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being newish to osx are the current macbook pors 64-bit capable

also what kind of performance increase would i see on a 2.4Ghz C2D with 2gb ddr3 ram in SL compared to leopard now
All the MacBook Pros since Rev C are 64-bit capable (the ones with Core 2 Duos). Performance increase is unknown at this time.
 
being newish to osx are the current macbook pors 64-bit capable

also what kind of performance increase would i see on a 2.4Ghz C2D with 2gb ddr3 ram in SL compared to leopard now

Yes the Macbooks became 64*bit capable when they started using Merom/Core2 Duo processors.

So really only the first couple of releases of Intel based Macs used 32*bit Core Duo procs.

SL is going to be faster is my guess. Probably by %10 overall but you wouldn't really notice such a small advantage unless you had a stop watch. What you will probably notice is how smoothly the system runs and how it "beachballs" less.
 
Thanks everyone

sounds good to me :D my mbp is only about 5 weeks old and i get the beachball quite alot when doing simple tasts
 
i have a question that didn't get answered in another thread: what does the A in 10A380 stand for? alpha?

Not alpha; it's the first minor version of 10.6 (i.e., 10.6.0). For example I'm running 10.5.6 (still) on my Macbook, and it is build 9G55.

The letters don't always correspond exactly to release versions – they may be used for other reasons – but it's pretty close. For more information see:
http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=33
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1159
 
just as a refresher for those that may not remember from 10.5's release, when was the gold master announced? was it mid september-ish? other final pre-release details that may be important? thanks.
 
Great Thread

Consensus on when it is to be released is on Monday or Tuesday. So we will wait and see, I would definitely say it will come out during WWDC. :apple:
 
Consensus on when it is to be released is on Monday or Tuesday. So we will wait and see, I would definitely say it will come out during WWDC. :apple:

You are setting yourself up to be very disappointed. Then again, most people here do that. They believe every unlikely rumor, then complain when it doesn't come true.
 
Keynote only a few hours away

Macrumors rumor roundup hereApple can't fit and doesn't want to it every upcoming update bump refresh & improvement into the WWDC keynote.
With Jobs likely to officially come back post WWDC (likely, but he could make an appearance (quite unlikely he'll be presenting today)) - there's enough for a Jobs led Apple event at Apples choosing. If they save the return of Jobs for that event they guarantee a lot of press coverage - we'll see.

Will an iPhone v3 or Snow Leopard preview take up the most limelight? Is OS 3.0 ready for release? It makes sense for Apple to at least preview the new handset and then they can get an updated SDK out, an update/ release of 3.0 out too.

Anyone else feel iTunes has escaped scrutiny about 10.6 updates? I'd imagine an update will come alongside new iPhones & Touchs.

Some big bingo card square words for 10.6:
GPGPU (Using the GPU for General Purpose Processing)
OpenCL
Grand Central (Dispatch)
Marble ( new theme look to get rid of Aqua)
Nvidia
parallelism / concurrency
Amazing
Best Ever
Ground breaking
$129
Free upgrade
PPC
64 bit
Native support

For all we have seen about Snow Leopard, this is a preview akin to Leopard's prior to it's release. It might be worth comparing the keynote for Leopard in comparison to it's release and Snow Leopard.

See y'all on the forum as it goes ballistically busy!
Boot Camp update

Daring Fireball's John Gruber WWDC predictions:
SNOW LEOPARD

The big question with Snow Leopard isn’t with regard to technical details, but its marketing. Starting with version 10.2, previous major updates to Mac OS X have sold for $129, and were marketed almost entirely based on their new features. Apple has explicitly made clear that with Snow Leopard its focus was not on adding new features but rather on improving and optimizing existing ones — shoring up the foundation of the core OS shared by the Mac, iPhone, Apple TV, and future products to be named later. I think this was a great idea. OS X is here for the long haul — it is the foundation of Apple’s entire business for the foreseeable future.

But how do they sell Mac OS X 10.6 to consumers if it doesn’t bring major new features? Here are the options I see:

Sell it for $129, just like previous major updates. Advertise it as faster and better. If it doesn’t sell as well as 10.5 Leopard did, well, so what? Slow uptake would be an irritation for developers who want to ship software that depends on 10.6-specific APIs, but it wouldn’t be the end of the world. And who knows? Apple has never tried selling a full-priced OS update based on something other than new features — it might sell as well or better than 10.5 did. Maybe it’s not true that people only pay for features upgrades.

Sell it for a lower price, say $59.

Sell it for a nominal price, say $19. I think free is out of the question, if only because of Apple’s interpretation of U.S. accounting regulations. They give iPhone owners free OS updates because they use subscription-based accounting for iPhones. They charge iPod Touch owners for the same OS updates, because iPod Touches aren’t accounted for on a subscription basis. The Mac is like the iPod Touch in this regard, so I think a free Snow Leopard isn’t possible.

The risk with options 2 and 3 is that it might make it more difficult for Apple to go back to charging $129 for 10.7 and beyond. But Apple is not Microsoft. OS upgrade revenue is a nice extra for Apple, not a core part of its business.

The wildcard with Snow Leopard would be if Apple were set to unveil some sort of heretofore secret new features, features which they could then use as the basis for an advertising campaign and the regular $129 price. But from everything I’ve heard, Snow Leopard development is winding down — they’re tying off loose ends and fixing bugs.

I have no idea how Apple is going to play this.

MARBLE

The other X-factor is “Marble”, the rumored redesign of the entire OS’s visual appearance. Could that be the secret Snow Leopard “feature”? Six months ago that’s what I was expecting: that from an engineering point of view, Snow Leopard’s changes would be low-level, but that by making everything look all-new, Apple would have an obvious way to sell it to consumers as something worth paying for. If it looks new it is new, from a normal person’s perspective.

But while I am convinced that “Marble” is a real design project at Apple, I no longer believe it is slated for Snow Leopard. A new visual appearance isn’t something Apple can spring on third-party developers at the last moment. If they plan to ship Snow Leopard soon — say, by the end of August — that just isn’t enough time to allow developers to update their software to look good under a new UI theme. (There’s also the problem of creating software that looks good under both the new and old themes.)

So my hunch is no Marble for Snow Leopard — that it’s now a 10.7 thing. But I’d never bet too much money on the side of Apple accommodating the needs of third-party developers.
 
Pictures as they come...
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$29 for Snow Leopard!!!
 
Release Date: Sept 2009
Price: 29$, 49$ for Family Pack


Extra Features in SL for Safari, Crash Resistance and 64bit JS.


Oh man, SL is going to be my first time buying an OS in my life. (most of my licenses were bought together with new products or licensed from school/work).

I didn't think they would demo SL well but from what i hear, they did a good job so far.

iPhone part of the keynote is a rehash.

The new mac updates are frigging awesome too!! This keynote is better than the last two keynotes from Apple.

Can't wait to watch the video later in the day.
 
29$??!!! That's a firestorm! That combined with my super cheap copy of Windows 7 (yeah 65$!) I'm going to have a crazy awesome computer!
 
i dont get it.. what happens if im a tiger user? do i have to buy leopard and then buy snow leopard?
 
Is that September 1st...or September 30th for the release!!! You would think they would be smart enough to actually know by now when it'll be released!! After all, they've had a year to get it ready for release!! :rolleyes:

The only good new info is the price!! :D
 
All and all one of the better keynotes. I'm happy across the board. Although I had hoped video would also be part of iPhone OS 3.0 but I guess they need to have some selling features on the 3GS.
 
i dont get it.. what happens if im a tiger user? do i have to buy leopard and then buy snow leopard?

According to news site around, Apple said Tiger users can buy the 169$ Mac Box set which includes SL/iWork/Ilife. I don't know for sure if you can just buy 29$ copy instead.

The biggest thing to remember is that it is Intel only.

Is that September 1st...or September 30th for the release!!! You would think they would be smart enough to actually know by now when it'll be released!! After all, they've had a year to get it ready for release!! :rolleyes:

The only good new info is the price!! :D

They are giving themselves one month to play with. A lot of that depends on how far they get with the final DP copy today at WWDC. They need to now optimize and fix all the remaining bugs over the next two months. They only need two weeks to push the GM to retail.
 
Hi,
I want to buy my first Mac and I was ready to buy it in February, then I found out that SL is going to be ready in first quarter ,so I waited until now and here we go…I have to wait another 3-4 months…:(
What would you suggest, should I buy it now and then upgrade to SL later, or should I wait until September?

I’m asking because I’ve never used Mac before and I’ve been PC user …

Thanks.
 
Hi,
I want to buy my first Mac and I was ready to buy it in February, then I found out that SL is going to be ready in first quarter ,so I waited until now and here we go…I have to wait another 3-4 months…:(
What would you suggest, should I buy it now and then upgrade to SL later, or should I wait until September?

I’m asking because I’ve never used Mac before and I’ve been PC user …

Thanks.

Well if you can't afford a $29 upgrade, I'm not sure why you're planning on getting a mac
 
Hi,
I want to buy my first Mac and I was ready to buy it in February, then I found out that SL is going to be ready in first quarter ,so I waited until now and here we go…I have to wait another 3-4 months…:(
What would you suggest, should I buy it now and then upgrade to SL later, or should I wait until September?

I’m asking because I’ve never used Mac before and I’ve been PC user …

Thanks.

If you buy it now, it's only $10 to upgrade.
 
OK, I have been reading this thread for several months now and it has been fascinating and informative. Please excuse the ignorance on my end but I ask the community what, if any, benefit I would experience running SL on a 1st generation Intel MacBook with 2 GHz Core Duo and 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM? I haven't yet transitioned to Leopard, and if I do, I'm wondering if I should spend the extra $29 bucks or save for a new machine/processor.

Thanks in advance for ya'lls patience.
 
OK, I have been reading this thread for several months now and it has been fascinating and informative. Please excuse the ignorance on my end but I ask the community what, if any, benefit I would experience running SL on a 1st generation Intel MacBook with 2 GHz Core Duo and 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM? I haven't yet transitioned to Leopard, and if I do, I'm wondering if I should spend the extra $29 bucks or save for a new machine/processor.

Thanks in advance for ya'lls patience.
Snow Leopard will improve performance on ALL Intel Macs - even older ones like yours. Since you're on Tiger, you do NOT qualify for the $29 price - you would have to pay the usual $129 instead. Note that the first generation Mac Minis will see barely any performance boost, due to not even being dual-core. The more modern your Mac, the more dramatic the improvement, though.
 
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