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Mac OS X 10.6.5 Addresses Display Issues on New MacBook Air

Sound Evolution said:
Not to defend Apple,

But speaking from own experience, Apple did a very good job with the new MBA. The thing never got hot, fan's are silent. This is nothing compared to the first gen. MBA which was really flawed in so many ways.

I don't deny there are people out with issues, and maybe I get the same issues when mine getting older (knock on the wood) but right not it feels like a good designed product. And well if this issue is solved with a software update a few weeks after release, I think Apple did a pretty good job.

With kind regards,
Bas
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And to take it a little further, it sounds like some of the complaints I'm reading here are per unit issues. Let's not forget that any time someone sells hundreds of thousands or millions of a product some of the units are going to be defective. Apple is in some ways a victim of their own success here. The microscope is on them. Any time someone sees Apple in a web page headline these days they click the link, and the story ends up going viral. It's even more magnified here at Macrumors.

The reason why nobody is raising a stink about 2003 Dell laptops is because:

A. Nobody gives a damn.

B. Everyone expects the typical plastic Windows box to be just a low margin POS, and is actually pleasantly surprised when they get the extra mileage out of it.

Here are some Macrumors headlines for you:

My 15" MBP wakes up every time I open the lid. It stays connected to the Time Capsule in the other room, and never flickers.

My 27" iMac hums along with no performance or display issues.

My iPad works as advertised, and also stays connected to my wireless network.
 
And also consider the software issues are less important than hardware one.

Apple is one of the company with the lowest fault rate with Sony and Toshiba.
 
rdlink said:
The reason why nobody is raising a stink about 2003 Dell laptops is because:

A. Nobody gives a damn.

B. Everyone expects the typical plastic Windows box to be just a low margin POS, and is actually pleasantly surprised when they get the extra mileage out of it.
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It's unbelievable how full of crap those two statements are -- but sadly, it's also typical for the stereotype Mac user to put something like that on the Internet.

We have a saying in Germany, let me translate it for you: "Other mothers have beautiful daughters, too." Just because you're so proud of your consumer good "designed by Apple in California" that doesn't automatically mean that everything non-Apple is a POS by default.

I tell you what: It's BS like the above and the mindset of the average Mac user on the Internet that really makes me hate everything Apple.

Here are some Macrumors headlines for you:

My 15" Dell XPS M1530 wakes up every time I open the lid. It stays connected to my Linux WLAN router in the other room, and never flickers. It even runs flawlessly with Ubuntu Linux and even works with Mac OS X, if I want to.

My 27" iMac i5 hums along with no performance or display issues. But it's even faster when I boot it into 64-Bit Windows 7 - does that make it a "plastic Windows box", too?

My iPad was a useless toy, thus I returned it to Apple.

My iPhone works on an acceptable level, but it certainly is not the answer to all our smartphone prayers.
 
still have the issue,


apparently according to the specialist i was talking to it is a wire underneath the keyboard coming loose from keyboard presses causing the display to go wonky.
 
Winni said:
It's unbelievable how full of crap those two statements are -- but sadly, it's also typical for the stereotype Mac user to put something like that on the Internet.

We have a saying in Germany, let me translate it for you: "Other mothers have beautiful daughters, too." Just because you're so proud of your consumer good "designed by Apple in California" that doesn't automatically mean that everything non-Apple is a POS by default.

I tell you what: It's BS like the above and the mindset of the average Mac user on the Internet that really makes me hate everything Apple.
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I used to read your posts a bit back, and they displayed nothing but someone with a healthy opinion on the computer industry. You were unafraid to point out flaws in any product and that combined with you're knowledge of computers made you're posts both unbias and most of the time, true. I thought your opinion was a real credit to these forums

Recently however, all I see from you his hate for Apple. Now whereas I'd have thought pretty much the same as you thought after reading rdlink's post, all you seem to do now is criticise Apple.

Basically, if you don't like Apple anymore and have nothing but abuse to post, you're no better than *LTD* who posts nothing but blindless praise for Apple. If you don't like Apple as much as you are insinuating with you're posts, why are you even on this forum?

I'm sorry to say that you have gone down in my estimation.
 
MacModMachine said:
still have the issue,


apparently according to the specialist i was talking to it is a wire underneath the keyboard coming loose from keyboard presses causing the display to go wonky.
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That's what warranties are for. Mine has been flawless since the day I received it, before 10.6.5. I don't know what "software issue" there was, but I couldn't ever replicate it.

Just get your exchanged.
 
Dammit Cubs said:
The one that people aren't talking about and the one I returned my MBA to get another one was the...waking up from sleep and your backlight doesn't work. That was tried on both version of OSX and still failed.

...your move apple.
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This is the only problem I've noticed on my 11" Air as well. No flickering or fading or bright white displays as others have mentioned...just the backlight refusing to come on when I open it up (even if i press a button or click the trackpad). It's only happened twice in the 2 weeks since I've had it, but it could still be potentially embarrassing during client pitches if I open it up and show them a nice black screen instead of their designs.

Hardware? Software? Underwear? I have no idea.

Other than that, this beauty rocks.

D.
 
Tears Apart said:
No no - once the latch is open the computer should defo wake up from sleep.
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I hate "wake from sleep on lid opening". Why? Inevitably, all Mac latchless laptops that I've had end up -- somehow -- switching on when schlepping. Nothing sucks worse than opening up your fully charged laptop when the 10k foot bell rings only to find the battery drained.

So the first command I run is require wake button press on wake from sleep.
 
Winni said:
It's unbelievable how full of crap those two statements are -- but sadly, it's also typical for the stereotype Mac user to put something like that on the Internet.

We have a saying in Germany, let me translate it for you: "Other mothers have beautiful daughters, too." Just because you're so proud of your consumer good "designed by Apple in California" that doesn't automatically mean that everything non-Apple is a POS by default.

I tell you what: It's BS like the above and the mindset of the average Mac user on the Internet that really makes me hate everything Apple.

Here are some Macrumors headlines for you:

My 15" Dell XPS M1530 wakes up every time I open the lid. It stays connected to my Linux WLAN router in the other room, and never flickers. It even runs flawlessly with Ubuntu Linux and even works with Mac OS X, if I want to.

My 27" iMac i5 hums along with no performance or display issues. But it's even faster when I boot it into 64-Bit Windows 7 - does that make it a "plastic Windows box", too?

My iPad was a useless toy, thus I returned it to Apple.

My iPhone works on an acceptable level, but it certainly is not the answer to all our smartphone prayers.
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Oh, the irony. It's unfortunate that your iPad was a "useless toy". Your choice of language belies your entire argument. You're exhibiting every bit as much bias and pigheadedness as that which you rail against. Backing up your argument using quaint Schwabian proverbs is always good for a laugh.

And you wrote:
I tell you what: It's BS like the above and the mindset of the average Mac user on the Internet that really makes me hate everything Apple.
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Seriously? What people write on forums sways that you much? And again, aren't you exhibiting the exact same mindless bias of which you seem so deeply offended?
 
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CplBadboy said:
Bas,

I totally agree its a well designed product, a real advance in technology and is great to look at. Ill say that I would love one but its frustrating to read that so may Apple products are increasingly having issues. I think whats annoying is the high premium that is paid fro the products.

Cant fault them though they have released the SW update to resolve but IMO this shouldnt be an issue. Intensive R&D and testing would have flagged this problem way before production.

Regards
Stu
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Actually, I read online all the time about these 'issues' that supposedly effect my products... like the iPhone 4 and my 2 week old 13" MBA... and I never have any of the problems described. I know they are legitimate issues for some, just not me. And so I have to wonder if Apple is releasing bad products these days, or is it simply Apple has become so popular that is has become the company people like to talk about? As far as I can tell these issues do not effect the majority, they effect the minority and the reality is sometimes to flush out a low percentage effect you need a LOT of testers in a lot of situations (like thousands to millions). so I have to disagree that all problems can be found out with intensive R&D. I think what we have is less of a QA issue, more of a reporting issue. But if it means Apple products get better, than thats good.

having said that, for the record, no display issues with my 13" MBA.
 
Back to the topic at hand...

The software update doesn't solve a damn thing, because this is a hardware issue. Apple can optimize software all they want, it won't change the fact that a batch of units have defective video cards.

I've updated to 10.6.5 and my screen's practically on its deathbed right now. One month anniversary from order date tomorrow.
 
KnightWRX said:
That's what warranties are for. Mine has been flawless since the day I received it, before 10.6.5. I don't know what "software issue" there was, but I couldn't ever replicate it.

Just get your exchanged.
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i wasent complaining, ill live with the issue.

if it gets worse ill send it back for repair.

there was and still is a glitch issue, i believe on every macbook air, sure you have been flawless..... but it will come.

mine lasted a week before it had its first episode.
 
This is the most mature thread I've read in a while! Not being sarcastic! It has been a long time since those arising to apple praise and posting hate posts have been met with replies that are so far above them. I don't understand why so many people with simple opinions such as something being a useless toy post and even visit this forum but I suppose it comes with the masses.

Slighty on the topic side: on the mac laptops I have used and owned the issue of the computer not always waking from sleep properly has only been a slight hindrance seeing as pressing a key occasionally hurts noone and much prefer that to being woken up my friends toshiba constantly trying to read a DVD while closed and logged off as I was last night! I think the sleeping of computers is an issue that will never make anyone happy as there are always things that people would like to be running like a USB port to charge your iPod without leaving the computer fully on. Glad apple have fixed/attempted to fix the MBA as I would very much like one in the near future.
 
I have a MBP (see in signature) and it's been going back to sleep right after I open it up from sleep. I'll enter my password and try to go to Safari and I'll get an error then it'll go right back into sleep mode (I know this because the indicator light on the front will flash like it does when sleeping). It seems to have started with 10.6.5
 
So far so good. My 13 MBA had a couple flickers prior to the update and none after.
 
DSpawnZ said:
Thanks for your help. Seems it worked. I've changed channel from Automatic(1) to 6. Seems to be working for the last 3 hours.

Greetings from Argentina
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Your welcome. I am glad it worked out. I had the same issues for months! :D Till I changed the channel. Now it works flawless day in day out.

With kind regards,
Bas
 
Dammit Cubs said:
The one that people aren't talking about and the one I returned my MBA to get another one was the...waking up from sleep and your backlight doesn't work. That was tried on both version of OSX and still failed.

...your move apple.
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x2. That was the issue on mine. The first question the Apple Genius asked me was whether I had installed 10.6.5. I had, but I still had the issue.
 
MacModMachine said:
there was and still is a glitch issue, i believe on every macbook air, sure you have been flawless..... but it will come.
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You base this on ? Seriously, if this issue was spread to all MBAs, the forums would be flooded with complaints. As it stands, this seem to be something you shouldn't just live with and you should get yours exchanged now instead of repaired later on.

If it's a loose wire, it's a manufacturing defect and all units are not affected at all.
 
No big issue

To me this is no big issue and I think Apple has responded quickly.

You have to understand, any version 1 product is going to have it's issues.

I'm glad they quickly fixed it.

I was more upset about the iPhone 4 issue and how long it took Apple to respond. That was terrible.

Johnson and Johnson set the tone years ago with the bad tylenol bottles. They IMMEDIATELY took action by removing the bottles in the store. Implemented the foil covers, and went full speed with a huge PR blitz. The whoel fiasco made J&J a stronger company.

Granted bad pills is WAY worse than this but you catch my drift ;)
 
I'm hearing the iPad = useless toy comments a lot recently. Every time I hear that I laugh. It reminds me of the comments made by people when I got my the first Intel based MBP 17. I reminds me of what I heard when I got the first iPhone. It makes laugh even harder when I think about how I actually sold my last MBP and I now use my iPad AS my mobile computer. I use desktops at home with dropbox sharing files.
 
Funny, I never really payed attention if any of my macbooks goes out of sleep right after open the lid. I might as well hit unconscious the spacebar as automatic reflex to wake the computer up.

I will keep an eye on it now ;)

With kind regards,
Bas
 
CplBadboy said:
Bas,

I totally agree its a well designed product, a real advance in technology and is great to look at. Ill say that I would love one but its frustrating to read that so may Apple products are increasingly having issues. I think whats annoying is the high premium that is paid fro the products.

Cant fault them though they have released the SW update to resolve but IMO this shouldnt be an issue. Intensive R&D and testing would have flagged this problem way before production.

Regards
Stu
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I would almost say that's true, but these same types of comments were flying when I was about to buy my 2003 PB 12" 1GHz. Everybody warning people to stay away from the 12" PBs, but I bought anyway. Great machine it was. My point -- Apple's quality is still consistently high (and the people with problems will always have the loudest voices).
 
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