform? Thats great for playback, but your point about the CPU is still valid.
Yes, but that's not an option on the Studio Hybrid. Because you know... PCs have ... faster... hardware than Macs ... for less cash was it ?
I'm confused now. Is the Mac Mini not overpriced ?
You're comparing an Atom based computer to a Core2Duo one ? With a straight face ?
What competition does the Zino offer the Mac Mini ? It's grossly underpowered... no wonder it's cheaper.
Its not atom its AMD
According to this page, it has a Intel GMA 950 as a video card :
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/hom...o/pd.aspx?refid=inspiron-zino&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1
Seriously, I still think he was joking when he said the Zino competes with the Mini, and the Studio Hybrid doesn't. I'm seriously wondering how's the 1080p Blu-Ray decoding like on that Atom with a GMA 950...
Its not atom its AMD
See above link. I'm pretty sure Dell's own site says :
Processors and Chipset
Intel® AtomTM 230
10.6.2 Patched Kernel
Already patched and working for many.
http://www.aspireoneuser.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18386&p=106923#p106923
Already patched and working for many.
http://www.aspireoneuser.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18386&p=106923#p106923
Sorry I missed the fact that the basic one is Atom, the HD one is AMD with a Radeon 3200, and is upgradeable.
You also missed the fact this is using AMD's low power, barely faster than an Atom 230 Athlon CPU for your quoted UK 299$
The Core 2 Duo is about 3 times faster. The Radeon 3200 HD isn't much to write home about either.
So no, we're still not in Mac Mini territory. Better luck next time.
Heck, even the Athlon Neo X2 dual core doesn't put out half of the performance of a Core 2 Duo chip. Seriously... The Dell Studio Hybrid is the Mac Mini competitor. The Zino is just a netbook turned desktop USFF.
I wasn't too familiar with the Studio Hybrid so I went and specced one. Wireless N is standard, 3GB of RAM compared to the Mini's 2, a bigger hard drive, a choice of colours, it actually comes with a keyboard and mouse and a way to connect to a standard monitor. I admit the graphics are weak, but once you factor into the Mini the cost of a keyboard and mouse and a VGA adapter the Hybrid is again around £200 cheaper. The reason I don't see the Studio as the competitor is because the name to me suggest for offices and showrooms. The Mac mini seems more of a home device.
My Zino spec wasn't the bare minimum there either, it had a keyboard and mouse, a dual core athlon, a radeon 4330. The dual core athlon still isn't the same standard as a core 2 duo but it will be fine for the machine's intended function as a media centre.
A PC user has the flexibility to choose a PC to fit his needs at a suitable price. A Mac user is stuck with Apple's limited range and if that range doesn't meet his needs he usually has to pay more for functionality he doesn't need.
My Zino spec wasn't the bare minimum there either, it had a keyboard and mouse, a dual core athlon, a radeon 4330. The dual core athlon still isn't the same standard as a core 2 duo but it will be fine for the machine's intended function as a media centre.
A PC user has the flexibility to choose a PC to fit his needs at a suitable price. A Mac user is stuck with Apple's limited range and if that range doesn't meet his needs he usually has to pay more for functionality he doesn't need.