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Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 at End of March?

seashellz2 said:
wheres 10.4.9 already?
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Another seed went out today. Hopefully this will be the last one before it goes into general release on Software Update.

Why the hell do I get excited about updates? I used to curse XP for downloading so many patches. Macs are a sick addiction.
 
Sooner the Better

The sooner the better. I thought I would be picking up iLife, iWork, and Leopard in January. I guess I had too wishful of thinking, but I really want Leopard.
 
Diatribe said:
I am running no Rosetta apps at all and I still have the frequent beachball. Granted, I have a lot of media/data on my HD but my G4 handled that a lot better.
I just have the overall feeling that certain things don't work as well with the Intel chips as they did with the PPC chips.
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Next time it's going slow, run Activity Monitor and check there is nothing at all using Rosetta. You might be surprised. When my friend's computer had this problem, it turned out that two dashboard widgets were using Rosetta.
 
akac said:
Maybe those people had little RAM - like 512MB. I can say that my Intel machines are all much faster feeling in every way shape and form from my G5 machines.
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I have to say I ran the first MBP, (my current machine), with 512MB for about a month before I found some bargain memory I was after to put it up to 1.5GB. After the upgrade, it felt faster. Apps opened quicker and I could have much more open at once, which is how I like to work.

However, I still get frequent beach balling. I never owned a PPC Mac, especially one running Tiger. All I have to go on for comparisons are display models at work, both PPC and Intel. Tiger on a 512MB iMac seemed fine for running Safari, word etc. Even iLife on this ran reasonably okay. Switch to Intel and I did notice things were generally faster, but more frequent problems like beach balling occurring.

I just hope Leopard addresses this. I'll almost certainly buy it on launch day, but I would like to see what it will offer me first and get an idea when it will be out.
 
flyinmac said:
The Finder is always so drab looking. It needs some color, some style, etc. It's just too simple. It's actually quite boring to look at.

Sure, it's clean. But, I do prefer a little splash of color in the Finder. That is one area that I really like in Windows.
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I don't know about you, but I prefer interfaces that don't attract attention to themselves.
 
finally some one who understands quality

Lynxpro said:
My time already came....back in 1989... 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Lynx

The Sony PSP is its spiritual offspring...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_psp

I wish it a longer and more successful life...at least it continues the innovation tradition, unlike *cough* Nintendo *cough*, aka "formerly the other tech monopolist located in the State of Washington".
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hey mate, i had both lynx systems and have very fond memories of each though each was the size of a small laptop! i had all the great games and well, i am still in love, emulating them on my pc and as well, hopefully soon on my beloved ds!

i never had sore spot in my heart for the nintendo company.
 
shrimpdesign said:
I don't know about you, but I prefer interfaces that don't attract attention to themselves.
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this too i agree on. it is two tone or multi-grey which is not too toyish. i think apple almost made the mistake of going too toyish with the first iterations of osx which had all the gum drop looking buttons etc.

vista or even xp, tries to work colour in an interface that looks better flat. the widgets etc are quite cute, but as soon as you look at the start menu and bar, all seems out of sync. finder may not have cut or ability to move files from the save dialogue (my favourite windows feature) but at least its design interface is held together by good engineering and never feels out of place though sometimes a little sparce. i love it.
 
I've said it once and I'll say it again.

Take your time Apple. We will still love you if we have to wait till early summer. Work out all the kinks and make it as awesome as we all expect it to be.
 
lamina said:
I've said it once and I'll say it again.

Take your time Apple. We will still love you if we have to wait till early summer. Work out all the kinks and make it as awesome as we all expect it to be.
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I hear you on that one. Apple fans hold strong. :apple: 😎
 
goosnarrggh said:
Hopefully with Leopard going 64-bit, the Core 2 Duo and Xeon variants of the OS will take advantage of the doubling the number of general-purpose registers available so that tight loops don't need to swap in and out of RAM as often.

That alone could offer some significant bottleneck relief. Consider that IA32 and "x86_64-in-32-bit-mode" programs currently only have access to 8 GPRs compared to the PPC's 32. In 64-bit mode. x86_64 processors have 16 GPRs.
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Moving from the IA32 to the AMD64 ISA ("x86-64" is sort of misleading since it is not a strict register size increase but a significantly different ISA) generally nets 15-30% performance boost in the typical case. The reason for the performance increase when switching between the ISAs is only partially due to the increased number of GPRs. For example, the floating point portion of the AMD64 ISA has essentially no relation to IA32 floating point; when it made sense in the design of AMD64, they started from scratch. AMD64 was designed to be efficient on modern processor designs, but with an eye toward easy backward compatibility.

It is worth mentioning that AMD64 ISA (and IA32 ISA for that matter) is considerably more register efficient than the PPC ISA, and so strict GPR comparisons are not entirely relevant. AMD64 probably has little use for more than the 16 GPRs it has. On modern silicon the relatively poor register efficiency of ISAs like PPC actually create a performance disadvantage, which is one of the reasons even out-dated ISAs like IA32 performed as well as they did against RISC. AMD64 essentially kept the best parts of the IA32 ISA design as far as performance is concerned (e.g. using IA32-style CISC ISA) but ditched the outdated/crappy parts of IA32 that were a detriment to performance (archaic register design, obsolete floating point model).

So yeah, switching to the 64-bit environment on Intel should help performance. Which is kind of nice since 32-bit Intel is not exactly slow.
 
Yupper3D said:
It just sucks to think that it meyb be June or July before I can switch. Arrgghhh...
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It better not be June or July! I get married in July and those two months will be savings crunch time where NO money can be spent! April is good though... that's my birthday! 😀

On a separate note, is it recommended to format and install 10.5 fresh or will an upgrade be fine? I'd rather not deal with backing up everything to do a clean install. But what's recommended?
 
Mr Skills said:
Backing up is easy. What's so amazing about Time Machine is the way you restore.
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Agreed. I use backup software regularly, but, if I want to actually restore a single file from a month ago, I need to go back and restore my whole computer to a month ago. All I want is the 1 file, why do I need to mess with the whole computer? That, and the easy ability to find old/deleted files, is why Time Machine is going to be a great addition to the OS. oh yeah, and it looks perty.
 
Mr Skills said:
Backing up is easy. What's so amazing about Time Machine is the way you restore.
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Time Machine is the first thing I plan on deactivating.

Think about it. I delete a file because it is no-longer needed. The whole reason I delete it is to free-up space. But, now when I delete it, Time Machine just stores it somewhere else.

So, now I'm not freeing-up space when I delete a file. I'm just moving it so it's not directly in my sight.

Doesn't really make much sense to me.

Of course, it will make it easier to recover accidentally deleted files. But, usually the files I delete are files I want gone now. Not just moved from their current location.

If I simply wanted them moved in-case I need them later, I could just drag them somewhere else and periodically weed through them later.

Seems like a waste of space to me.
 
justflie said:
Agreed. I use backup software regularly, but, if I want to actually restore a single file from a month ago, I need to go back and restore my whole computer to a month ago. All I want is the 1 file, why do I need to mess with the whole computer? That, and the easy ability to find old/deleted files, is why Time Machine is going to be a great addition to the OS. oh yeah, and it looks perty.
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But, the weakness of Time Machine will be that it does absolutely nothing for you if your hard drive gets corrupted, or fails, or any number of other things.

You need to have a good full system backup on a separate drive or media to prevent such issues from causing you major losses.
 
Diatribe said:
I am running no Rosetta apps at all and I still have the frequent beachball. Granted, I have a lot of media/data on my HD but my G4 handled that a lot better.
I just have the overall feeling that certain things don't work as well with the Intel chips as they did with the PPC chips.
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I think you are just seeing how bad Finder has gotten. It runs poorly for both intel and PPC.

I have a 1.67 G4 PPC PB with 2GB of ram. Finder is a pig. If I try to access a directory via the dock or get a context menu on a folder with a medium number of files, Finder beachballs, or is extremely slow. Finder code is a hack, bloated, and poorly optimized. It needs a re-write and an updated look.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that 10.5 will bring a new finder.
 
Different Hype Goals?

I think that the way Apple wants to play the hype of a new operating system may be different this time, given Vista's recent introduction. When Vista came out it had many of its original features missing. So they may try to have a few extras in the mix beyond what people are expecting...enough to make people want to go out and get it right away. If you see video previews 6 months in advance, features have lost their shine by the time its released...

I agree though, if Finder isn't updated it's going to be a real shame. I'm tired of Finder hanging when I come home from work and forgot to disconnect a server share before leaving (takes ~1 minute to bring up the disconnect prompt).

PathFinder does seem really nice, and could be a good Finder replacement; does it solve the awful network problems?

Right now QuickSilver helps me stay out of the Finder most of the time. Fantastic program!
 
flyinmac said:
Time Machine is the first thing I plan on deactivating.

Think about it. I delete a file because it is no-longer needed. The whole reason I delete it is to free-up space. But, now when I delete it, Time Machine just stores it somewhere else.

So, now I'm not freeing-up space when I delete a file. I'm just moving it so it's not directly in my sight.

Doesn't really make much sense to me.

Of course, it will make it easier to recover accidentally deleted files. But, usually the files I delete are files I want gone now. Not just moved from their current location.

If I simply wanted them moved in-case I need them later, I could just drag them somewhere else and periodically weed through them later.

Seems like a waste of space to me.
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Time machine isn't really intended to backup to the same disk. Theoretically you would have this machine hooked to a FW external drive or another network drive and the file would be tagged by the operating system to move the file to the external drive at a pre-configured time.

If you look at the write-up on Apple's website it specifies that the default back-up time is at midnight and an external drive is recommended.

Your drive space will be freed up when the backup occurs but at the same time you will have the piece of mind that your file is completely recoverable if need be at a future date.
 
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