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Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - What, Where, When, Why & How much

Off topic - Sensors, Nike+ and iPhones

If iTunes 8.2 gets Nike+ as a tab - doesn't that hint to iPhones with Nike+ coming? :)

http://uk.i4u.com/article24869.html which leads to iSpazio translated here :

How and why would you want to have your beloved iPhone strapped to you? If true, it'd certainly mean a market for waterproof casings... Sweat, rain, and knocks... But if it was nestled up on a treadmill? Or on a decent (Belkin) Armband perhaps? Or maybe Apple has a patent for a sling? Thread here.

In other news, Google's Zeitgeist event is on. They're demoing video chat in GMail. Does RTP, XMPP (Jabber format). Where Google leads, Apple follows? Who knows. Doesn't OS X Server iChat run off Jabber/XMPP?

The ability to do a presentation, show a movie, or photo slideshow over a phone sounds fun to me. Maybe in Lion? Till then, all we're promised for SL iChat Server is a
calendaring and scheduling service based on open standards, was the first commercial CalDAV calendar server. Snow Leopard Server follows up with the next major release of iCal Server, which includes group and shared calendars, push notifications, the ability to send email invitations to non-iCal Server users, and a browser-based application that lets users access their calendars on the web when they’re away from their Mac.
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Jabber based iChat for WWDC then, or is this the May madness rumor mill? Does PNS run off Jabber? Or for delivering push mail notifications to the iPhone?
 

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Not sure if anybody has mentioned this, but concerning the possible skin change we might see on June 8 ...

Apple has often times changed the look of its software to match its hardware. In the days of brushed aluminum, OS X looked somewhat like brushed aluminum.

We now have iPhones, iPod Touches, iMacs and Displays that have a solid, clean black element prominently in them, and QuickTime X (first to have brushed aluminum) has that black window.

Perhaps 10.6's skin will have black window bars?

Pure, wild speculation - but boy is it fun.
 
cthielen said:
Not sure if anybody has mentioned this, but concerning the possible skin change we might see on June 8 ...

Apple has often times changed the look of its software to match its hardware. In the days of brushed aluminum, OS X looked somewhat like brushed aluminum.

We now have iPhones, iPod Touches, iMacs and Displays that have a solid, clean black element prominently in them, and QuickTime X (first to have brushed aluminum) has that black window.

Perhaps 10.6's skin will have black window bars?

Pure, wild speculation - but boy is it fun.
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It's like they've half way implemented it - if you go back a page, you can see some screenshots from the LeopardOctober videos. You can see Aqua blue scroll bars. mixed with brushed aluminium style visuals, and then the darker 10.6 / iTunes style colors.
E.g. Quicktime X window dark/black, but the information box for it is brushed Aluminium. I'd imagine at some point, it'll start moving quickly, along with the finder to the darker colors. We'll see.

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I guess round about the 23rd if it's going to be a fortnight from the 10A354 build release?
 
t0mat0 said:
If iTunes 8.2 gets Nike+ as a tab - doesn't that hint to iPhones with Nike+ coming? :)

http://uk.i4u.com/article24869.html which leads to iSpazio translated here :

How and why would you want to have your beloved iPhone strapped to you? If true, it'd certainly mean a market for waterproof casings... Sweat, rain, and knocks... But if it was nestled up on a treadmill? Or on a decent (Belkin) Armband perhaps? Or maybe Apple has a patent for a sling? Thread here.

In other news, Google's Zeitgeist event is on. They're demoing video chat in GMail. Does RTP, XMPP (Jabber format). Where Google leads, Apple follows? Who knows. Doesn't OS X Server iChat run off Jabber/XMPP?

The ability to do a presentation, show a movie, or photo slideshow over a phone sounds fun to me. Maybe in Lion? Till then, all we're promised for SL iChat Server is a


Jabber based iChat for WWDC then, or is this the May madness rumor mill? Does PNS run off Jabber? Or for delivering push mail notifications to the iPhone?
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The 2nd gen iPod touch has had Nike+iPod since it's release last September. Apple certainly would have added it into iTunes back then if they were planning to.
 
Ivan P said:
The 2nd gen iPod touch has had Nike+iPod since it's release last September. Apple certainly would have added it into iTunes back then if they were planning to.
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By that logic, my iPhone should do MMS. And video ;) It will have given the Touch roughly 10-12 months of having a feature prior to the iPhone. There's a debate about which iPod/Touch/iPhone gets what software and hardware feature on the iPhone subforum - will try and find the thread.

Whatever happened to Psystar's 18th May deadline regarding Alsup's issued order "compelling Psystar to produce all documentation used to produce P&L statements and aggregated financial statements, all attachments to previously produced e-mails, as well as copies of bank statements from April through September 2008, by May 18" ?

Quite funny seeing macnn try and puzzle over the icons here: It was actually about the Nike+ icons getting European protection.



If you're following this thread - I suggest you check out this thread linked by this AppleInsider article about Snow Leopard. 30 odd pages, and mostly if not all in French. Interesting to see the vBulletin in different colours and using another language :)

Discusses
QuickTime X Screen Recording
New Image Capture App
Universal Keyboard Shortcuts (with preference panes showing a convergence of UI )
Advanced Security Options
Chinese Handwriting Recognition video
and another general video

Looks like the interface is getting more and more touch friendly.


What if ChinaBrick was an unibody 10 inch tablet? Seeing as it'd be an extension of the iPhone - but have a multi-touch OS?
The "brick" meant the piece of aluminium previously - but many were pointing to the brick meaning a lack of wi-fi...
 
Article on the 9th May 10A255 seed of 10.6 (cheers to MikhailT for pointing out the article).

Kawai is a regular at OSNews:

The article is purportedly on 10.6 seed 10A355. The rest here is basically a condensed version of the quite long article missing some parts, so go check the full version out if you desire.

That 10A354 is API complete, I agree with him, is potentially being misunderstood. The APIs are not such a shifting target,

Kawai believes can't rule out that:
- some of the applications bundled with the operating system changing
- the look and feel of the operating system changing
- applications and bundled kernel extensions changing

Saying that it's possible for Apple to implement features which they might have held off until the APIs had stabilised

Same start montage currently.
Installer taking about 15 minutes.
Total install size, (with all possible features selected - stated as 10.12GB (though after installer finished, total amount used reporte d as 8.92GB).
Mixture of Universal & Intel binaries in the OS X installation and some interesting appearance of armv6
(Not sure the significance. iPhone & iPod touch currently powered by the ARMv6 architecture, but expected to move to armv7 as used in the single-core ARM Cortex-A8 & the multicore ARM Cortex-A9.)
Features added but no visual changes from the get-go (this might be a WWDC event in that build)

Installed Extensions:

2 32bit extensions being loaded (AppleIntelGMAX3100 & AppleIntelGMAX3100FB). Only part that is 64-bit "is the OpenGL portion of the driver but the AppleIntelGMAX3100VADriver.bundle along with AppleIntelGMAX3100 and AppleIntelGMAX3100FB."
Could be obfuscation (with many rumors coming from working out things from extensions and strings in existing extensions), could be awaiting to still working on the code (or both).

GMA950 drivers are also 32 bit only as well

12 of the Universal extensions used by Mac OS X 10.6 include armv6 compiled into it. 7 of them are 64bit, 5 are only 32bit.

Applications:
QuickTime X has moved from the old Carbon Framework to the new Cocoa based Quicktime Framework. "I have a feeling that the whole application has been re-written from the ground up."
Agreeing that it's been dumbed dow (e.g. see export/save as options - much reduced, no codec settings (which would hint this is bringing QT export features to the masses)).

No 64bit iTunes yet.
iChat upgraded to 5.0, DVD Player is 5.2 (& uses the new DVD Playback framework (64bit))

Pretty good backwards compatibility reported - (eg Handbrake, Office 2008, Adium)
XCode 3.2 bundled with the image

Within the Applications and System directory many of the services are now Intel only which include Finder.app, SystemUIServer.app, however, there are still components that include ppc code - "although the amount in megabytes is minute I question why they are still there - will we eventually see this stripped as the development goes further on?"


Summary - little in the way of user visible changes. This might lead one to think that the WWDC seed is where things will change, once they've previewed some unforeseen/less well known changes.
 
Upgrade with GPUs?

I wonder if OpenCL/ Grand Central will be able to utilise idle GPUs. Upgrade your MP's crunching capabilities by filling the PCI slots with otherwise obsolete, still OpenCL ready, cards?! Sounds great to me.
 
mmulin said:
I wonder if OpenCL/ Grand Central will be able to utilise idle GPUs. Upgrade your MP's crunching capabilities by filling the PCI slots with otherwise obsolete, still OpenCL ready, cards?! Sounds great to me.
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Utilize idling GPU? It would use GPU whenever there's something that has to be processed. Unless your question is, will OpenCL use ALL GPUs available as a pool instead of just main GPU and leaving the rest of GPUs alone then that is a good question. It all depends on how SL abstract the graphics subsystem, the motherboard supporting SLI kind of setups, and the drivers.
 
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Utilize idling GPU? It would use GPU whenever there's something that has to be processed. Unless your question is, will OpenCL use ALL GPUs available as a pool instead of just main GPU and leaving the rest of GPUs alone then that is a good question. It all depends on how SL abstract the graphics subsystem, the motherboard supporting SLI kind of setups, and the drivers.
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Right, "idle" was a bad choice of words in this respect.
 
Folding at Home is likely to get a boost, if we're talking using idle or downtime. The ability also to put a task on in the background at a low priority might also be possible, if the user isn't normally fully utilising their machine's capablities
 
Regarding Adium on Snow Leopard as mentioned above, for those trying it I would definitely suggest the 1.4 betas, or at the very least the recent 1.3.4 release.
 
t0mat0 said:
By that logic, my iPhone should do MMS. And video ;) It will have given the Touch roughly 10-12 months of having a feature prior to the iPhone. There's a debate about which iPod/Touch/iPhone gets what software and hardware feature on the iPhone subforum - will try and find the thread.
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Sorry but can you please try and rephrase it, I've read it about 5 times and I cant fully understand what you're trying to say :p

I just think that Apple would have already had Nike+iPod as a feature in iTunes before now if it was going to happen. The nano has supported it for years, and the iPod touch from last year was the first iPod/iPhone product to have it all built into the device (not to mention it was when Nike+iPod made it's debut on iPhone OS). I personally feel that were Apple going to add this sort of thing into iTunes they would have at least done it with the debut of iTunes 8 - I don't understand why they'd hold off until the new iPhone if one of their products running the same OS already has that feature...
 
Ivan P said:
Sorry but can you please try and rephrase it, I've read it about 5 times and I cant fully understand what you're trying to say :p

I just think that Apple would have already had Nike+iPod as a feature in iTunes before now if it was going to happen. The nano has supported it for years, and the iPod touch from last year was the first iPod/iPhone product to have it all built into the device (not to mention it was when Nike+iPod made it's debut on iPhone OS). I personally feel that were Apple going to add this sort of thing into iTunes they would have at least done it with the debut of iTunes 8 - I don't understand why they'd hold off until the new iPhone if one of their products running the same OS already has that feature...
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The 2G iPod Touch has had Nike+ iPod since it's release in 2008. True, but then the nano's had the Nike+ since 2006. So using that logic, we should have seen it 3 years ago, right?
MMS is an example of something Apple has taken a long time to do (like cut and paste) for the software to catch up. Using the same logic - "it's not here by now, so it won't ever happen", you'd have to also rule out the Tablet, as rumors go back to 2006 as well.
Guess they have been biding their time? :)

iTunes - the main gateway to buying music, film, syncing your iPod, iPhone etc is conspicuously absent from the 10.6 page. I'd imagine they might have been waiting for a critical mass for the feature - by adding it into iTunes now that they've starting with the Accessory framework, (wireless connections, external acccessories using the connector etc) they've got much more of a market.

Look at what's happening at CES - (they're saying) 4 fold increase in iLounge. Part of that is natural fallout from MWSF changes. Maybe vendors already know they have NDA'd accessories in the pipeline by then, and that they want stall space for them?
They're adding leading Mac developers and retailers as well as "manufacturers and retailers of iPod and iPhone accessories, related products and services".

Are we looking at a seed today? June 8th a monday, so we're only 2 weeks and a bit away from WWDC...
 
Does anyone know if SL is going to have better AVCHD support? I'm quite sick of my Windows 7 box playing my raw AVCHD files amazingly well with media player, and my OSX desktop being absolutely abysmal at this.
 
Just the videos got C&D'd - Most followups on the story of the videos had some 10.6 pictures up. eg http://macmagazine.uol.com.br If Apple had wanted the pictures down, presumably they'd have asked at this point.

I'd imagine they might want to ask AppleInsider first - http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/05/19/more_of_apples_snow_leopard_caught_on_camera.html
http://macmagazine.uol.com.br/blog/...s-com-novidades-do-mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard/
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...tube_videos_show_off_apples_snow_leopard.html

Appleinsider shows very similar shots to above on this page.

Yes Apple could send C&D letters - but wouldn't they have done that to macmagazine at the same time as getting the videos down from LeopardOctober? Wanting to be on the right side of legal on this though :) If Apple really wants to C&D, they request can't they? Or do we get our knuckles rapped if Apple gets involved?
 
Does anyone know if Snow Leopard's g++ supports more locales than "C" and "POSIX"?

I'm pretty upset Leopard's doesn't support UTF-8 locales.
 
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