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Mac OS X 10.6.7 Adds Support for New AMD Graphics Cards

cube said:
AMD Fusion is a better CPU because it does true OpenCL in the GPU, not like Intel's alpha OpenCL which runs on the CPU side.

Fusion is DirectX 11 class. Intel is DirectX 10.1 class.
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Uhh, no bro. The CPU and GPU are two separate things, and Sandy Bridge smokes Fusion on the CPU side. If you want to argue OpenCL for all of the zero current day applications it currently has then be my guest and do so. Fusion is DX11? Wow, more vaporware that rarely gets added in modern games due to wanting to be backwards compatible, how exciting!

Once again, run Sandy Bridge and a discrete GPU if you are really looking for performance. There's your OpenCL and DX11 support that you need so badly. It will smoke anything AMD has to offer.
 
I;m going to go out on a limb and preemptively complain my MacPro 1.1 isn't supported :( and is only as configurable as an iMac...the irony...
 
cgc said:
I;m going to go out on a limb and preemptively complain my MacPro 1.1 isn't supported :( and is only as configurable as an iMac...the irony...
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You can upgrade to the latest 5870 card if you wanted to right now. It might not be 'officially' supported but you can still do it.


zin said:
Please don't put an AMD 5XXX series into the new iMacs! :(
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If they do it will for sure be only in the low-end 21.5" iMac (5670).
 
aiqw9182 said:
Uhh, no bro. The CPU and GPU are two separate things, and Sandy Bridge smokes Fusion on the CPU side. If you want to argue OpenCL for all of the zero current day applications it currently has then be my guest and do so. Fusion is DX11? Wow, more vaporware that rarely gets added in modern games due to wanting to be backwards compatible, how exciting!

Once again, run Sandy Bridge and a discrete GPU if you are really looking for performance. There's your OpenCL and DX11 support that you need so badly. It will smoke anything AMD has to offer.
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OpenCL are COMPUTE tasks. If you can't do them on the GPU, you would need a HUGELY powerful CPU. That's why having true OpenCL means you have a better "CPU".

In one or two months after Bobcat Fusion was introduced there are already 50 Fusion-oriented Windows apps.

I'm not taking about DirectX 11 concerning games, but concerning OpenCL.
 
cube said:
OpenCL are COMPUTE tasks. If you can't do them on the GPU, you would need a HUGELY powerful CPU. That's why having true OpenCL means you have a better "CPU".

In one or two months after Bobcat Fusion was introduced there are already 50 Fusion-oriented Windows apps.

I'm not taking about DirectX 11 concerning games, but concerning OpenCL.
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OpenCL /DirectCompute are COMPUTE tasks that hardly anything currently supports(both of which support hardware before DX11, completely eradicating the point of even bringing that up in the first place). You do not have a better CPU. In theory and vaporware tests you could outperform Sandy Bridge by itself. But Sandy Bridge with a discrete GPU will smoke Llano with a discrete GPU any day of the week.
 
Digital Dude said:
So, without using the supplied windows CD/Driver I can simply plug n' play the 5870 intom my 2009 MacPro and it work?! Heck, if you have done it without issues, then I'm tempted.
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Ask for some more info on the Mac Pro board or use the search function on MacRumors. My knowledge on it is fairly limited.
 
aiqw9182 said:
OpenCL /DirectCompute are COMPUTE tasks that are hardly anything currently supports(both of which support hardware before DX11, completely eradicating the point of even bringing that up in the first place). You do not have a better CPU. In theory and vaporware tests you could outperform Sandy Bridge by itself. But Sandy Bridge with a discrete GPU will smoke Llano with a discrete GPU any day of the week.
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I'm not talking about using a discrete GPU, but about what you can do with just the CPU (or should I call it "APU"?).
 
Can anyone explain the nVidia hate?

I, for one, miss my old GeForce 8800.

I have a Radeon HD 5770 now, and there are these little annoyances. For instance, when I run my bootcamp partition inside VMWare, the AMD driver software starts complaining. The GeForce didn't give a damn. Speaking of which, I had to install the .Net framework to install the AMD drivers. Kinda cheap. And every now and then I get a slight flicker in the screen. To be honest, I'm not sure if that's the Radeon, but I've never had it before.

Don't get me wrong, the card is performing superbly overall. But the driver side still needs some polish. (And that's a complaint I've been hearing for ages!)
 
cube said:
I'm not talking about using a discrete GPU, but about what you can do with just the CPU (or should I call it "APU"?).
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Once again, Sandy Bridge will smoke the Llano CPU. The amount of applications that currently support OpenCL are slim to none. You can keep using your theoretical AMD video to somehow prove something but the fact remains: Sandy Bridge's CPU will outperform AMD's Llano in EVERY application that isn't supported for OpenCL, and it will outperform it in EVERY application that does have OpenCL support if you have a discrete GPU. End of story. Saying that Sandy Bridge is a 'bad purchase' is laughable at best when we haven't even seen any hard benchmarks for Llano, all we've seen a video from AMD's own YouTube channel. What the hell do you expect them to upload? Them getting destroyed by Intel like they do in every other test that has been done since 2006?
 
Um, I believe credit for this should actually go to netkas:

http://netkas.org/?p=679

He (with rominator) reported over a week ago that the 10.6.6 build with the ThunderBook Pro's can drive PC Radeon 6xxx cards as is.
 
aiqw9182 said:
Once again, Sandy Bridge will smoke the Llano CPU. The amount of applications that currently support OpenCL are slim to none. You can keep using your theoretical AMD video to somehow prove something but the fact remains: Sandy Bridge's CPU will outperform AMD's Llano in EVERY application that isn't supported for OpenCL, and it will outperform it in EVERY application that does have OpenCL support if you have a discrete GPU. End of story. Saying that Sandy Bridge is a 'bad purchase' is laughable at best when we haven't even seen any hard benchmarks, we've seen a video from AMD's own YouTube channel. What the hell do you expect them to upload? Them getting destroyed by Intel like they do in every other test that has been done since 2006?
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I'd rather have a CPU that is a bit slower for non-OpenCL tasks, than a computer that is faster at that but is unusable for other things because it doesn't have OpenCL.
 
cube said:
I'd rather have a CPU that is a bit slower for non-OpenCL tasks, than a computer that is faster at that but is unusable for other things because it doesn't have OpenCL.
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Tad slower? If history repeats itself Intel's CPU will completely destroy AMD's offering. It won't be a bit slower, it will be a lot slower. Tell me when OpenCL suddenly becomes a requirement. Enjoy your vaporware bro. I'm sure your Llano machine will outperform Sandy Bridge in a few years when applications actually use the technology. Assuming said Sandy Bridge machine doesn't have discrete graphics. I'd love to know these apps you are using by the way and what your career is. If you are so serious about OpenCL then you shouldn't be purchasing a machine with an IGP to begin with.

Also I had a good chuckle at this:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=12048219

"The future is fusion"

So you are a spokesperson for AMD?
 
So, this doesn't mean it would be possible to upgrade a 2010 15" MBP's GPU from the INTEL HD graphics to anything different does it??

This INTEL HD sucks really bad...
 
cube said:
No, I don't like Apple to force me to buy Intel.
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Cool story bro, would read again. If you want the fusion so badly then buy a PC. No one's forcing you to buy from Apple.

Kiwi Jones said:
So, this doesn't mean it would be possible to upgrade a 2010 15" MBP's GPU from the INTEL HD graphics to anything different does it??

This INTEL HD sucks really bad...
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Why should you care about the IGP in your 2010 15" MBP? You have a discrete GPU(NVIDIA 330M) alongside it that it should automatically switch to while under heavy load.
 
aiqw9182 said:
Cool story bro, would read again. If you want the fusion so badly then buy a PC. No one's forcing you to buy from Apple.



Why should you care about the IGP in your 2010 15" MBP? You have a discrete GPU alongside it that should automatically switch to while under heavy load (NVIDIA 330M).
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Would it be possible to switch out the NVIDIA 330M then..? I't cant even handle Starcraft2 at medium settings without low fps..
 
aiqw9182 said:
Cool story bro, would read again. If you want the fusion so badly then buy a PC. No one's forcing you to buy from Apple.
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I am forced to buy Apple because of the lack of commercial Linux applications for consumers.
 
Erwin-Br said:
Can anyone explain the nVidia hate?

I, for one, miss my old GeForce 8800.

I have a Radeon HD 5770 now, and there are these little annoyances. For instance, when I run my bootcamp partition inside VMWare, the AMD driver software starts complaining. The GeForce didn't give a damn. Speaking of which, I had to install the .Net framework to install the AMD drivers. Kinda cheap. And every now and then I get a slight flicker in the screen. To be honest, I'm not sure if that's the Radeon, but I've never had it before.

Don't get me wrong, the card is performing superbly overall. But the driver side still needs some polish. (And that's a complaint I've been hearing for ages!)
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The .Net framework is for the CCC (Catalyst Control Center). I am pretty sure you can still get the drivers and not dl the CCC.
aiqw9182 said:
Why should you care about the IGP in your 2010 15" MBP? You have a discrete GPU(NVIDIA 330M) alongside it that it should automatically switch to while under heavy load.
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It isn't load based... It is API based. But you knew that...
 
Kiwi Jones said:
Would it be possible to switch out the NVIDIA 330M then..? I't cant even handle Starcraft2 at medium settings without low fps..
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No, you can't switch it out. Might want to look into that though because it shouldn't be running THAT bad.

cube said:
I am forced to buy Apple because of the lack of commercial Linux applications for consumers.
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So then use Windows?


diamond.g said:
It isn't load based... It is API based. But you knew that...
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Anytime OS X detects quartz, OpenGL, etc. it kicks in. You get the idea. Generally when those are detected you tend to be doing something that will require heavy load(or heavier load).
 
Absolutely NO support of NVIDIA quadro 4000 for Mac on OSX 10.6.7 Update

I'm owner of a Mac Pro (westmere dual CPU) with a REAL GRAPHICS CARD!
...a "PNY NVIDIA Quadro 4000 for Mac"

After updating the Mac OS X 10.6.7 update
then all my NVIDIA graphics drivers/features went up in smoke!

- Monitor ICC color profile did not work (all to bright/whiteish OSX GUI)

- All webbrowsers tilted in all Flash driven websites,
because of GPU accel. in Adobe Flash Plug-in. (had to disable Flash)

- Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 Mercury Playback Engine did not work

I was lucky enough that I have used the primary Display port on the graphics card, if I had used the secondary then I would not even be able to start up the Mac Pro!

So I do not think it was a good update on that part!
Isn't Mac's about everything JUST WORKS
or have they got some Windows deceases!!!
So how I see it is that Apple is at WAR with NVIDIA!
Just like they are at WAR with Adobe.

I could manually install the old NVIDIA Quadro 4000 driver by doing a "Show content" at the driver package. Then installing each of the tree drivers and do a Restart. then my NVIDIA Quadro 4000 came to life again.
24 hours after the OS X 10.6.7 Update NVIDIA released a new updated NVIDIA Quadro 4000 driver compatible with OSX 10.6.7

Any ATI Radeon graphics cards is NOT supported with GPU acceleration in
Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 video editing application.
http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/systemreqs/

And the NVIDIA GPU acceleration in Premimere Pro CS5 called,
"Mercury Playback Engine" is simply geniously made!
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/premiere-...gh-performance-with-mercury-playback-engine-/

Here is a great demo of what the NVIDIA GPU accel. can do on a Mac Pro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foLxsL5RU6k

...Long live NVIDIA Graphics cards on Mac's
...Apple, go homewith your stiff upperlip!!! :(
...A Mac Pro is for a PRO Graphics Card, ... that's a NVIDIA card!!! :cool:


Best regards
Jesper, Denmark.
 
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