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Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 GM Candidate Build

GeekLawyer said:
Apple's site still says Leopard is "arriving in October." Not shipping; arriving. Telling?

http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
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Bottom of Apple's Leopard website:
All features referenced in the Mac OS X Leopard website are subject to change.
:)

They can change it to November on Oct. 31st if they wanted to, I figure.
Each week is killing us all a little inside. If not announced this Friday, than most likely next.
I'm starting to think that it will be announced in the next two weeks, to arrive in stores by the beginning of November :(
 
riverfreak said:
It is time for Apple to start digital distribution. I don't want a stupid box I'm just going to throw away, or a DVD I'll never use again. What's the point?
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I bought Tiger on DVD in a stupid box, but I never threw the stupid box out. Why?

Well because I plan on selling the DVD and box on eBay the day I get Leopard. Just the same way I did with Panther, and iLife '04-'06. Can't do that with a digital download.;)
 
Pixbae said:
I haven't seen any yet here in Quito, either. They're still selling the old nanos and shuffles!
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Same problem here in Saskatchewan, Canada. No new iPods in futureshop and a 2 month wait list for new iMacs.
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I never buy Macs from there anyways, always online. It's just a matter of principle though. Maybe a person is "switching" based on a store model, then they find out that they have to wait 2 months for their iMac.
 
i've heard that they will start selling on a specific time everywhere in the world at local time, but does that mean that before that time, they ship every copy to all the countries and then they start selling it?? or is it like the ipod touch where they first announce it, and after a month they still don't have them in some countries??
 
phillipjfry said:
Bottom of Apple's Leopard website:
All features referenced in the Mac OS X Leopard website are subject to change.
:)

They can change it to November on Oct. 31st if they wanted to, I figure.
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This can also be a positive note. Meaning, they can add some last minute "secret" features too. :D
 
Have been holding off buying a new iMac since August, waiting for 10.5 - now I'm thinking iMac upgrade in Jan. 08? ( 10 weeks ) help - its doing my head in!:eek:
 
PeteW said:
Have been holding off buying a new iMac since August, waiting for 10.5 - now I'm thinking iMac upgrade in Jan. 08? ( 10 weeks ) help - its doing my head in!:eek:
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iMacs were just updated, at most a speed bump if anything in January
 
I don't like the sound of this. If I get Leopard on launch day and I get any kernel panics or program crashes I will loose respect and enthusiasm for Apple with each one. I wish we lived in a world where software was not shipped until it had been tested as much as humanly possible instead of as soon as it is as stable as acceptable with the option of fixing all bugs via software updates.
 
PeteW said:
Have been holding off buying a new iMac since August, waiting for 10.5 - now I'm thinking iMac upgrade in Jan. 08? ( 10 weeks ) help - its doing my head in!:eek:
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Whay would you wait 10 weeks to order if Leopard is released in 2 weeks?

If you meant that the imac will get upgraded in Jan 08, I think you're wrong...it will be MBP's and Mac Pros
 
kamiboy said:
I don't like the sound of this. If I get Leopard on launch day and I get any kernel panics or program crashes I will loose respect and enthusiasm for Apple with each one. I wish we lived in a world where software was not shipped until it had been tested as much as humanly possible instead of as soon as it is as stable as acceptable with the option of fixing all bugs via software updates.
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How would that be possible, still after some years tiger still has bugs... so, they can't test leopard years...
 
I sure hope it's soon - I've been holding off purchase of a nice new MacBook Pro for this very reason! Let's hope we hear something definite in the next business day or two.
 
Data is Data

I agree with the arriving not shipping bit, but isn't it possible that apple has streamlined the duplication proccess. I'm sure they have the boxes sitting in the warehouse under lock and key (armed guard??) just waiting for the dvd. A friend of mine works at a cd/dvd duplication Co. here in western NC and he's told me that there have been a few advances in duplication in the past year. They've cut duplication time by 38% on most DVD projects.

Data is data, right... be it movie, audio, or OS code

I'm just saying that the time constraints of duplication might be smaller, thus a GM declaration could be as late as Tuesday next week...
 
vassillios said:
If you meant that the imac will get upgraded in Jan 08, I think you're wrong...it will be MBP's and Mac Pros
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The portable line-up will definitely receive updates before the iMac line sees a refresh, however it's all about timing. If we see new portables in November, in time for the holiday shopping season, then perhaps an iMac update will indeed happen in January. If ity does though, it will be a minor refresh IMO, nothing major.
 
Ah yes, another OS release is on the horizon. :) This should be exciting, although it is cutting it pretty close.

I remember traveling all over to find a copy of Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar, they had a shortage of the family packs. :p But, hopefully things will go smoothly so we won't have to wait much longer.

Hmm... I wonder what (if any) promotional goodies they'll be giving out this time. :D
 
kamiboy said:
I don't like the sound of this. If I get Leopard on launch day and I get any kernel panics or program crashes I will loose respect and enthusiasm for Apple with each one. I wish we lived in a world where software was not shipped until it had been tested as much as humanly possible instead of as soon as it is as stable as acceptable with the option of fixing all bugs via software updates.
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Well as a software developer I can tell you a couple of secrets.

1. No matter how much testing you do in house there will be problems when released to the general public.

2. The more people that the product is released for the more problems that will occur.

3. The more problems that occur the more of a chance that they will not be easy ones to fix.

4. Developing a complex application until it is perfect costs exponentially to its complexity. Unless you are willing to wait for 2015 for OS X 10.5 and Pay $8,000 for a copy. It is not going to happen.

5. Good enough for 90% of the people is the normal goal. Narrow down to 99% during the product life cycle.

6. Modern Software Development tools have bugs of there own causing problems to your program while you did officially follow the specs.

7. For a general purpose application (such as an operating system) it is impossible to figure out all the holes in it.

8. Unlike the Old days software is more integrated with the OS. So problems in the Application mess with the OS and problems in the OS mess with the application. OS Developers have little control what the application developers do.

9. To Keep compatibility you need to use some bad code to be backwards compatible or sideways compatible to other poorly written systems.

10. Hardware manufactures have the same problem thus causing a catch 22.
 
Why doesn't OS X have a serial key, I've always wondered. Is it because it's ineffective without some sort of activation or that it's just a pain?

Apple could go ahead with downloads if they either used their DRM for something reasonable (software rather than music) or just realise that anyone that can install it has already paid them for a Mac, and that anyone that's going to pirate OS X, will do regardless...
 
~Shard~ said:
I sure hope it's soon - I've been holding off purchase of a nice new MacBook Pro for this very reason! Let's hope we hear something definite in the next business day or two.
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Ditto - been holding off on a new iMac purchase, along with a new MBPro for the wife for this. I can't wait much longer!@!!!!!! :D
 
hob said:
Why doesn't OS X have a serial key, I've always wondered. Is it because it's ineffective without some sort of activation or that it's just a pain?

Apple could go ahead with downloads if they either used their DRM for something reasonable (software rather than music) or just realise that anyone that can install it has already paid them for a Mac, and that anyone that's going to pirate OS X, will do regardless...
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Because Apple knows that 1, activation is ineffective in stopping piracy and 2, annoying as hell for people who are honest and do pay for their software. Also, having millions of clients downloading a 6GB+ file isn't reasonable no matter how substantial Apple's server farms may be. Apple is also very smart in their pricing scheme for OS X, shipping the same disc in both the standard and family packs, and only charging a small sum more for additional licenses. Sure, some people aren't honest and don't pay for multiple licenses, but because the option is there and fair, most do.
 
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