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Mac OS X 10.6 to Debut at WWDC 2008?
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But not if OS S 10.6 Coon Cat has 3D interface, holographic visual displays and reads you mind for auto complete
Let's see...
XP had Program Access Defaults, USB 2.0 support, .NET framework support, bluetooth support, enhanced security...
I could go on but you see the point. These updates were free.
Disagree. Name the differences and I'll explain why. Whilst you're at it explain why they couldn't be consolidated. As for 10.3 and 10.4, rubbish. Tiger and Leopard maybe, but Panther and Tiger? Please.
Yup, they do.
And, let's be honest here, 10.3 and 10.4.
[qquote]And Vista is just flying off the shelves onto peoples existing PC's.[/quote]
But that's just the point. PC users don't have to upgrade because there's no need to until a new PC is bought. I'm going to guarantee you that when most individual PC users upgrade their units - which they do every three years or so - they'll have Vista on it. In the meantime XP does everything it needs to and supports all the applications they need.
PC users don't generally upgrade their OS on new release because there's no need to unless you need the upgraded version for a specific reason like, say DirectX 10 for gamers. This despite the fact that Vista is better than XP. XP is good enough for most people so why upgrade when you don't have to?
Wow! You really do fall for anything Apple's PR come out with, don't you? Obviously Vista's delay was due to the development of WinMo 6.0 then.
Why would Apple build a proprietary MS technology into their next OS? (Has Apple ever done that?)
Could you point me to some info on the upcoming PPC chips? If it is to be based on the POWER arch then you may be a little disappointed (think Cell).
Whenever the next OS X comes out Apple had better re-vamp the GUI - like get rid of the stupid rounded, bubbly, blue, shadowed scroll bars and button elements, etc. These UI elements are so GAY
OS X "catwoman", at least it's going to be a sexy release
I still maintain the idea that 10.6 will be previewed at WWDC because that's what the meeting is all about (developers and not consumers).
And that 10.6 is the last cat we are going to see. Apple, if they play smart, will release OS 11 in time or just before Windows 7, also because of the marketing impact of such a move. Microsoft releases a new OS and so will Apple, otherwise Microsoft might start the mantra "ours is a new version while Apple is still "completing" their OS 10 version. Apple's marketing is too smart for that. MARKETING, I am not talking about which features will justify a change in name.
As for being time for 10.6 (and then start with OS 11).
10.6 is the first OS from Apple which has to take into account, from the start, the whole range of products and services (iPhone (2.0), AppleTV take 2, TouchPad (pinch and stuff)).
These things will be integrated and made similar throught the entire OSX line in a polished and uniform way (they still have to find a suitable FrontRow interface, currently there are 2 (computer and AppleTV).
Also: never thought that the whole "me.com" history might be related in part with 10.6? It might be launched now, but to reach it's full potential the whole system has to take it into account (such as iLife does with .mac).
iPhone, AppleTV, "pinch and stuff gestures", ZFS, Cocoa.... All these things will have to be integrated in a thought through manner in the OS. And that's where the "fixes and security" of OS 10.6 comes from in my opinion. Apple will surely add some "oooooh" factor to push sales (should they decide to sell that version of OS X).
10.6 being done, I personally think it will then be time to develop a new OS from ground up (they are most likely already doing it, albeit in a more elegant manner than Redmont (i.e. without constantly bragging about this or the other feat. that might or might not make it into the final OS).
The new OS should be built around the idea that various "declinations" of it will have to fit different devices, still keeping the same framework and concept all the way. Apple's already doing it well (no programmer but from what I read it is my understanding that they handled the introduction of devices like the iPhone and AppleTV well from a software perspective).
A line between past and future is suited at this point.
OS XI might run in all iPods (increasing the features that are available (Nike + and may others), all iPhones (maybe more than one model), evtl Newton like device, AppleTV and, of course, all Macintosh computers.
That's how I see it and why I think 10.6 is the last...
(sorry for the long post)
I still maintain the idea that 10.6 will be previewed at WWDC because that's what the meeting is all about (developers and not consumers).
And that 10.6 is the last cat we are going to see. Apple, if they play smart, will release OS 11 in time or just before Windows 7, also because of the marketing impact of such a move. Microsoft releases a new OS and so will Apple, otherwise Microsoft might start the mantra "ours is a new version while Apple is still "completing" their OS 10 version. Apple's marketing is too smart for that. MARKETING, I am not talking about which features will justify a change in name.
As for being time for 10.6 (and then start with OS 11).
10.6 is the first OS from Apple which has to take into account, from the start, the whole range of products and services (iPhone (2.0), AppleTV take 2, TouchPad (pinch and stuff)).
These things will be integrated and made similar throught the entire OSX line in a polished and uniform way (they still have to find a suitable FrontRow interface, currently there are 2 (computer and AppleTV).
Also: never thought that the whole "me.com" history might be related in part with 10.6? It might be launched now, but to reach it's full potential the whole system has to take it into account (such as iLife does with .mac).
iPhone, AppleTV, "pinch and stuff gestures", ZFS, Cocoa.... All these things will have to be integrated in a thought through manner in the OS. And that's where the "fixes and security" of OS 10.6 comes from in my opinion. Apple will surely add some "oooooh" factor to push sales (should they decide to sell that version of OS X).
10.6 being done, I personally think it will then be time to develop a new OS from ground up (they are most likely already doing it, albeit in a more elegant manner than Redmont (i.e. without constantly bragging about this or the other feat. that might or might not make it into the final OS).
The new OS should be built around the idea that various "declinations" of it will have to fit different devices, still keeping the same framework and concept all the way. Apple's already doing it well (no programmer but from what I read it is my understanding that they handled the introduction of devices like the iPhone and AppleTV well from a software perspective).
A line between past and future is suited at this point.
OS XI might run in all iPods (increasing the features that are available (Nike + and may others), all iPhones (maybe more than one model), evtl Newton like device, AppleTV and, of course, all Macintosh computers.
That's how I see it and why I think 10.6 is the last...
(sorry for the long post)
To comply with anti-trust law.
So did Apple.
As it shipped about 2 months after XP did, it was fairly obviously because it wasn't ready yet.
True, but its hardly a major change.
True, they basically had to though thanks to Blaster.
EDIT: So we are left with bluetooth support, and possibly the security. However there is no way they'd have got away with charging for that, however much they'd have liked to.
Already done in my last post.
Why do I need to buy Leopard? EDIT: And you're contradicting yourself, you said people are only buying Mac OS X versions because its "new and shiny", but that has been added in spades in Vista and they are sticking with XP.
Got a better theory? Especially as the seeds practically stopped as soon as Leopard was originally announced.
They have on the iPhone.
RE: Mac OS X 10.6 to Debut at WWDC 2008?
My guess is that Apple are positioning themselves for a new release or new version with Touchscreen support. Steve will not want Windows 7 to leap ahead of OSX on the features/capabilities front. Microsoft have announced Windows 7 to be GA by end of 2009... not that it will actually work by then
My guess is that Apple are positioning themselves for a new release or new version with Touchscreen support. Steve will not want Windows 7 to leap ahead of OSX on the features/capabilities front. Microsoft have announced Windows 7 to be GA by end of 2009... not that it will actually work by then
Most commercial PC games, main release games console software, cubase (prob closer to two years), Lotus Notes (although the gap between 7.0 and 8.0 is only a year).
See.
The people who don't pay for things which companies recognise shoud be freely provided.
So it is "Oh shiny!" then?
No, no it isn't because you're not paying for it. See the difference?
Great! When can we see Apple releasing OSX updates for free then?
Then they wait for feedback to see if it worked or not. Something you don't get away with when releasing commercial products. Or maybe so if you look at Microsoft's semi-official habit of beta testin on the public or the fun and games with 'Leoptard'.
As you would with XP original and XP SP3.
Whereas MS did it all in one between Me and XP and charged once for it.
Fine. Your choice.
No, I said XP can handle most things. Vista is better, there's just no need to upgrade at the moment unless you're a gamer.
Nor does Apple sell reduced price OEM versions.
I agree. Both companies understand their markets.
Well they actually do include new features but you're right: No-one would pay for them.
See, there are some sensible people in the world.
I would extend that to "the majority of all PC or Mac users".
It's more stability and conformity than conservatism.
Yup. Agree here.
LOLno. You actually make three points in any case.
Oh I do. I just don't believe in paying for minor bells and whistles every year.
I think you'll find that true for most people.
Really?
*Looks at computer OS profiles*
Nope, think you're wrong there because otherwise every PC user would be upgrading to Vista and they're not.
Right, except the stats show you're wrong. Please don't confuse "you and your friends" with most people, k?
My guess is that Apple are positioning themselves for a new release or new version with Touchscreen support. Steve will not want Windows 7 to leap ahead of OSX on the features/capabilities front. Microsoft have announced Windows 7 to be GA by end of 2009... not that it will actually work by then
End of '09? Add 3 - 6 months on to the end of that. Then they'll begin to strip out anything of substance, like they did with Longhorn. By the time it is ready for GA, it'll be nothing more than Vista SP?, with a couple of free pieces of junk to entice folks, like a new Media player, or a couple of extra clocks for the Sidebar.
I've given up on Windoze. I use it at work, but getting fed up. I've started using my Macbook when possible. It's at about 50% now. Can't wait to get to 100%!
Bingo.
New and shiny means having a few new features like, say, Time Machine and Spaces. It's nothing to do with appearance.
We could argue this back and forth but I really don't think there's much value. You and others are happy getting a new OS every 12-18 months, the vast majority of computer users don't see the need.
Each to their own I suppose.
Examples please.
Looking at their version history on Wikipedia they look like they release annually to me.
What the hell is your argument?
You claimed that Microsoft gives significant features away in service packs for free, well unless you count Bluetooth as a major feature you are wrong.
You claimed that Mac OS X versions didn't add anything significant compared to say XP/Vista, but in Tiger they released a similar number of new features to Vista, even if we count things like WPF which isn't actually in use yet.
Which are actually worth money...
What new features has Vista got for gaming? Direct X 10? It only just is drawing level with Direct X 9 in performance.
the a lot larger gap between Tiger and Leopard is because there were actually two versions of Tiger, PPC and Intel. so there was a lot more work to be done on Tiger than there was for Leopard and future OSs.
i think Steve Jobs now wants to start releasing new versions in a quicker time period that was between Tiger and Leopard.
"Mac OS X 10.6, now featuring resolution indepen... Wait a minute, what's that, iPhone 2? OK scrap that feature."
But on a more serious note, January 2009 sounds good to me as it's right before my buying schedule - although I'm guessing it'll be released a little later than that, Apple would probably want a little more time and people are tighter with money straight after the holiday season. Hoping they refine the UI a bit more (Illuminous would be awesome though), but apart from that Leopard (and even Tiger) is pretty packed with features as it is.
But on a more serious note, January 2009 sounds good to me as it's right before my buying schedule - although I'm guessing it'll be released a little later than that, Apple would probably want a little more time and people are tighter with money straight after the holiday season. Hoping they refine the UI a bit more (Illuminous would be awesome though
), but apart from that Leopard (and even Tiger) is pretty packed with features as it is.Since it's not supposed to be be a bonafide upgrade, it will probably just get a small name change, like snow leopard or something (Haha) The next big update will most likely be called Lion (I don't know if we already knew that) If you go to Wikipedia and search big cats, Apple has used all of the species of official big cats as OS names, except Lion. After that, I don't know what they are going to call their OS because all the big cat names will have been used... could this be the end of Apple!?
PS,
I do like one of the early poster's suggestion of Liger. Although they don't exist in the wild, Lions and Tigers have bred in zoos to create Ligers. They're huge...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
PS,
I do like one of the early poster's suggestion of Liger. Although they don't exist in the wild, Lions and Tigers have bred in zoos to create Ligers. They're huge...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
A new release every 12-18 months strikes me as over the top and I can see it becoming a real headache for developers trying to keep up, as well as my reservations as to whether new features can be developped, tested and debugged in that timescale. Besides, at that rate I'd be inclined to start skipping every other release.
Can't see the move to OS XI coming for some time, surely that would imply something like a whole interface redesign, which I can't see a point to as I'm more than happy with the Aqua/UNIX partnership, personally.
Oh to all the OSX/Linux/XP fanboys looking for a slagging match, how about starting a new thread that you can all go to rather than going over the same arguments on every other thread that's got nothing to do with it?
Can't see the move to OS XI coming for some time, surely that would imply something like a whole interface redesign, which I can't see a point to as I'm more than happy with the Aqua/UNIX partnership, personally.
Oh to all the OSX/Linux/XP fanboys looking for a slagging match, how about starting a new thread that you can all go to rather than going over the same arguments on every other thread that's got nothing to do with it?
Good point. I wonder how much MS would charge Apple for that kind of support in the desktop OS X. It would seem like it goes against Mac Office sales and licensing is lost.
You have to have a separate device license for each mobile device connected. Exchange clients need a license for each user, MS gets money from the sale of Office (Outlook/Entourage) which seems like it would be lost if Apple were to include MAPI support in 10.6.
Whatever the standard rate is I imagine.
Exchange support isn't very good in Mac Office that's the problem, so there is no loss there.
They don't make that many changes each time. My application with 40k lines of code from Tiger worked on Leopard with no changes at all.
Okay, cool..
On a more relevant note, I look forward to a ZFS enabled Time Machine backup system.
The way I see it, if Apple wants to release 10.6 anytime from January '09 to June '09, then this will be the only WWDC where they'll get a chance to properly introduce it to the developers. If I remember correctly, Leopard was talked about at two consecutive WWDC's (and I don't think that went over too well with some people, since the second time around lacked a lot of the 'pzazz' of the first time through). Still, it looks like Apple is more likely to keep pushing the Mac developers to adopt current Leopard technologies by giving a few insights into how important they'll be when 10.6 comes out. That means showing some of their hand when it comes to the new features 10.6 will bring to the table.
Perhaps too we will see some of the well known yet not fully "blessed" developments get the time in the spotlight they deserver, such as Jobs making the final push for resolution independence and talking up ZFS. At the very least, by showing the Mac developers that they are still hard at work putting together a new Mac OS, Apple might avoid bruising any egos. After all, this is the first WWDC where iPhone developers are on an equal playing field with the Mac crews. If we're all expecting half the keynote to be about the iPhone SDK, what exactly are we supposed to expect for the Mac people if not a discussion of 10.6?
Perhaps too we will see some of the well known yet not fully "blessed" developments get the time in the spotlight they deserver, such as Jobs making the final push for resolution independence and talking up ZFS. At the very least, by showing the Mac developers that they are still hard at work putting together a new Mac OS, Apple might avoid bruising any egos. After all, this is the first WWDC where iPhone developers are on an equal playing field with the Mac crews. If we're all expecting half the keynote to be about the iPhone SDK, what exactly are we supposed to expect for the Mac people if not a discussion of 10.6?