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Mac OS X 10.6.8 to Remove MacDefender, Get Mac App Store Ready for Lion

KnightWRX said:
In Snow Leopard, the first time you ran a Rosetta app, the OS prompted you to install it to run the legacy application. These users, if they are running Snow Leopard already got a warning.
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Any many of them won't remember seeing the warning or installing Rosetta a year or two later. I'm not talking about the users who read MacRumors and similar sites and are well aware of the issue - we're a minority of the installed base.

It's funny that Apple's OS 10.6 help page on Rosetta installation has a link to their "Rosetta website." Clicking on that link redirects to Apple's main Mac page.
 
Roller said:
Any many of them won't remember seeing the warning or installing Rosetta a year or two later. I'm not talking about the users who read MacRumors and similar sites and are well aware of the issue - we're a minority of the installed base.
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Then those users will just either have to stick with Snow Leopard or upgrade their apps. None of those PPC apps are required or have no Intel version/Intel equivalent.

Why would those users pay for OS upgrades and yet never bother to upgrade their apps ?

I'm thinking the kind of users you're talking about here don't bother upgrading their OS either.
 
Roller said:
Any many of them won't remember seeing the warning or installing Rosetta a year or two later. I'm not talking about the users who read MacRumors and similar sites and are well aware of the issue - we're a minority of the installed base.

It's funny that Apple's OS 10.6 help page on Rosetta installation has a link to their "Rosetta website." Clicking on that link redirects to Apple's main Mac page.
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Throughout all OS history users have had to decide what is more important.

Whether everything works and no money needs to be spent?

Or, have the latest OS and having to upgrade all the apps?

Asking Apple to enable backwards iOS compatibility for everything for umpteen years defeats the purpose of evolving OS development.

Always having the latest means you pay the price.

People play too many head games with themselves. Everything you have is working now.

Lion if it never came wouldn't be missed for what you do!
 
KnightWRX said:
Then those users will just either have to stick with Snow Leopard or upgrade their apps. None of those PPC apps are required or have no Intel version/Intel equivalent.
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True, but they may not know that they have to upgrade until it's too late. In many cases, I bet that they just won't know. Quicken is a good example of this. It (mostly) works fine under Snow Leopard, and unless you take the time to read about it, there's no way to know that it won't run under Lion.

Why would those users pay for OS upgrades and yet never bother to upgrade their apps ?

I'm thinking the kind of users you're talking about here don't bother upgrading their OS either.
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If this upgrade is available from the App Store it'll be easier for people to buy and install than ever before. All I'm saying is that it would be in Apple's best interests to educate users before they take the plunge.
 
Roller said:
True, but they may not know that they have to upgrade until it's too late. In many cases, I bet that they just won't know. Quicken is a good example of this. It (mostly) works fine under Snow Leopard, and unless you take the time to read about it, there's no way to know that it won't run under Lion.
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And again, I doubt users that are unaware of these things will bother dropping money for Lion. Those users are the type to never upgrade anything.

Quicken is available as an Intel binary. In fact, it requires Intel based Macs these days. Bad example.
 
Thunderhawks said:
Throughout all OS history users have had to decide what is more important.

Whether everything works and no money needs to be spent?

Or, have the latest OS and having to upgrade all the apps?

Asking Apple to enable backwards iOS compatibility for everything for umpteen years defeats the purpose of evolving OS development.

Always having the latest means you pay the price.

People play too many head games with themselves. Everything you have is working now.

Lion if it never came wouldn't be missed for what you do!
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Hey, there's still plenty of businesses running Win98 and XP because their software would break under a newer version of Windows.
 
lunarworks said:
Hey, there's still plenty of businesses running Win98 and XP because their software would break under a newer version of Windows.
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Those businesses usually have LTS agreements with Microsoft (and Windows 98 is EOL'd and EOS'd, so those business are sol if they haven't ported by now. I haven't seen Windows 98 in the wild in years) so Microsoft still derives revenue from these to continue support and upgrades.

Where does Apple get revenue from for supporting OS X 10.4 ?
 
Will it include Apple Security Essentials malware protection, or will we have to pay for an upgrade to 10.7 to get that?
 
lunarworks said:
Hey, there's still plenty of businesses running Win98 and XP because their software would break under a newer version of Windows.
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Yes, exactly my point. If it works leave it alone:)

No need to have the latest.

I also have an old Mac PPC, not even G4 OR 5 running 8.6 for only one program and old non transferrable info.
 
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I'm looking forward to seeing a more in depth preview of Lion at WWDC.
 
But have you considered this...

After much thought and deliberation I have determined that the 10.6.8 update to remove MacDefender and all of the subsequent variants along with the pending upgrade to the Mac App Store to be able to upgrade from Snow Leopard to Lion OS could possibly, even most defiantly or if required, "absolutely" be a complete game changer in just how much snappier Safari runs.... IMHO...
 
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KnightWRX said:
Those businesses usually have LTS agreements with Microsoft (and Windows 98 is EOL'd and EOS'd, so those business are sol if they haven't ported by now. I haven't seen Windows 98 in the wild in years)
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I thought nobody used it any more either, until I saw that our machines that take photos for driver's licenses in Maine run Windows 98.
 
Lion should warn users

Roller said:
All I'm saying is that it would be in Apple's best interests to educate users before they take the plunge.
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When Windows users upgrade to Windows 7, one of the first things that the installer does is to take a software inventory and warn the user about known incompatible apps (and which apps have free updates available, and which apps should be updated/upgraded/removed before the Win7 upgrade).

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This check can be downloaded from http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/upgrade-advisor

The Lion upgrade should do the same - it would be evil of Apple not to scan the system for PPC apps and warn users.

Warnings on paper aren't enough - people don't read the documentation.
 
KnightWRX said:
Making it tougher for your standard customers to get the OS because you want to spite your non-customers is quite ludicrous.
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Lol we are talking about Apple Here and predominately Steve Jobs, Face it, if Jobs wants to spite a small minority that in reality makes it difficult for some users but in His reality Field "it doesn't" then you know Jobs will do what he wants to get the result he wants.

If Jobs played a more "engineer" mind role at Apple things may be different, but he doesn't and won't. So if they do release Lion on the App Store and prohibit restrictions for users running "older" OS's (ie: leopard, Tiger) then we can all thank or complain to Jobs about that.....


*** Didn't know about XCode on DVD (I jumped to mac in march 2006) Thanks:)
 
KnightWRX said:
Quicken is available as an Intel binary. In fact, it requires Intel based Macs these days. Bad example.
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No, good example. The last full version of Quicken for Mac to ship was 2007, which required Rosetta. The version that's currently shipping is Quicken Essentials for Mac, which is Intel-native but is missing many features. Hence the extensive discussion on forums like MacInTouch detailing efforts to find a replacement for Quicken.
 
AidenShaw said:
When Windows users upgrade to Windows 7, one of the first things that the installer does is to take a software inventory and warn the user about known incompatible apps (and which apps have free updates available, and which apps should be updated/upgraded/removed before the Win7 upgrade).

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This check can be downloaded from http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/upgrade-advisor

The Lion upgrade should do the same - it would be evil of Apple not to scan the system for PPC apps and warn users.

Warnings on paper aren't enough - people don't read the documentation.
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Exactly right. Although there are ways to inventory your apps and find out how many won't run under Lion, that's too much to expect of most users.
 
The rare appearance of OS X malware is always good fun for the MS fanboy.

Yes we are all doomed to suffer waves of malware any day now...
 
AidenShaw said:
The Lion upgrade should do the same - it would be evil of Apple not to scan the system for PPC apps and warn users.
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You and I both know they're not going to do that. I'd reckon most Mac users would just shrug and say "Oh well, it's all a part of Steve's plan!"
 
AidenShaw said:
The Lion upgrade should do the same - it would be evil of Apple not to scan the system for PPC apps and warn users.

Warnings on paper aren't enough - people don't read the documentation.
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As far as i know if you are upgrading your Mac OS X version it already moves incompatible software to a folder in the root directory. Maybe it's not very accurate, but if they are going to trim any and all support for PPC in Lion it makes sense that all PPC applications are moved somewhere.
 
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