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Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 at End of March?

pito189 said:
Yes, I will definately agree with my MBP taking forever to come back from sleep.

Also beachballing on programs like Fugu and other small things like iChat. Quit annoying especially considering I have 2gb of ram.
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I've got an intel Mac, only half gig of RAM, I've never gotten a beachball from Fugu. Mac wakes up almost instantly as well, but I am comparing it to Windows. I'd say your issue is not with 10.4 or intel.
 
dmelgar said:
Haven't had a PPC system, but my Macbook seems very fast. I have 2GB of RAM. Rarely beachball. Depends on what you're running. Rosetta applications aren't that fast, thinks like MS Word, Quicken.

I've had a substantial laundry list of bugs with Tiger. Sleeping and waking up is reasonably fast... when it works. Its apparently a very risky thing to plug in or remove devices while its sleeping.
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I am running no Rosetta apps at all and I still have the frequent beachball. Granted, I have a lot of media/data on my HD but my G4 handled that a lot better.
I just have the overall feeling that certain things don't work as well with the Intel chips as they did with the PPC chips.
 
kainjow said:
I just hope that Leopard is noticeably faster on the Intel Macs. 10.4's Intel version feels like a hack :)
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Well, My MacBook is faster than my PowerBook G4 was, and 10.4 was faster on that than 10.2. So hopefully 10.5 will be faster. :)
 
Diatribe said:
I am running no Rosetta apps at all and I still have the frequent beachball. Granted, I have a lot of media/data on my HD but my G4 handled that a lot better.
I just have the overall feeling that certain things don't work as well with the Intel chips as they did with the PPC chips.
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Hmm... interesting. My situation is the exact opposite. I get far fewer beachballs on my MacBook Pro with 2GB of RAM than I did on my iMac G5, with only 512 MB of RAM. I am also not running any Rosetta applications, and I have a fair amount of media/data on my hard drive.
 
Diatribe said:
I am running no Rosetta apps at all and I still have the frequent beachball. Granted, I have a lot of media/data on my HD but my G4 handled that a lot better.
I just have the overall feeling that certain things don't work as well with the Intel chips as they did with the PPC chips.
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What systems (models, not just processors) are you comparing here? I've found that while my G4 mini is substantially faster than my half-the-megahertz Power Mac G4, I actually get *more* beachballs on the mini, thanks to the slower HDD, less capable graphics processor, 1GB ram compared to 1.5GB, and who knows what else. But they're the same architecture and OS X binary. Is your Intel supposed to be superior in every respect or are you comparing a mini to a PM, or a laptop to a desktop?
 
Well, it's 9:55 am, here in Hawaii which would put me roughly three hours behind California time. Would it be safe to assume that absolutely nothing is to be announced today?
 
Gymnut said:
Well, it's 9:55 am, here in Hawaii which would put me roughly three hours behind California time. Would it be safe to assume that absolutely nothing is to be announced today?
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So, go grab yours now. Get it today. Tomorrow it will be out of style.
 
brianus said:
What systems (models, not just processors) are you comparing here? I've found that while my G4 mini is substantially faster than my half-the-megahertz Power Mac G4, I actually get *more* beachballs on the mini, thanks to the slower HDD, less capable graphics processor, 1GB ram compared to 1.5GB, and who knows what else. But they're the same architecture and OS X binary. Is your Intel supposed to be superior in every respect or are you comparing a mini to a PM, or a laptop to a desktop?
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I am comparing a

12" 1.33GHz G4 with a 5400rpm 100GB HD and 784MB RAM

to a

15" 2.33GHz Core Duo with a 5400rpm 120GB HD and 1GB RAM
 
Hey im just as pscyed as the next person and more rumors stating the release date is good and all but didnt we just talk about all this like 2 weeks ago? :confused: :confused:
 
Diatribe said:
There are several people that OS X feels sluggish to since the switch to Intel.
Frequent beachballing on high RAM machines among other things.

I don't remember having those problems on my G4 1.33GHz with Tiger.

Either the Intel version of OS X is programmed really badly or it is something with the Intel procs. I am hoping for OS X but we will see I guess.
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Maybe those people had little RAM - like 512MB. I can say that my Intel machines are all much faster feeling in every way shape and form from my G5 machines.
 
cal6n said:
Just the sort of stuff that I've noticed. I doubt that's the OS. I put it down to EFI being crap when compared with open firmware.
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That's not intel or EFI. Its the graphics drivers and some other things (its in RADAR and supposedly fixed in 10.3.9).
 
BWhaler said:
I agree. I am stunned at how NOT fast the Intel version is most of the time.
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Could you quantify what you mean by this? The OS feels just fine to me but apps that are not universal binaries, and thus use Rosetta, can be slower...the apps that have been created as UBs feel quite nice to me. Apple's iLife06 apps fly on my MBP compared to my G5 iMac. OTOH, Poser 6 is slower on the MBP, but not as much slower as I'd expect. YMMV, but until your apps go UB, the OS upgrade will probably not help as much as you expect.
 
I have a really bad feeling that the "top secret" features mentioned by His Steveness are only going to relate to iPhone and Apple TV. Other than a GUI makeover and Time Machine I think its going to be more of the same.

Even the iPhone had leaks about its capabilities. How the Heck are they keeping such tight wraps on the secret features? I don't think they are. I don't they they exist. Myself, I am prepared to be 'meh' ed'
 
asphalt-proof said:
I have a really bad feeling that the "top secret" features mentioned by His Steveness are only going to relate to iPhone and Apple TV. Other than a GUI makeover and Time Machine I think its going to be more of the same.

Even the iPhone had leaks about its capabilities. How the Heck are they keeping such tight wraps on the secret features? I don't think they are. I don't they they exist. Myself, I am prepared to be 'meh' ed'
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Still dont carry, still psyced for leopard and nothing short of you saying leopard is not going to be apart of OSX but part of some microsoft **** is going to make me not psyced for it. And we all know thats not going to happen
 
andiwm2003 said:
that's my biggest complain about powerbooks, macbooks. they seem to sometimes get stuck in nirvana when you put them to sleep (or wake them up) and at the same time unplug a device or press a button or close the lid. that can be very embarrassing when you set up a beamer for a presentation.
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My G3 iMac had problems waking from sleep running 10.3.9. So did my G5 iMac running 10.4.6. So does my Core Duo iMac running 10.4.8. So does my Thinkpad T40 running WinXP. So does my IBM desktop running Win2k. Everytime I get a new computer, I have this morbid curiosity to see if sleep works. Never does. It's always a crap-shoot. Will it wake up this time? I've come to believe that sleep is just not reliable on any computer running any operating system. So I don't use it. I either leave it on or shut it down.

phillipjfry said:
After that, the slowdown becomes through the programs themselves since they have to support Intel and PPC instructions.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. When an application is loaded, the OS just loads the code section for the correct architecture, and it's all native from there (unless you're running a PPC app in Rosetta).
 
I'm just sick of reading all these rumours about Leopard. The bottom line is, no-one in Cupertino is throwing us a bone and we are all in the dark.

I have my reservations about what is coming. I expect we will see more stuff relating to the iPhone (which I really couldn't care less about) and its integration with OS X.

I want to see a new GUI. I'm bored of Aqua. Yes I know, it's just eye candy but I think Aqua is looking a little dated - just take a look at some of the offerings from Linux (i'm thinking of Enlightenment 17 in particular).

I want to be surprised by Apple (again). I want to be proven wrong. If all we end up getting in Leopard is Time Machine (I can back my data up VERY easily at the moment thank you), Spaces (I really don't need Linux's virtual desktops - Expose is just fine) and bloody notes in Mail then I am just going to cry.

*rant off*

MadDoc,
 
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