Mac OS X 10.6.2 Confirmed to Drop Support for Intel Atom Processors

[wildmac]

Fantastic. Did he read the licence agreement ? I assume he didn't even bought the bundle or upgrade from Leopard.

I cannot understand how someone tries to argue that doing the hackintosh is ok.

And I suppose you drive 55 all the time too.

Seriously, I can't tell which is more obnoxious..

1) Hackintoshers who feel violated

or

2) fanboys who want to tar-and-feather anyone who dares to "think different"

seriously.. Fanboys, the hackintoshers aren't hurting you, and hackintoshers, it's a hack. Fix your hack.

I have no problem with hackintoshers, but, I don't think they deserve anything either. And the fanboys need to step away from the cool-aid and remember a computer is just a tool, and that EULAs are some of the most vile legal documents on the planet.

 

[gnasher729]

People like you are so ignorant. Why do you assume that people who hackintosh steal the OS? My brother in-law wants to hackintosh his laptop, so he bought a copy of snow leopard straight from apple.

Your brother-in-law bought a copy of Snow Leopard that is licensed to upgrade Macintosh computers from Leopard to Snow Leopard. The price is calculated based on what the license allows you to do: It is set under the assumption that the purchaser has paid Apple lots of money for a Macintosh computer, and that the purchaser is upgrading a computer from Leopard to Snow Leopard, so the price is not for Snow Leopard itself, but for the difference between Leopard and Snow Leopard.

So what your brother-in-law is doing is a classical case of rationalising, nothing more. He is lucky that Apple changed MacOS X just to not work on an Atom processor; they could have changed it to return the IP address of every computer running MacOS X on an Atom processor back to Apple.

 

[pdjudd]

News flash, agreeing with my argument is not a news flash, especially when I stated things better than you did.

In other news, reading is FUN-damental!

Your quote seem to have implied implied that Apple makes money on just the OS, that is wrong. Judging by your post, I mis-interpreted your intent and that is my mistake. Apologies. However I would appreciate less snark in the future if you expect to be taken seriously in any conversation. That I do not appreciate.

 

[Macmel]

SIMPLE IDEA: It's the hardware not the software where Apple makes the money.

Apple sells software in order to give you a global different experience than the one you get with other systems. That does not make sense if you use their hardware but run Windows on it (only) or if you use their software on a PC.
It's easy: Apple doesn't get anything from you running OSX on a netbook. Even if you pay for it, the amount of money Apple gets from the OS is ridiculous. Same with the music: Apple wants you to buy the iPod, not the music (better if you buy it, but I'm sure they don't give a damn if you just download it as long as you listen to it on an iPod).
You are paying for the OS? They don't care, they don't want you to use OSX on a different platform, they want you to buy a Mac.
Have you seen the comercials: GET A MAC. I haven't seen the "GET-A-CRIPPLED-SYSTEM-AND-INSTALL-OSX-TO-RUN-IT-LIKE-CRAP-AND-UNSUPPORTED" comercial, have you?.
The question is not why the Atom is not supported anymore, but why it was supported in the first place.

 

[Kaibelf]

I wonder how many lines of code were used to 'support' Atom processors. It's too bad Apple feel they need to remove this.

As so many here have stated, it's a trivial number of people who Hackintosh their netbooks. What did Apple really stand to lose by leaving in Atom support?

Control over their product and property?

 

[likemyorbs]

I cannot understand how someone tries to argue that doing the hackintosh is ok.

I cannot understand why you're so personally annoyed by people who hackintosh. Stop being the morality police.

 

[wildmac]

Funny seeing all the "Hackintosh people buy OS X!" when I have 3 people around me running 10.6 on HP Minis (and with the kernel mod, running 10.6.2 to boot) and none of them bought a copy of OS X for their Netbook...

The hackintosh community is very small, and in that community, only a very small percentage actually buy OS X. Anyone saying otherwise is being disingenious...

Are the HP minis better than the Dells? I've been looking to get a hackintosh, but have been looking for a system with a better graphics chip.

 

[pdjudd]

Right, and did this brother-in-law buy the $29 "upgrade from Leopard" version of Snow Leopard or the Mac Box set for $169.

It doesn't matter what they bought. Both are upgrade licenses. Hackintosh usages do not involve any actual upgrading whatsoever.

 

[wildmac]

Your brother-in-law bought a copy of Snow Leopard that is licensed to upgrade Macintosh computers from Leopard to Snow Leopard. The price is calculated based on what the license allows you to do: It is set under the assumption that the purchaser has paid Apple lots of money for a Macintosh computer, and that the purchaser is upgrading a computer from Leopard to Snow Leopard, so the price is not for Snow Leopard itself, but for the difference between Leopard and Snow Leopard.

So what your brother-in-law is doing is a classical case of rationalising, nothing more. He is lucky that Apple changed MacOS X just to not work on an Atom processor; they could have changed it to return the IP address of every computer running MacOS X on an Atom processor back to Apple.

Somehow gnasher, your name is quite fitting, considering the gnashing of teeth you are doing over this..

Do you scream at everyone violating the speed limit too?

Really, I'm trying to understand the high-horse here..

 

[alphaod]

I think there's been quite a few sales of OSX to hackintoshers.

Apple's business model is making software to sell hardware.

 

[pdjudd]

I cannot understand why you're so personally annoyed by people who hackintosh. Stop being the morality police.

Software licensing abuses are an industry wide problem and everybody who buys software is effected at some level. What gives you any right to tell us to stop being morality police. That's akin to a counterfeiter trying to say "Don't judge me for what I did! I didn't hurt any of you directly! Who are you to judge!"

 

[wildmac]

SIMPLE IDEA: It's the hardware not the software where Apple makes the money.

Apple sells software in order to give you a global different experience than the one you get with other systems. That does not make sense if you use their hardware but run Windows on it (only) or if you use their software on a PC.
It's easy: Apple doesn't get anything from you running OSX on a netbook. Even if you pay for it, the amount of money Apple gets from the OS is ridiculous. Same with the music: Apple wants you to buy the iPod, not the music (better if you buy it, but I'm sure they don't give a damn if you just download it as long as you listen to it on an iPod).
You are paying for the OS? They don't care, they don't want you to use OSX on a different platform, they want you to buy a Mac.
Have you seen the comercials: GET A MAC. I haven't seen the "GET-A-CRIPPLED-SYSTEM-AND-INSTALL-OSX-TO-RUN-IT-LIKE-CRAP-AND-UNSUPPORTED" comercial, have you?.
The question is not why the Atom is not supported anymore, but why it was supported in the first place.

It was supported because the chip was in a list of processors when they added chips for intel compatibility. It got dropped off, along with some others.

I would bet at least 1/2 of the hackintoshers own a real Mac.

But really, who cares? If they didn't own a Mac before, they were not likely to go out and buy one anyway.

It just doesn't matter.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

Funny seeing all the "Hackintosh people buy OS X!" when I have 3 people around me running 10.6 on HP Minis (and with the kernel mod, running 10.6.2 to boot) and none of them bought a copy of OS X for their Netbook...

The hackintosh community is very small, and in that community, only a very small percentage actually buy OS X. Anyone saying otherwise is being disingenious...

Because Mac users never pirate software

 

[likemyorbs]

Software licensing abuses are an industry wide problem and everybody who buys software is effected at some level. What gives you any right to tell us to stop being morality police. That's akin to a counterfeiter trying to say "Don't judge me for what I did! I didn't hurt any of you directly! Who are you to judge!"

That's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard in my life. You can't compare installing snow leopard on non apple hardware to money counterfeiting. it's not even in the same ball park. Do people running mac on their pc's in their basements have any effect on the world whatsoever? people counterfeiting money are stealing money. you make no sense...

 

[wildmac]

Software licensing abuses are an industry wide problem and everybody who buys software is effected at some level. What gives you any right to tell us to stop being morality police. That's akin to a counterfeiter trying to say "Don't judge me for what I did! I didn't hurt any of you directly! Who are you to judge!"

OS abuse and application software are a different game here. But you are making a different argument.

Violating a EULA is an entirely different matter than outright stealing the software.

 

[kate-willbury]

lol at this thread.

my hackintosh is about 3x better than my real macbook pro. the sad fact is that i can actually build a better mac machine for much less then to buy one from apple.

i think mac fanboys are just jealous they don't have the same choice as we do

i bought the 9.95 SL and have installed it on 5 different computers (3 macs, 2 hackintoshes). lol at people who actually get mad about this?!!?

meh not a huge deal for me. i boot into windows 7 much more often then SL anyway.

 

[flopticalcube]

No big deal to me. Windows 7 runs a treat on my netbook but netbooks are far too downmarket for Apple so maybe they just don't want the brand "sullied" by association with anything netbook-like. Also, they probably have something waiting in the wings (10" touch pad) that will compete with the market segment but not use Atom.

 

[nkawtg72]

The more people use Mac OSX the more unsecure it will become - pragmatically.

Everything has its time - Hackintoshs time will be over soon. Everyone knew this can happen but a new path will become clear. Maybe, if OSX gets common hackers will have fun with it. Its relatively security will be over then.

yay!!!! another sighting of the "Hackers care about Market Share" myth!!!!!!

dear lord, please take this somewhere else, it's stinking up the room. everyone with any brains at all knows that Macs had tens of thousands of viruses and security issues back in the Mac OS 9 and previous days. apple had no where near the market share or attention back then that this argument suggests is needed to attract hackers, etc.

simply put, OS X is solid both in security and stability.


OT now. as cool as i think the whole netbook macs are, i have no love loss over this turn of events. if you ask me, i think owners of PowerPC macs have a whole lot more room to complain that their machines are forever stuck on 10.5 or earlier. the fact is, apple is trimming the fat. they had atom support in there from the beginning because they thought they may need it. now that they don't, they've dumped it.

how easily everyone forgets that OS X from the beginning days of 10.0 was secretly being designed to run on Intel processors because apple was wisely preparing itself for what COULD happen.

apple couldn't care less about hackintosh machines. anyone who would choose that hardware over a true apple machine is not the consumer apple is trying to target in the first place.

and don't misinterpret what i'm saying, i think the hackintosh computers are pretty cool and i was considering doing one myself. but i don't think apple owes it to me to make sure it can happen.

 

[neteng101]

Article Link: Mac OS X 10.6.2 Confirmed to Drop Support for Intel Atom Processors

How is it possible to drop support for a product that was never supported to begin with?

You want to do something that isn't supported, go ahead - but expecting it to be supported is just plain stupid. I can understand people who might be upset over the drop of PowerPC support in Snow Leopard - but not Atoms.

Its like someone buying car tires, putting them on a pickup truck and then blaming the manufacturer when the tires blow up.

 

[iSee]

People like you are so ignorant. Why do you assume that people who hackintosh steal the OS? My brother in-law wants to hackintosh his laptop, so he bought a copy of snow leopard straight from apple. stupid assumption. also, i could have "stolen" snow leopard on my regular mac, and many do. as a matter of fact i did, but i wanted a real one so i bought it and reinstalled it. but its not fair to assume that people in the hackintosh community pirate more than people with genuine macs. i have a macbook but every single piece of software is pirated except the OS, so figure that one out....

You understand the difference between upgrade pricing and full copy pricing, right?

OS X is always sold either bundled with a Mac or as an upgrade (the the earlier version of OS X purchased with a Mac).

When your or your brother-in-law buys a retail copy of OS X, you are paying the upgrade price, but are you upgrading a version previously purchased with a Mac? If not, then you're pirating, IMO.

 

[pdjudd]

people counterfeiting money are stealing money. you make no sense...

No they are commuting fraud. They are tricking authority sources into believing the notes that they have are authentic when you the counterfeiter knows is not. Violating licensing agreements (accepting them under fraudulent terms) is no different. Your intention is to deprive someone of their legal rights.

True violating a software licence won't put you in jail, but thats because such violations are a a civil violation and not a matter of the state or government. What makes counterfeiting worse is that you are defrauding the Goverment and not a private company.

 

[Tampa Tom]

People like you are so ignorant. Why do you assume that people who hackintosh steal the OS? My brother in-law wants to hackintosh his laptop, so he bought a copy of snow leopard straight from apple. stupid assumption. also, i could have "stolen" snow leopard on my regular mac, and many do. as a matter of fact i did, but i wanted a real one so i bought it and reinstalled it. but its not fair to assume that people in the hackintosh community pirate more than people with genuine macs. i have a macbook but every single piece of software is pirated except the OS, so figure that one out....

So what? He bought a copy of Snow Leopard. (probably an upgrade for $29) No, the software is not "stolen" except is is not being used with Apple's expressed permission, which is the same as theft.

The Snow Leopard EULA states:

"You are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time.

You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so."

A crook is a crook. Hackintoshers are crooks.

 

[kate-willbury]

yay!!!! another sighting of the "Hackers care about Market Share" myth!!!!!!

dear lord, please take this somewhere else, it's stinking up the room. everyone with any brains at all knows that Macs had tens of thousands of viruses and security issues back in the Mac OS 9 and previous days. apple had no where near the market share or attention back then that this argument suggests is needed to attract hackers, etc.

simply put, OS X is solid both in security and stability.


OT now. as cool as i think the whole netbook macs are, i have no love loss over this turn of events. if you ask me, i think owners of PowerPC macs have a whole lot more room to complain that their machines are forever stuck on 10.5 or earlier. the fact is, apple is trimming the fat. they had atom support in there from the beginning because they thought they may need it. now that they don't, they've dumped it.

how easily everyone forgets that OS X from the beginning days of 10.0 was secretly being designed to run on Intel processors because apple was wisely preparing itself for what COULD happen.

apple couldn't care less about hackintosh machines. anyone who would choose that hardware over a true apple machine is not the consumer apple is trying to target in the first place.

and don't misinterpret what i'm saying, i think the hackintosh computers are pretty cool and i was considering doing one myself. but i don't think apple owes it to me to make sure it can happen.

silly rant. first of all, apple's target audience is people WITHOUT macs. why the hell would they try to target people with people who already have macs!?!?!? if anything, hackintosh exposes more people to the osx environment without them having to plop down a huge premium for it in the first place.

 

[pdjudd]

OS abuse and application software are a different game here. But you are making a different argument.

Violating a EULA is an entirely different matter than outright stealing the software.

I never said that theft was going on. I said "software license abuse" which is a different thing. Nowhere did I use the word "theft"

 

[diamond.g]

News flash, Developing OSX is not free and takes considerable resources - costs that are subsidized by Apple's hardware business along with the costs associated with getting that disc. Apple is not profiting by selling OSX alone, they legally profit by selling hardware.

If this is truly the case then why let anything but the latest run the new OS? By that token I am stealing from Apple because I haven't upgraded from my Intel Core Duo macbook, but have purchased 10.5 and 10.6 family packs.

To fix all this Apple should just stop selling the OS altogether...