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Mac OS X 10.6.8 to Remove MacDefender, Get Mac App Store Ready for Lion

Roller said:
No, good example. The last full version of Quicken for Mac to ship was 2007, which required Rosetta. The version that's currently shipping is Quicken Essentials for Mac, which is Intel-native but is missing many features. Hence the extensive discussion on forums like MacInTouch detailing efforts to find a replacement for Quicken.
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If Intuit decided to scrap the older, more complete version, there is a reason. Anyway, there's nobody but Intuit to blame for that. Use different budgeting software.
 
The reason malware is so successful on Windows is that so many people who want to find every piece of software and every piece of media for free gravitate to that platform. I've met these types of people. They actually are furious that anyone would think they deserve to be paid for their work. Another thing I've noticed is that these people seem to get the most satisfaction in seeking out and finding the free stuff. They don't end up doing much more on their computer.

Of course going all over the internet looking for free stuff to download is going to increase your odds of getting malware.

This personality type is going to opt for the $300 sort of computer because it is all about minimizing cost. And since Apple doesn't make these sorts of machines, this high risk group winds up being part of the Windows experience.

It is ironic because while many of the people I've met who fit this profile are the most rabid Windows supporters I know, they actually end up ripping off MS themselves. MS is losing a lot of money because of piracy. Way to support your favorite platform!

There are many people who are capable of using Windows safely. But these people can be affected by the high risk users on their platform.

While these occasional pieces of malware pop up for unix and Mac OS, they usually do little damage. A few get affected and the word spreads. The initial brief "infection" of Macs isn't enough to make it worthwhile to frequently target them. I think these are little test trials that are done to see how it goes. If things changed and enough mac users were to get infected then you might see more attempts to spread malware for OS X.
 
ten-oak-druid said:
The reason malware is so successful on Windows is that so many people who want to find every piece of software and every piece of media for free gravitate to that platform. I've met these types of people. They actually are furious that anyone would think they deserve to be paid for their work. Another thing I've noticed is that these people seem to get the most satisfaction in seeking out and finding the free stuff. They don't end up doing much more on their computer.
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Umm that is not limited to windows users. Sorry but that is just so much miss information. That is pretty much something you will find among any OS. Much more so in Windows and OSX than linux.

So please do not spread lies and miss information saying windows users are thieves. I have met plenty of OSX users who feel and act the same way as the windows users you have met and know a lot more windows users who believe paying for the stuff is the correct way of doing it.
 
Does this mean that The Mac App Store update section will replace the Apple Software Update if Mac OS Lion is distributed through it?
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Umm that is not limited to windows users. Sorry but that is just so much miss information. That is pretty much something you will find among any OS. Much more so in Windows and OSX than linux.

So please do not spread lies and miss information saying windows users are thieves. I have met plenty of OSX users who feel and act the same way as the windows users you have met and know a lot more windows users who believe paying for the stuff is the correct way of doing it.
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LOL - I'll try to stop spreading "Miss Information"

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No Windows users are not thieves. Reread what I said. The high risk group of thieves gravitate to the Windows platform and it affects everyone on that platform.

If Apple sold computers for $300 then OS X users would suffer too. But apple only sells quality stuff.

Hopefully MS can end the piracy committed by their most die hard fans.

I remember when Microsoft blamed pirated Windows 7 for the Windows 7 malware:
Microsoft Blames Pirated Windows 7 for Malware Issues
 
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too little, too late

Žalgiris;12653231 said:
As far as i know if you are upgrading your Mac OS X version it already moves incompatible software to a folder in the root directory. Maybe it's not very accurate, but if they are going to trim any and all support for PPC in Lion it makes sense that all PPC applications are moved somewhere.
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The problem with that approach is that you find out *after* the upgrade which programs no longer work.

If something that's broken is essential, then you should hope that you have a good time machine backup from right before the upgrade.

With the downloadable Upgrade Advisor, you know the situation before you even purchase the Windows 7 kit.

How hard would it be to write an application that scans the filesystem and highlights executables that are PPC-only?
 
AidenShaw said:
The problem with that approach is that you find out *after* the upgrade which programs no longer work.

If something that's broken is essential, then you should hope that you have a good time machine backup from right before the upgrade.

With the downloadable Upgrade Advisor, you know the situation before you even purchase the Windows 7 kit.

How hard would it be to write an application that scans the filesystem and highlights executables that are PPC-only?
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I understand that, hoever Mac OS X is not Windows and if you are upgrading from Leopard or Snow Leopard any software you have (except PPC of course) should work on Lion. So maybe Installer should do a quick scan and tell you that. Of course there is problem with Tiger upgrading to Lion, because some apps only work on Tiger and don't on newer versions of Mac OS X (not just PPC apps). What about real carbon apps?

So long story short - the principle is the same here, but the situation is much simpler in Mac OS X case.
 
Can't come soon enough. This Mac Defender garbage in on my computer and keeps resurfacing. I trash everything and get it out and it reappears somehow... bastards.

I'm not sure if it crops up through emails or websites or if some particle of it is still in here and bringing it out again. First time I got it was right after emailing a friend who had it and was flipping out, so I sent links to articles and solutions while looking about the net. Luckily it does nothing more than be a nuisance in Safari.
 
joueboy said:
I would like to upgrade to Lion if my applications are compatible. It's ridiculous that every time I upgrade my system with new OS or just an OS, some of the applications become unusable.
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And some developer's failure to adhere to published programming standards for their applications is Apple's fault how, exactly?
 
MacDefender = trivial. iPv6 + VPN = iCloud.

MacDefender is harmless. Unless you give it your credit info like a total idiot.

The really interesting things in 10.6.8 are the improved support for iPv6 and VPN. iPv6 lets you securely "tunnel" from one internet-connected device to another, even if those devices are behind NAT boxes and firewalls. Perfect for real "cloud" syncing between all your devices.

And, of course, VPN is a method of connecting to a remote LAN securely. Even from an unsecured public network. Again, perfect for securely accessing your "cloud" data no matter where you are, from any internet-connected device.

Sounds like Apple is finishing up the iPv6 / VPN infrastructure for iCloud.
 
KnightWRX said:
Why would those users pay for OS upgrades and yet never bother to upgrade their apps ?

I'm thinking the kind of users you're talking about here don't bother upgrading their OS either.
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The type of users that have older Mac games they like to play that were never ported to Intel.

The type of users that have some software they use that is no longer supported by the company.

The type of users that have some hardware that never had software update to Intel code. Let's throw that hardware into the landfills even though it works perfectly well!!

None of these users ever upgrade to the newest versions of software where available.

Personally, my solution is to keep Snow Leopard around in the short term and see how much of the software I can move to my Windows 7 virtual machine. Longer term, I have some decisions to make.

What I don't understand is why so many people here express glee at the fact that Apple is abandoning/killing off a sizable portion of the Mac OS X software library.
 
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janil said:
What I don't understand is why so many people here express glee at the fact that Apple is abandoning/killing off a sizable portion of the Mac OS X software library.
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Because keeping that support is useless waste of time and money from Apple perspective. And software developers that can't keep up usualy aren't worth it.


For example PPC had it's run and and since Leopard it's supported by Rosetta on Intel Macs (that's since 26 October 2007) if those devs still have no INtel version of their PPC software i don't think it's Apple's problem.
 
ten-oak-druid said:
The reason malware is so successful on Windows is that so many people who want to find every piece of software and every piece of media for free gravitate to that platform. I've met these types of people. [...] Another thing I've noticed is that these people seem to get the most satisfaction in seeking out and finding the free stuff.
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I only use OS X and I like to use free software. Free as in open source or freeware but not as in piracy. I like OS X because it has great free/open source software, which gives me the option to pay via donation, and it is fun to hunt down when you need something. For me, the decision to use OS X is because it represents the most polished alternative to Windows but I use it more like it is a Linux distro, if that makes any sense.
 
Žalgiris said:
Because keeping that support is useless waste of time and money from Apple perspective. And software developers that can't keep up usualy aren't worth it.


For example PPC had it's run and and since Leopard it's supported by Rosetta on Intel Macs (that's since 26 October 2007) if those devs still have no INtel version of their PPC software i don't think it's Apple's problem.
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That's still not a reason to show triumph and tell others that it's a great thing-- simply because Apple makes a decision doesn't mean it's the best thing for people using their products.

It was probably made due in part because of licensing negotiations with IBM.
I don't see much other reason for it.

If Apple wished, they could make it legal and easier to virtualize Leopard/Snow Leopard on newer Macs. That would solve everyone's issues, would it not? Perhaps they will, but I doubt it.

It would be a little like saying that Lithuanian only has a few million speakers, so let's phase it out! (labas vakaras, btw... It's late for you at the moment).
 
janil said:
That's still not a reason to show triumph and tell others that it's a great thing-- simply because Apple makes a decision doesn't mean it's the best thing for people using their products.

It was probably made due in part because of licensing negotiations with IBM.
I don't see much other reason for it.

If Apple wished, they could make it legal and easier to virtualize Leopard/Snow Leopard on newer Macs. That would solve everyone's issues, would it not? Perhaps they will, but I doubt it.

It would be a little like saying that Lithuanian only has a few million speakers, so let's phase it out! (labas vakaras, btw... It's late for you at the moment).
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Labas vakaras 🙂 Mes ir patys greit emigruosim, kad nieko neliks. Jau net ir 3 milijonų neliko.
 
Žalgiris said:
For example PPC had it's run and and since Leopard it's supported by Rosetta on Intel Macs (that's since 26 October 2007) if those devs still have no INtel version of their PPC software i don't think it's Apple's problem.
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Actually, even longer- Rosetta shipped on the original Intel Mac machines in early 2006 with Tiger.
 
janil said:
The type of users that have some hardware that never had software update to Intel code. Let's throw that hardware into the landfills even though it works perfectly well!!
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Then it's all old news, you know. Snow Leopard doesn't have a PPC version so it cannot run on that hardware you talk about.

You can also blame Apple for not supporting m68k anymore, but then again, who cares?
 
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