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Any PPC vs Intel user statics available?

As per this, the numbers for August 2007 are PPC has 3.33% and MacIntel 2.82%, which would be a total marketshare of 6.15% and a split of 54%-46% (PPC-MacIntel).

Maybe this 10.6 prediction is based upon a predicted stat of 90% Mac users will be using Intel chips vs 10% PPC (hypothetical statistic) by 2010?

From a prudent business approach, there would need to be some sort of analysis like that.

The real wildcard variable is in what are the rates of sales growth going to be over the next 2 years and what percentage of those sales are to existing Mac consumers (not switchers).

The significance of this second requirement is that it doesn't do the (proverbially "faithful") PPC Mac owner any good if PPC support is dropped because there's been a bazillion new switchers, because the only Mac product that was available to them is the MacIntel, so they don't really have any need for legacy compatibility. As such, new unit sales are only half the question - - you need to also be sure that the old PPC stuff is actually getting retired to the junkyard.


-hh
 
Please....

You expect to keep your 7 year old computer to run the latest software? :rolleyes:

And good luck getting Developers to write code just for you...


We all heard the rumors about Apple going to Intel chips. You should have listened and waited to buy your new computer.

Cuz thats I what I did...

Yeah. I do. Even though I own five macs, (all PPC) i expect to be able to run the latest, if stripped down, OS's. I will be happy to give up the ghost on this when OS 11 comes up, just like the death knell for OS9 was fine.
 
Some people will never be happy. Even if 10.6 comes out in 2009, I am sure leopard will still be very usable. I hope Apple isn't stupid enough to spend money on R&D to support a platform that is no longer providing any cash flow. I am sure this will just get the last bunch to move to intel and any stragglers can use 10.5. I mean it isn't like tiger is going to useless starting next month.
 
So 10.6 is expected late 2009/2010.

Is it so wrong that they're doing this? They will still 'support' all the G4 and G5 machines on 10.5 for many years to come. Even if 10.6 *does* support PPC, it probably wouldn't be worth putting it on most machines anyway. It'll probably demand a minimum amount of 2GB RAM which will be pushing the limits of pretty much all but the G5s.

At the end of the day, you'd probably rather run 10.5.26 on a PPC machine than 10.6.0. Most people that declare they'll 'need' 10.6 would probably actually 'need' a new machine anyway if they're still on PPC hardware by that point.
 
Please....

You expect to keep your 7 year old computer to run the latest software? :rolleyes:

And good luck getting Developers to write code just for you...


We all heard the rumors about Apple going to Intel chips. You should have listened and waited to buy your new computer.

Cuz thats I what I did...

Yeah. I do. Even though I own five macs, (all PPC) i expect to be able to run the latest, if stripped down, OS's. I will be happy to give up the ghost on this when OS 11 comes up, just like the death knell for OS9 was fine.
 
There's something I want to say to ye who upgrade rarely: First of all, I am one of you so it's not as though I just don't understand you. I do. I am the owner of an 800 MHz G4 iMac. It was the first of the swivel-neck models and top-of-the-line. It is now 6 years later. The computer continues to serve me well. I use Garage Band extensively and as long as I lock tracks and monitor my system resources, the computer runs just fine. It came loaded with Puma and I've religiously upgraded with each available OS release. Naturally, it's now running Tiger and is certainly slower than new PCs, but it's definitely still operable. (In fact, surprizingly, one of the greatest drawbacks is not the processor speed, but the lack of USB2.)

I have recently learned that Leopard will require a G4> 800MHz, just barring me from upgrading. Does this mean I'm the victim of planned obsolescence? Not at all. My 800 MHz system struggles with Tiger, and would choke to death on Leopard. That doesn't make it an obsolete machine. I will continue to use it, of course, since it still does what I need to after 6 years, whether I have the newest OS or not.

Ye who are owners of more recent G5s will be in a similar situation in about 3 years. Your computers, which will be capable of adequately running Leopard will not be as adequately capable of running 10.6. This won't render your computer inoperable. You'll still be able to use universal applications for a good two more years. That'll put your potential computer's life span at 6 years or more.

6 years, to me, is the benchmark lifespan of a Mac. If I get 6 years out of a Mac, I have definitely gotten my money's worth. (My record was 8 years with a Performa 630 CD and my primary computer, believe it or not.) I know you might feel upset right now that a computer you bought last year might not run Apple's next (next) operating system, but you can still certainly get a good run out of it. Take heart in this.

"Go ahead, Seattle... I'm listening."

-Clive
 
I know most of us on here would like to run the latest and greatest but really this is all about the apps. What OS will applications require? Likely, 10.5 will still be supported by most apps when 10.6 comes out. Thus, if your ppc can run 10.5 just fine you should be ok app wise. Now, when 10.7 comes out or after 10.6 has been out for a year or so you start to see some apps require 10.6. However, all PPC owners will likely be just fine running all those great apps they are today as they will be in 2011 or 2012 when new apps will stop running on ppc computers.
 
Unbunch the undies

Pure Speculation, people. Relax. "Apple may not yet have made a decision on this matter. Apple has made NO announcements about 10.6"

I think they should leave PPCs out when too many important features simply can't be done on the older systems. To say that G5s would be orphaned with "only Leopard" is stupid. Leopard would be a great OS to grace G5s for the rest of their lifespan.
 
I can't believe how many people are saying that it would "make sense".

It would not make sense, and Apple is not going to do it. Think about it, kids: the bulk of the Apple Insider article is about a mere 67Mhz increase in the minimum requirements for Leopard...and why? Because they discovered that it simply wouldn't be performant on lesser machines -- and that's a reasonable expectation, since threading things (like the network stack) does have some overhead associated with it and the older, slower machines are going to be the ones bit by that tradeoff.

But WTF...you think a quad, or dual, or even single G5 at 2.0 Ghz is not going to run 10.6 adequately for some reason? As if. The trend in OSX from release to release is that, on most machines with adequate memory, it gets faster -- not slower. The machines that get slower are the edge cases.

It costs Apple almost nothing to maintain the PPC port of this software (which, you should recall, ran on 040, SPARC, and HP PA-RISC, and now runs on PPC, x86, and ARM and who knows what else in the lab) and they're not going to anger anybody with even a dual G4 tower for a long, long time.

I'd put money on it.
I don't think there is an argument about whether or not it is technically feasible. It is.

That being said, there is a reason that 99.5% of active users are on Tiger, that 84.3% are on dual core systems, and that 83.9% of users are on Intel already. (Source: Omni Software Update Stats). I'll give you a hint --- it's not because Apple makes it easy for laggards.

It's because Apple (like myself) designs things around the idea that it's okay to require somewhat-updated technology, because the people they want as their customers are those who would already have updated technology.

If you look at a myriad of aspects of Apple's business (marketing, for one), you'll see Apple doesn't put much effort into appealing to the "i just want a really cheap machine" market, nor the "i just use my computer for email and web-browsing" market. They exist, sure, and they're comparatively big, yes, but does Apple care about them? Is Apple offended when those people don't buy into their brand? Nope, they sure aren't. Those are not customers worth marketing on board.

That's what I'm trying to say. There's nothing wrong with using a PowerPC machine four years after Apple last sold one. But you are not the customer Apple is going to (or should) design their plans around, and they're certainly not going to give you that impression by implementing legacy support.
 
Do people still use PowerPCs?

Oh wait, I'm on one right now. G4 450MHz. I have to say - the way it still runs is pretty amazing. Kudos to Apple.
 
Makes sense...

Umm no it doesn't. Not in any way shape or form. This is what I find laughable about Apple and the Mac platform and is one of the core reasons why the IT industry will most likely never standardize on the Mac. If MS did this, and they have tried, you would have a mass riot from CIO's world wide. As it stand they tried killing support for windows 98....still have it. They've talked about scaling back support for XP....oops sorry. We're bad. MS's OS support vs. Apple isn't even comparable. I mean realistically we should see support for the PPC until 2010-1012 AFAIC.
 
This is pure speculation and warrants little to no attention. Shame on you macrumors.

As opposed to all those rumors that are based on hard evidence:rolleyes:

I purchased a BRAND NEW 1.5ghz 12" Powerbook in August of 2006. It would be four years in 2010.
How did you purchase a new Powerbook in August? Was it a refurb? I assumed Apple had taken all the left over stock and put them onto the refurb site.

I don't appreciate forced obsolescence from Apple if we cannot run the latest OS on our beloved machines. I am STILL currently buying a last generation PPC iBook 12" because they are GREAT machines.

You'll still be able to use your computer as well as you use it today. Nothing is going to change on your end; all the change will be external to your Powerbook. Hence, if you want to keep up with everyone else, you have to buy a new machine. Why should everyone else in 2009 wait for you because you have a 2005 machine?
 
I think it is a good idea. It would be far better if Apple formally announced it very soon so people have YEARS to plan for it.

Furthermore I really think Apple should release "compatability updates or applications" for OS 8.6 and 9.2 so "older hardware that is still alive and well" can at least use more recent technologies to some degree.

It should both move forward without unnecessary backwards compatibility of new hardware and software, AND, do some minimal things to make old software and hardware able to talk to modern devices.

How much CPU power do you really need for a SAN or a printer station? There is a real chance Apple will be releasing an Air Tunes like device for modern devices that acts as a SAN hub, printer hub, optical storage hub, all wirelessly to your Mac, iPhone and more advanced iPods.

Apple should move forward unhindered.

Apple should have a "compatibility group" dedicated to making legacy hardware owners not feel left out entirely, and heck, charge for it!

Rocketman
 
10.6 is too soon to drop support for the PPC. Even though it will be four years or so after they were no longer sold the total installed base will probably be larger than the installed base of Intel machines. Apple sells the OS so they would get revenue by selling to the installed base. Even though some things might not work perfectly on the older machines those people would have access to some of the newer technologies built in to the OS (sharing, networking, etc.). It is likely that the graphic oriented features would suffer with the older GPUs. Wasn't that the situation with Quartz? Some older machines would not render some animations but they still could run the OS.
 
Great. Forced obsolescence.

Thats one thing I love at MS...they leave it up to the user to decide is and when an OS will and will not go onto their computer. I was able to install Vista on a PIII 600Mhz and it worked reasonably well. It had 768MB RAM and a 40GB HD and a Radeon DDR 32mb AGP card. Mind you it was not Aero capable but still worked. This is a current OS on 7 year old hardware. If a user is content with the speed and just wants the lates OS options, then let them have it. I can easily see this box work with Vista another 2-3 years as long as tasks are kept fairly basic.

There is no reason why a dual 2.5Ghz G5 should not be considered out dated even 2-3 years from now. If that computer has some fast drives and say 8GB RAM, its still a very decent work station. May not be blazing fast by then but it will be fully usable on the latest OS if given the chance.
 
By the time Mac OS X (Laughing Hyena) comes out, I will have already purchased a nice Intel Mac Pro to replace my 933mhz Quicksilver PowerMac. This is great news. Imagine how great OS X could be if they didn't have to make it work on both. I'm all for it.

My Quicksilver already runs pretty slow with my current OS. It doesn't run the new iMovie (or the old one for that matter). This will just be a great excuse for me to tell my wife.

"Sorry Honey, I would love to put the HD movies of the kids on Blu-Ray, but we're only running Leopard. Our processor is old. Time for a new one... IF YOU WANT."

Great news!:D
 
I agree that this is a trial balloon, and while its probably aimed at developers, it is strategically a bad idea right now in the context of the current consumer market.

Specifically, there's a ton of consumer market share sitting on the fence, asking themselves the old "will I get screwed if I change from Windows to Mac?", so for Apple to even tolerate any suggesting of dropping of legacy support at this time is strategically damaging.

Yeah, OK. So let's continue to support floppy disks, serial ports, DB9 ports, parallel ports, and PPC processors because you don't want anyone to be left behind.

Not my point. My point is that legacy support can just as much about perception as it is about reality.

What "fence sitter" is waiting to see if PPC processors are going to be supported into the second decade of the 21st century? They only know Intel because they've had those stupid stickers on every box since the beginning of time. Move on.

You miss my point.

What's holding many 'fence sitters' from adopting is in many cases a "fear of the unknown", and/or false perceptions.

In general, they won't do serious, objective research, but will merely hook onto ANY convenient excuse ... no matter how lame ... in order to stay within their comfort zone of the status quo.

Fear of file incompatibility is an excuse.

Fear of Apple going out of business is another excuse.

And so on.

Here, it is the 'fear' is for discontinuation of support.

And this is where rationality becomes blurred: notice that I said just "support", instead of "PPC support". The dilemma is that while dropping PPC support doesn't affect a 'fence sitter' directly, it does influence their perception as to how Apple operates (how long they stand behind their products). As such, the (potential) dropping of PPC support can -- if not done properly -- invoke a fear of "Apple could drop me like that", which can create a reluctance to buy Apple products.

For example, there's currently a lot of loud wailing going on because the video-out on the newest iPods apparently incorportates a new DRM, and as a result, aftermarket 3rd Party video interfaces have been broken. Right or wrong, Apple is taking some heat, and the visibility of these angry buyers will invariably affect iPod sales for awhile.


Overall, the more expensive the product, the more assurances that the consumer likes to have about it being a good investment.

An aspect of this is in creating consumer confidence that the manufacturer will support their products for a good number of years. One hard part is in picking the appropriate number of years to provide this support. Another hard part is in clearly articulating and educating the consumer as to what 'support' means, so as to manage their expectations. And yet another hard part is in being consistant with one's delivered message.

Some approaches will work better than others; they all have trade-offs. I'm of the general personal opinion that Apple could gain customers if they were to have a White Paper that clearly outlines their principles of operation, particularly if the terms thereon were consumer-friendly...for example, having a stated objective of a minimum of 7-10 years worth of corporate support. Lawyers don't like to make such promises, but that doesn't mean that it can never be done...it just means that its something that Lawyers don't like :D


-hh
 
An idiotic, speculative article based on nothing other than a desire to drum up website traffic to sell ads.

Well, AppleInsider, I guess now that your rumor sources have dried up, you are forced to republish analyst articles and make stuff up yourselves. (Not that the analysts don't do the very same thing.)

Totally pathetic. Why Macrumors is sinking to this level is beyond me. Oh wait, they need to the traffic and views too...
 
[Microsoft had] talked about scaling back support for XP....oops sorry. We're bad.

After using Vista RC1 extensively and playing with my wife's Vista laptop, I am not surprised at all that there was objection to scaling back XP support. Vista sucks. It sucks so bad that it only has 6-8% adoption. 95% of all Windows users are still using XP, and I'm one of them. I'm hanging onto my copy of Vista Ultimate Upgrade ($9 with student discount) and waiting for a Service Pack.

That would be like Apple saying they were going to scale back on support of Tiger starting in 2008.

The Windows 98 this IS pretty ridiculous, though HOWEVER, in college I shared a house with a girl who ran Win 98. We graduated in '06 ;).

-Clive
 
Love the first page of comments. "4 years is long enough" seems to be the norm. That's just silly - it wasn't that long ago that many of you were spouting hyperbole about "the megahertz myth" and how "Macs last so much longer than PCs" (and the corollary "old Macs hold their value").

Given that, for the vast majority of users, PCs/Macs are way overpowered for what they need to accomplish - 4 years of use is nothing. Even after the processor switch, a "slow" 4-year-old PPC Powerbook is very usable even now. That's my daughter's current computer BTW. Her only complaint is about how slow Windows runs inside of Virtual PC - but I was complaining about that back when the machine was brand new. :D

Fortunately I doubt Apple is even considering this. I do realize the rumor sites have to come up with stuff on a regular basis, though, in order to pay the bills.
 
Is anybody seriously suggesting that there'll be anything in 10.6 that a Core Solo Mac Mini will handle just fine, but will be "too much" for a G5 Quad?

Who says that the core solo will handle it just fine? After four years, the first intels will be getting long in the tooth as well.

You're being a little disingenuous, or skimming. Who says? Plenty of kids on the first few pages were implying that all Intel Macs were much faster than all those crusty old PPC dinosaurs. Take another look...

Plus, "fast" doesn't get "slow" as fast as it used to. Look at CPU clock speeds from 2001-2004, and from 2004 to 2007. Draw your own conclusions about what 2007-2010 may look like.
 
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