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as noted about tiger saying oct 26th...
I went to the macbook pro pages and I noted "15 inches 1-2 days 17 inches 7-10 business days."
Hmmm
Im just adding fuel to the rumor mill :p

~bv:apple:

Sorry, I'm a newbie but can you please elaborate?
 
Im still thinking Oct 33rd-even if they announced today-I doubt they could get stuff into stores *BEFORE* Oct 26.

For inventory reasons, stores usually like to get stuff a couple days early so they can sort out various issues-put ads in print, displays, signs in windows-distribution-and actually HAVE the product in hand. Not nice to disappoint folks.

So really, Leopard should be in stock physically at all stores by the 24th, which is really cutting it close. TOO close.

Cant you see crowds storming a Best Buy, et, al-to be told-"sorry it didnt come in today maybe tomorrow"
Or said employees selling them out of the back of a just-arrived semi-trailer truck in the front of the store on Oct 28?

Steve wouldnt have to fall on his sword if Leopard came out Nov 2-3-
after all, it is STILL a week in October.

And not 23 release announcements and 5 years later, like VISTA
 
Im still thinking Oct 33rd-even if they announced today-I doubt they could get stuff into stores *BEFORE* Oct 26.

For inventory reasons, stores usually like to get stuff a couple days early so they can sort out various issues-put ads in print, displays, signs in windows-distribution-and actually HAVE the product in hand. Not nice to disappoint folks.

So really, Leopard should be in stock physically at all stores by the 24th, which is really cutting it close. TOO close.

Cant you see crowds storming a Best Buy, et, al-to be told-"sorry it didnt come in today maybe tomorrow"
Or said employees selling them out of the back of a just-arrived semi-trailer truck in the front of the store on Oct 28?

Steve wouldnt have to fall on his sword if Leopard came out Nov 2-3-
after all, it is STILL a week in October.

And not 23 release announcements and 5 years later, like VISTA

You forget the only stores getting this are Apple stores...so they are already ready...
 
You forget the only stores getting this are Apple stores...so they are already ready...

Precisely what I was thinking. The Apple stores probably already have, or will be getting this week, all promo material for display. Someone else already smartly surmised that all the regional duplication plants also probably already have all the boxes/packaging already arriving, and its like a giant, coordinated team getting ready to work as one as soon as the GM is handed off to them.
 
Im still thinking Oct 33rd-even if they announced today-I doubt they could get stuff into stores *BEFORE* Oct 26.

For inventory reasons, stores usually like to get stuff a couple days early so they can sort out various issues-put ads in print, displays, signs in windows-distribution-and actually HAVE the product in hand. Not nice to disappoint folks.

So really, Leopard should be in stock physically at all stores by the 24th, which is really cutting it close. TOO close.

Cant you see crowds storming a Best Buy, et, al-to be told-"sorry it didnt come in today maybe tomorrow"
Or said employees selling them out of the back of a just-arrived semi-trailer truck in the front of the store on Oct 28?

Steve wouldnt have to fall on his sword if Leopard came out Nov 2-3-
after all, it is STILL a week in October.

And not 23 release announcements and 5 years later, like VISTA


Oct 33rd? What calendar are you using?
 
I wasn't advocating a serial key - I was trying to state that it was futile to have one, as anyone that will pay for OS X will, and anyone that won't still won't. I'd just like to be able to download OS X when it comes out so I don't have to wait for it to arrive! Also, I don't have any need for a box, manual, anything like that. All a big waste of paper!

The iTunes Music Store has shipped 3 billion songs of around 4MB each over several. That would be about the same amount of data as two million copies of Leopard at around six GB. That's an awful lot of data. Can you imagine what would happen on release day? Demand could be hundred times that of a good day at the iTunes store.

A typical song at 99 cents costs about 25 cents per Megabyte. If we assume Leopard costs $129 for 6 GB, that is only 2.15 cents per Megabyte. That would be a substantial percentage of download cost.
 
That would mean no software would ship, ever. There are a couple of famous mathematical proofs that show that it's impossible to write a program that is totally bug-free, and impossible to write any program with a loop that is guaranteed to exit. Engineering is all about trade-offs.

#include <stdio.h>
int main (void) {
int i;
for (i = 0; i < 10; ++i)
printf ("Welcome to MacOS X 10.5!\n");
return 0;
}

Ok, the Safari spelling checker doesn't like it, but to me it looks bug-free and it has a loop that is guaranteed to exit :D
 
That would mean no software would ship, ever. There are a couple of famous mathematical proofs that show that it's impossible to write a program that is totally bug-free, and impossible to write any program with a loop that is guaranteed to exit. Engineering is all about trade-offs.

That is obvious, as a developer I know it is impossible to write 100% error free code. What I mean is that in the last decade or so the rapid growth of the internet has allowed developers to become lazy and cut loose.

If Apple is still scrambling to stamp as many bugs as possible a mere weeks before their self imposed shipping deadline then surely Leopard could use some more time being tested.

In the old days the software ship date would be moved but now developers just have to get things working to within a acceptable level, which has fallen very low with people being used to bugs and then ship the product and patch it later.

A whole generation of people that grew up with m$'s ****** software have developed a very high tolerance for bugs in their software as well as their OS. I however loathe nothing more than when a program or OS crashes on me without any reason, which is why I finally switched to Mac.

Come release date I would hate for a scenario where Leopard is full of bugs and when it crashes and acts wierd people just shrug their shoulder and say, hey it's just been released so it is normal and I am sure it will be fixed in an update. For windows I expect it but for OSX, no! I expect a lot more from Apple when they claim to be so much better then they should put their money where their mouth is.

I will pick up a copy come launch day and as I said with each crash or kernel panic my respect for Apple will diminish, I just hope Apple will do me right.
 
#include <stdio.h>
int main (void) {
int i;
for (i = 0; i < 10; ++i)
printf ("Welcome to MacOS X 10.5!\n");
return 0;
}

Ok, the Safari spelling checker doesn't like it, but to me it looks bug-free and it has a loop that is guaranteed to exit :D

Yes, but mathematicians smarter than us both have proved otherwise, to great acclaim of their peers.
 
The day that

Apple declares GM there will be 24 hours of sunshine around the world, birds will sing, crying babies will fall silent, there will be a rainbow ending in Cupertino and Bill Gates will suffer a hernia.
:eek:
 
Halloween

Halloween isn't a holiday. It's just a day that was made up so people spend money.

Halloween was my favorite holiday when I was young and single. Now that I have my own kids, it's great to see them in their costumes and to take them trick-or-treating around the neighborhood. We love Halloween at our house. This year, one boy is dressing up as Roo and the other as the Tin Man.

That doesn't mean I can't buy a copy of Leopard on Halloween though...
 
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