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Mac OS X 10.6.2 Confirmed to Drop Support for Intel Atom Processors
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Remember this when fanboys complain about how expense Windows is compared to OS X. MSFT needs to charge more for their OS since its not being subsidized by hardware.
Stop throwing the word entitled around. This isn't about entitlement this is about Apples constant interpretations of law. Again, is a EULA legally binding? We will soon find out.
NTFS share issues are still rampant as well as Adobe Photoshop freezing which Adobe and Apple has already stated, APPLE NEEDS TO FIX ON THERE END.
Can YOU prove otherwise?? The stupidity of your claims make me angry - LOL.
I think the sheer quantity of leechers/seeds on OS X torrents speaks for itself, I find it insanely hard to believe all those people purchased copies and are just downloading torrents for giggles. But if you need me to prove otherwise, I ask that you prove to me that your statement is true. People claim real Macs are too expensive so they hackintosh, yet they are willing to go out and pay full price for the OS? Ha.
No, they are NOT upgrade licenses. My EUR 29 Snow Leopard box has this printed on it:
"MAC OSX V10.6 RETAIL (1P) Part No. MC223D/A."
Repeat: It has a RETAIL label on it.
It says NOWHERE on the box -or- the EULA that you need to own a previous version. It does not even say that you are only allowed to use this on a Mac on the box. Only in the system requirements it says "Mac-Computer with Intel CPU." But that's nothing else than saying that you need an Intel CPU to run Windows, even though it actually also runs on an AMD processor (which is compatible with the Intel product).
And then, when I open the Snow Leopard RETAIL box, I magically find no printed license agreement in it.
And the sum of this, in German - and most likely in all European - legal terms, simply means that Apple's license terms are NULL and VOID and not binding at all.
Or let me ask you folks this question: If Sony was selling BluRay discs that could only be played on Sony's own BluRay players, would you honestly try to tell me that this was legal?
I know that most American folks will now say yes, but you know what? That is only because you have gotten too used to your completely absurd legal system.
And a few words about the wide-spread myth that Apple is a hardware company and that their OS prices are based upon a bundling strategy: Apple's OS is largely based upon Open Source technoligies - namely FreeBSD - and that means that have much lower software development costs than their largest competitor named Microsoft. Furthermore, a Microsoft Systembuilder licenses begins at around 70 Euros for an end user - and large OEMs get the SAME software much cheaper than that. Since Apple does not sell their software packages with included support, their product is not much different from those Systembuilder/OEM packages, which are software without any service, support or warranty.
Now Leopard did cost EUR 129 when it was released, which is around the level of Windows Vista Professional or Windows 7 Professional. When that price is profitable for Microsoft, it most certainly also is profitable for Apple. Because, you know, Apple is in the hardware business and thus they usually "give away" their software with the hardware bundle. That means that selling upgrade or retail boxes of software is just a bonus business for them...
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple starts putting in more code to check for Apple only hardware to stop the companies like paystar. The osx86 community wouldn't be happy about it though.
You shouldn't see PA Semi as a company making PowerPC chips, you should see it as a company that can design and build highly complex and powerful chips using very little power.
I am quite sure that apart from fulfilling old contractual obligations, PA Semi is not doing any PowerPC work today. I also think they are not doing any x86 work. My educated guess would be that they are working on something that is roughly ARM-compatible, while more powerful than an ARM processor usually is. I think it is a reasonable guess, obviously stating it as fact is not correct.
Please be a little bit careful with your posts. Paystar seems to be a decent company, and nobody at Apple has any complaints about them at all or wants to stop them in any way. The company you are thinking of is Psystar.
Correction, Snow Leopard is sold as an upgrade option. Prior versions of OS X, including Leopard (which technically you are supposed to own before installing Snow Leopard), did have non-upgrade, full-cost editions available for consumers to buy.
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I for one am not complaining. Apple doesn't owe me anything. I didn't plan to update my Dell mini 9 past 10.5.7 because I had an issue with the keyboard in 10.5.8. It runs great and fills all my needs for a computer I can carry in my coat pocket that I can download photos to while traveling, watch flash video and do some writing, not an ideal keyboard, but easier than on my iPhone anyway.
what I don't get is the fanaticism of people on both sides that post in these Apple forums (and political forums, and Chevy vs. Ford etc etc). There's a religious type zeal that takes over people and they get so worked up about what someone types in an online forum because it conflicts with their beliefs. What drives you to keep responding and taking the time for these multi-quote responses? Not only that you keep on having the same arguments over and over. You do realize that no matter what point of view you espouse you're not going the change anyone's mind, don't you? This would indicate that you enjoy this back and forth but with all the arrogance, self righteousness, and derisive comments I see it's pretty sad if you enjoy that.
The other possibility is simply that sites like these employ a few shills to ignite these fires which drives traffic to the site so ad revenues will increase. Though that's dishonest, I sort of wish that's the case . Now it's up to the participants to just shrug off the comments. Why do you care that some guy thinks a EULA is enforcible or isn't? Does that really make a bit of difference in your life? When is the last time you saw a post in these type of debates where one side relents and says "oh well, you got me there, you're right, I'm wrong" yeah, didn't think so.
I for one am not complaining. Apple doesn't owe me anything. I didn't plan to update my Dell mini 9 past 10.5.7 because I had an issue with the keyboard in 10.5.8. It runs great and fills all my needs for a computer I can carry in my coat pocket that I can download photos to while traveling, watch flash video and do some writing, not an ideal keyboard, but easier than on my iPhone anyway.
what I don't get is the fanaticism of people on both sides that post in these Apple forums (and political forums, and Chevy vs. Ford etc etc). There's a religious type zeal that takes over people and they get so worked up about what someone types in an online forum because it conflicts with their beliefs. What drives you to keep responding and taking the time for these multi-quote responses? Not only that you keep on having the same arguments over and over. You do realize that no matter what point of view you espouse you're not going the change anyone's mind, don't you? This would indicate that you enjoy this back and forth but with all the arrogance, self righteousness, and derisive comments I see it's pretty sad if you enjoy that.
The other possibility is simply that sites like these employ a few shills to ignite these fires which drives traffic to the site so ad revenues will increase. Though that's dishonest, I sort of wish that's the case . Now it's up to the participants to just shrug off the comments. Why do you care that some guy thinks a EULA is enforcible or isn't? Does that really make a bit of difference in your life? When is the last time you saw a post in these type of debates where one side relents and says "oh well, you got me there, you're right, I'm wrong" yeah, didn't think so.
LOL- that's your rebuttal? "You prove it!" You're the one with the theory that most people pirate OSX.
*facepalm*
Strawman arguments. Seriously, this is what happens when you let just anybody post on the forums. People with the intelligence of a wet carrot.
Only that Psystar's computers do NOT use Atom processors, so this idea does not make any sense at all.
Furthermore, you do NOT have to hack OS X at all to let it run on a PC. I installed a completely unhacked version of Snow Leopard on a Dell XPS M1530 yesterday. The only modifications were the removal and installation of hardware drivers to get sound working -- which is the normal business when you install other operating systems like Windows or Linux.
I repeat this to make this clear: I installed and removed DRIVERS. There was no hacking or patching of any original Apple software. There is -NO- copy protection in OS X that prevents the system from being installed on non-Apple hardware.
All that you need is something like Chameleon so that you have EFI on an otherwise BIOS-only PC. That's all. At the end of the day, the only difference between OS X and other PC operating systems is that OS X only runs on machines with EFI, while all other PC operating systems also run on machines with an old-fashioned BIOS. In other words: Apple's DMCA and copyright claims are pure nonsense. But they have to go down that route because they know that pursuing their EULA strategy won't get them anywhere.
It says so on the site when you order your copy :
http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MAC_OS_X_SNGL
And Apple's site is clear that you will have to accept the EULA. They also say that you can return the software for a full refund even if opened if a seperate EULA sheet is not included in the box.
I'm pretty sure that after close to 20 years of EULAs, we would know if they were VOID in germany by now.
I wonder if Apple actually 'supported' Atom in the past- by that I mean going out of their way to insert/modify code to ensure OS X would run on Atom CPU's.
My guess is that OS X is basically compatible on Atom 'as is' without any customization necessary, and that Apple actually went out of its way to make sure OS X would not run on Atom CPU's.
Or a third (and equally possible) explanation is that Apple wasn't trying to support or deny Atom processors, and some change in 10.6.2 for other purposes just ended up being incompatible on Atom.
Does anyone actually KNOW which is correct?
Funny seeing all the "Hackintosh people buy OS X!" when I have 3 people around me running 10.6 on HP Minis (and with the kernel mod, running 10.6.2 to boot) and none of them bought a copy of OS X for their Netbook...
The hackintosh community is very small, and in that community, only a very small percentage actually buy OS X. Anyone saying otherwise is being disingenious...
um...you have 3 people "around you" already upgraded to 10.6.2 on the same netbook?
Clearly this very small community you refer to isn't as small as you think. I bet I don't even know 3 people with macs who have upgraded to 10.6.2 yet. I've only upgraded one of my machines to 10.6, even!
I'm guessing "around you" is "in college" and I'm guessing that you have at least one software application that you didn't pay for.
And the only difference between the hardware in Macs and PCs is that Apple gets paid for one, and not the other. That's kind of a big difference in Apple's eyes.
That's because it is sold at a retail store. It is still an upgrade since every mac already has OSX included.
Irrelevant. System requirements and Apple's SLA trump internal product codes. THey get to dictate how you use a licensed product.
There is a difference between technical requirements and what the license agreement covers. Go ahead and violate the technical requirements all you want (of what good it will do you), but the SLA terms are set in stone and require a Mac. Guess what all Mac's come with. OSX. That makes all discs licensed upgrades.
Not required. Apple provides you a source where you can obtain it and it is available on the disc before installation. Believe me, I have covered this before.
I have heard this before and yet nobody had ever been able to cite anything definitive. Its just speculation and people saying "its likely to be"
That is perfectly legal - Sony owns the Blue Ray standard (mostly) and is under no obligation to license it's technologies. Obviously though there is a problem - Blue-Ray is a group that has partner members. OSX is almost entirely owned by Apple (portions of it are commercially licensed from other sources though)
Was there actually inclusion of 'Atom code' in the first place? Doesn't Leopard (which runs fine on netbooks) predate Atom?
No, it's small. Around me is the Unix systems administration team. All computer geeks that spend their days tinkering with Unix kernel and updates, and are on the very bleeding edge. Nothing indicative of any sort of trend.
And me having one software application I didn't pay for means squat when I didn't claim the contrary.
Factor out those who also own Windows, and, yeah, it's pretty much the same as it was a decade ago. Maybe less.