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Mac OS X 10.6.3 Build 10D573 Seeded to Developers

Eidorian said:
I wonder who green lit redesigning the cases and logic boards to only fit a two chip system with nVidia as the only viable solution for IGP and I/O.
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Bingo.

The closed garden walls are growing higher every day.

The day is coming when Apple computers will have as many hardware options as iPads and iPods. If they are still making computers in five years. Personally, I doubt it. They will be replaced by iPad Pros with a $50 matte screen option and a $500 memory upgrade. :apple:
 
Fix Finder and push Adobe to fix Flash Player

nearly all of my issues are Finder related (apart from Flash Player in Safari) and that's all i want fixed, or could some programming genius tell me how to import Leopard's 10.5.8 Finder into Snow Leopard ;) and also, random question, can anyone tell me how to deliberately crash/force quit Flash Player as i find Safari runs like **** off a shovel when it closed the other day lol, but silly me i made the mistake of restarting the computer to reopen it lol

iMac 20" @2.66GHZ, MBA @1.6GHZ, Time Capsule 1TB (Single Band), iPhone 3G, iPod Classic 160GB, iPod Shuffle Latest Gen 2GB :apple:
 
ungraphic said:
Do you have a link to a technical bboard on the TRIM/SSD/OSX issue? I've been ready to buy an SSD drive for a while, and the best time would be with a 10.6.3/10.6.4 release as im still on 10.5.8.
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Sorry, I do not. I am not in the market for an SSD, and thus have put no effort into looking for technical resources on this matter.

To be honest, I doubt if there's anyone who can provide you with any helpful information. Apple does not generally discuss unreleased products and even more, they don't discuss highly specific functionality of the OS. But go ahead and Search The Fine Web.

Since Apple is only shipping the MacBook Air with an SSD as an option, they have not prioritized the issue (or maybe it's difficult to safely implement). Who knows?
 
Bubba Satori said:
Bingo.

The closed garden walls are growing higher every day.

The day is coming when Apple computers will have as many hardware options as iPads and iPods. If they are still making computers in five years. Personally, I doubt it. They will be replaced by iPad Pros with a $50 matte screen option and a $500 memory upgrade. :apple:
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I don't know why you say that with vile. That iPad Pro will be 4xHD (4K), have 20x the power of an about to be released MacPro 2010, will have massively more wireless bandwidth than even most fixed broadband connections today, and have a server side the power of a NSA computer.

What was the downside again?

Rocketman
 
It's never going to be perfect... just release it already!!! Haha. Nah, I don't care. 10.6.2 works great.
 
Bubba Satori said:
Bingo.

The closed garden walls are growing higher every day.

The day is coming when Apple computers will have as many hardware options as iPads and iPods. If they are still making computers in five years. Personally, I doubt it. They will be replaced by iPad Pros with a $50 matte screen option and a $500 memory upgrade. :apple:
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I assume you are joking for the most part but these people who keep spouting crap like Apple is going to stop making computers is just dumb. What the hell is going to be the hub for all of your media? Without a Mac or iTunes there is no way to sync iPod's, iPad's or iPhone's unless it just stays on the device forcing you to buy from iTunes(and re-buy if you get a new version of the device) which would kill their sales across the board.
 
Rocketman said:
I don't know why you say that with vile. That iPad Pro will be 4xHD (4K), have 20x the power of an about to be released MacPro 2010, will have massively more wireless bandwidth than even most fixed broadband connections today, and have a server side the power of a NSA computer.

What was the downside again?
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No keyboard?

Sofa surfing and doing real work on it are two markets with different priorities on the requirements.

There are people who still use computers more than email, web and streamed audio/movies. The question is - is apple moving away from that area?

I write software for OSX that requires MIDI.. so it's not something that can easily be done via an iPad.
 
NickK1066 said:
There are people who still use computers more than email, web and streamed audio/movies. The question is - is apple moving away from that area?
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We won't know until Apple starts thinning out their computer product lines.

Based on steady increased Mac sales, increased marketshare, and continued high margins from its Mac product lines, I doubt that we will see a reduction in focus by Apple on the Mac over the next few years.
 
Mails rules off bottom of the screen

When you add more than 25 rules the Rules Window will extend off the bottom of the screen, hiding the control buttons.

Would someone who has seen 10.6.3 in action confirm that this 4 year old flaw has been fixed?

Jim
 
AidenShaw said:
It'll be 3 times the price of more powerful, more flexible, more adaptible, more connectable, more compatible, more open slates from from other companies.

;)
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And, wait for it, will be 10x as capable and have some whiz-bang features and benefits not available on the "better hardware concatenations" available from everybody else.

:)

Aiden, I get the feeling we both have been at this computer thing a very long time. I will say this sidebar comment. Do you remember the very first time you used a spreadsheet? It made some things almost magically easier and better and it ran on what we can only charatibly now call severe crippleware.

Everything is relative.

Rocketman

The Moon is too far away and uninhabitable. - me
One small step for a man - Some dude named Neil
 
cvaldes said:
We won't know until Apple starts thinning out their computer product lines.

Based on steady increased Mac sales, increased marketshare, and continued high margins from its Mac product lines, I doubt that we will see a reduction in focus by Apple on the Mac over the next few years.
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Do you really think that if Apple didn't have iPod, iPhone, iPad products the Mac offerings would be the same as they are today? Or do you think that Apple would be bringing in schedule dates, offering the latest cpus, better graphics, more features, and more options?

There has already been a reduction in focus on the Mac.
 
Eric S. said:
Do you really think that if Apple didn't have iPod, iPhone, iPad products the Mac offerings would be the same as they are today? Or do you think that Apple would be bringing in schedule dates, offering the latest cpus, better graphics, more features, and more options?

There has already been a reduction in focus on the Mac.
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Agreed. But then again, they stopped making printers, and reduced the complexity of the mac line also. I don't see the mac going away. I think the other products bring people to the mac. And I don't think that apple is withholding upgrades because it "doesn't care enough" about the mac.
 
jimoase said:
When you add more than 25 rules the Rules Window will extend off the bottom of the screen, hiding the control buttons.

Would someone who has seen 10.6.3 in action confirm that this 4 year old flaw has been fixed?

Jim
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I'm not sure many people add more than 25 custom rules to experience this issue. Have you sent any kind of feedback to Apple? If its a minor, user-behavior specifc problem and isn't brought to their attention by said user, the likelyhood of them up and fixing it is very low.
 
I am starting to think Apple is holding onto this update because it might included something they want hidden. The only other idea is they are holding onto this until days before the iPad is released because something for the iPad is hidden in the OS X code. Lastly maybe the beta testers are not giving enough feedback to the OS X team.

Besides how my different 10.6.3 beta updates have there been now? :eek:
 
oliverb said:
Agreed. But then again, they stopped making printers, and reduced the complexity of the mac line also. I don't see the mac going away. I think the other products bring people to the mac. And I don't think that apple is withholding upgrades because it "doesn't care enough" about the mac.
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They made printers? (Sarcasm)

Apple stopped making printers because... who the hell want to? They are very low profit margins in fact many companies lose money off them, it's the inks that's the black gold. Apple don't make the inks, so they don't make the money off that.
 
satcomer said:
I am starting to think Apple is holding onto this update because it might included something they want hidden. The only other idea is they are holding onto this until days before the iPad is released because something for the iPad is hidden in the OS X code.
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Anything like that would have been leaked by now by someone who got the seeds. I don't think it's possible for Apple to keep a complete lid on anything that's in the code; if it can be found after release then it can be found before release.
 
Eric S. said:
Do you really think that if Apple didn't have iPod, iPhone, iPad products the Mac offerings would be the same as they are today? Or do you think that Apple would be bringing in schedule dates, offering the latest cpus, better graphics, more features, and more options?

There has already been a reduction in focus on the Mac.
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Let's think about this for a moment.

The portable lifestyle devices are the post production consumer on the run products.

The laptop/desktop/server devices are the infrastructure tools, the get your work done and more tools.

Apple is expanding on both fronts.

With the hints at the Home Entertainment center it will make three fronts.

No. Apple streamlined it's market for general work computers and will refine them as they evolve with technology. Their market is expanding and will continue to expanding with attention to details on all fronts.

OS X has a long way in it's evolution.
 
cvaldes said:
So you're implying that Apple needs to wait until April 12 for the LLVM 2.7 release, recompile a bunch of critical core libraries like OpenGL with an unreleased, unproven brand-new compiler, requal everything that had been working adequately compiled on LLVM 2.6, then release 10.6.3?

And that this is a showstopper?!?

Why not release 10.6.3 with components compiled with LLVM 2.6 and then work on releasing LLVM 2.7 compiled libraries with 10.6.4?

I can understand the purported benefits of LLVM 2.7, but to delay the release of a minor maintenance release for such an item, one that is completely unproven as of now? Assuming that 10.6.3 is in an internal release candidate phase (since Apple doesn't publicly announce release candidates), it seems highly highly unlikely that they would just say, "oh yeah, let's recompile OpenGL with a new compiler in two weeks and see how that works".

Again, I reiterate my suspicion why they wouldn't simply freeze 10.6.3 and stick this in 10.6.4? Is this typical Apple behavior? Do they regularly change compilers in the late stages of a minor maintenance release?

This is a very fascinating scenario however I'm really having a hard time seeing the plausibility of it.

Please convince me why.
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You don't know much about LLVM.

LLVM and GCC work together or separately. LLVM-GCC 4.5 is about to be released in-line with GCC 4.5.

Care to comment some more?

Care to comment on Cray and the multitude of projects moving to LLVM over GCC and Intel's Compiler suites, not to mention Microsoft's Compiler suite? They all must be dumb.
 
Bubba Satori said:
If they are still making computers in five years. Personally, I doubt it.
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I think that you are wrong, not only for the other reasons stated above, but for the fact that Apple sold $4.45B worth of Macs last quarter.

$4,450,000,000. In three months.

This is 25% higher than the same quarter last year. It doesn't take an MBA to realize that this is a HUGE, growing business - and one that Apple is in no danger of abandoning.

Have they de-emphasized the Mac? Well, Apple also sold $3.4B worth of iPods (up 1% over last year) and $5.6B worth of iPhones (up 90%!), so it's true that the Mac accounts for less percentage-wise of revenue (28% of Apple's total quarterly revenue). That said, most companies would kill to have a business that could generate $13.8B in revenue in a year (FY2009).
 
mdriftmeyer said:
You don't know much about LLVM.

LLVM and GCC work together or separately. LLVM-GCC 4.5 is about to be released in-line with GCC 4.5.

Care to comment some more?

Care to comment on Cray and the multitude of projects moving to LLVM over GCC and Intel's Compiler suites, not to mention Microsoft's Compiler suite? They all must be dumb.
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You're missing the point, nobody says LLVM is not worth it. What we're trying to say is that there's no reason for Apple to hold back 10.6.3 for this. The improvements from moving toward a newer version of LLVM is not worth over waiting longer for bug fixes that are far more important. They could've easily released 10.6.3 a month ago and have 10.6.4 ready with the new LLVM 2.7. It's not uncommon for Apple to release a new build within weeks.
 
AidenShaw said:
It'll be 3 times the price of more powerful, more flexible, more adaptible, more connectable, more compatible, more open slates from from other companies.

;)
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Stuttering problem? :rolleyes:

Perhaps it will be more responsive, more streamlined, more refined, better implemented for touch input with more precision, and fluid navigation, more portable, more robust, and overall, more desirable for those who appreciate "instant on" access to their work.
 
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