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Mac OS X Leopard 9a499 Visual Enhancements

Southernboy said:
Well all this thread proves is that you will never please everyone.

Personally it's growing on me more and more. I could bitch about things, but I'll leave that until it comes out of development. I'm sure there's a lot of refinement to come before October.
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The issue at hand is that Apple doesn't try to please ANYONE. They shove it down your throat and tell you if you don't like it tough [beep].

Apple could shut half the people on this thread up if they would...

1. FTFF

2. Add a theme engine (Like XP and Vista has.) into OS X so people could roll their own GUI. That way for those who like what Apple has to offer they will never touch the settings. For everyone else they can tweak the UI to their liking. The problem is that Apple and Jobs in particular are snobs. As such this will never happen. And people will continue to bitch. Why? Because people have their own tastes in UI. So from the standpoint of Apple they aren't thinking different. They are thinking conformist.
 
Alloye said:
That's just it. When did Steve actually use the term "top secret?" I honestly can't recall. He did say they were keeping some things "close to the vest" at WWDC '06, but that's not the same thing. Perhaps this whole "top secret" mantra is nothing more than forum myth.
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WWDC '06...

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Alloye said:
That's just it. When did Steve actually use the term "top secret?" I honestly can't recall. He did say they were keeping some things "close to the vest" at WWDC '06, but that's not the same thing. Perhaps this whole "top secret" mantra is nothing more than forum myth.
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He said top secret.

Heck. He even stamped it onscreen :p

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At the end of the day top secret was Jobs's code word for features too buggy to demo. I'm 100% certain of this. Microsoft couldn't give less of a crap about what eventually was announced for Leopard.
 
Evangelion said:
File paths can be VERY useful. Want to tell someone where some file is located? Copy/paste the path, and send it in IM or email. Quick and effective. What if you are the recipient of the forementioned email/IM? You can just copy/paste the path to your filemanager and be taken instantly to it. What if you want to enter the filepath to the Terminal?

Your rationale is basically that since Windows does display filepath and OS X does not, then filepath is not needed, since everything Windows has is crap, and OS X only has things that are actually useful and nothing else.

And pray tell: what exactly IS the "Apple's implementation" you are talking about? Like it or not, Apple uses the same paradigm as everyone else does: folders, subfolders and files in a hierarchy.
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Apple's implementation is exactly to tell you about a file path, without giving you the complications of dealing with it.

For 99% of the cases, it's not necessary and just a waste of screen real estate. Even on the PC at work, I have perhaps used it ONCE to set up a new printer, as Windows can't really show you the easy way.

If I wanna send someone a file, I DRAG and DROP. If I wanna mail someone a file, I DRAG and DROP. And if you need constant access to an online folder, just make an alias. That's how Apple works for normal people.

Alternatives today?

http://www.macworld.com/forums/ubbt...d=macgems&Number=499696&page=0&view=collapsed
 
SiliconAddict said:
He said top secret.

Heck. He even stamped it onscreen :p

wwdc06_top_secret.jpg


At the end of the day top secret was Jobs's code word for features too buggy to demo. I'm 100% certain of this. Microsoft couldn't give less of a crap about what eventually was announced for Leopard.
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Yep. I already conceded the point. Plus I just checked the WWDC '06 video. I can certainly see how Steve's words may have driven expectations.

Nevertheless, as a developer, I am very happy with Leopard. The most important thing an OS can do is provide a foundation for great applications. That's the real win.
 
BRLawyer said:
Apple's implementation is exactly to tell you about a file path, without giving you the complications of dealing with it
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Oh yes, praise be Apple for not showing us the filepath, since we are such a morons that we would be confused by it! That is clearly the way to go! Since Apple does it, it HAS to be the right thing to do, right?

If I wanna send someone a file, I DRAG and DROP.
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I'm not talking about "sending a file", I'm talking about telling others where some file resides. And why should I send someone a file, if the file resides on a network-server that the other user can access as well?

I deal with these issues on a weekly basis. If I want to tell users where some files are located in a network-server, how do I do it? Well, I copy/paste the filepath, and mail it to the users saying "the files are in here", the users would then copy/paste the filepath to their Explorer-window and be done with it. How would it work in OS X? I would have to type a mail saying "the files are in server Foo, in volume Bar, in folder XXXX", and the users would then manually browse to the cirrect folder. I guess you will now tell me how the Apple-way is obviously superior, right?

If I wanna mail someone a file, I DRAG and DROP.
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Again: I'm not talking about sending anything. I'm talking about cases like where one Mac-user asks another one "hey, where is folder Foo located in OS X?", or "which network-share has these files?".

And if you need constant access to an online folder, just make an alias. That's how Apple works for normal people.
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No, you just refuse to accept the fact that having filepath available is a good thing, since Windows has been doing that for year, whereas OS X does not. And you simply can't accept a situation where Windows does something better than OS X.
 
killmoms said:
If by "looks better" you mean "looks like Linux" (which is the same as saying "ugly").
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No, that is NOT the same. Linux can look whatever the user wants it to look.

That said: I'm anxiously waiting for Leopard, and I WILL be updating to it pretty quickly
 
Overall I think I like the new look...I think none of us are used to the change. Its not exactly a subtle change either.

Anyhoo, I found some new screenshots from build 9a499 on this website I just come across. I've been looking at the menu bar pic posted a lot and I'm really starting to like it now. I like the fact there there aren't any rounded corners anymore- looks much more modern.
 
Evangelion said:
Oh yes, praise be Apple for not showing us the filepath, since we are such a morons that we would be confused by it! That is clearly the way to go! Since Apple does it, it HAS to be the right thing to do, right?

I'm not talking about "sending a file", I'm talking about telling others where some file resides. And why should I send someone a file, if the file resides on a network-server that the other user can access as well?

I deal with these issues on a weekly basis. If I want to tell users where some files are located in a network-server, how do I do it? Well, I copy/paste the filepath, and mail it to the users saying "the files are in here", the users would then copy/paste the filepath to their Explorer-window and be done with it. How would it work in OS X? I would have to type a mail saying "the files are in server Foo, in volume Bar, in folder XXXX", and the users would then manually browse to the cirrect folder. I guess you will now tell me how the Apple-way is obviously superior, right?

Again: I'm not talking about sending anything. I'm talking about cases like where one Mac-user asks another one "hey, where is folder Foo located in OS X?", or "which network-share has these files?".

No, you just refuse to accept the fact that having filepath available is a good thing, since Windows has been doing that for year, whereas OS X does not. And you simply can't accept a situation where Windows does something better than OS X.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself!

Sending e-mail with videofiles at 2GB would really make my system administrator happy. :rolleyes: I guess BRLawyer hasn't worked in a corporation working with video, internet, graphic design or anything like that. When working with stuff like that you often have alot of files linked up to a projectfile so you have to work on the file where it's located on the server, not on your own computer.
 
The more I read the comments on here...

...the more I wonder what the fan base generally consists of. I'm surprised for a Mac/Apple based fan forum, that almost all of the comments are negative in nature, with most commentators moaning and bitching about every little thing they can possibly conjure in their minds. I realize constructive criticism is paramount for any company/product to succeed, but from most of the comments it appears people want Apple to:

1) Cure cancer
2) Develop world peace
3) Program an end to the Middle East conflicts
4) Write a personalized O.S. for everyone
5) Create cold fusion to produce free, renewable energy to stall global warming and give energy to those in need

...need I go on?

Personally, I've used every Leopard Beta developed thus far, including 9A499, and I refuse to use Tiger unless absolutely necessary. The transparent menu bar and 3-D dock seem to increase desktop work space and are less distracting than Tiger. Leopard is fast, jumping to different drives and networks without hesitation, and spaces is brilliant for increasing work flow, desk top real estate and efficiency. I also dislike Tiger's brushed aluminum finder, and have grown to love the adaption of iTunes 6-7 GUI throughout the system. Tiger's brushed aluminum finder and application windows seem bulky and take up a great deal of desktop real estate when compared to Leopards sleeker and sharper GUI. The "crosswalk" divider on the dock also serves as a quick way to resize the dock, by clicking on it and moving in or out, the dock size increases/decreases.

While there are a few things I take issue with, such as the bland 2-dimensional icons and a lack of a customizable GUI as Windows has had for years, Leopard is leaps and bounds better than Tiger. There is certainly more to come, such as improved integration with the iPhone/iPod/iTV, etc (I have been informed that the iPhone will eventually be opened up to be used as a hard drive and to allow dragging and dropping of individual files manually as well as ring tones and more bluetooth accessibility for ObEx, iChat, firmware update for video recording, etc.). Keep in mind, there is a long time before it is even released this Autumn, so let's not be so critical and just enjoy the ride.
 
To me, the lack of the filepath was the single worse thing about using a Mac (well, concerning UI anyway).

I switched over to OSX from Vista a couple months back. Vista's implementation of the filepath was extremely useful, or at least more so than XP's, so when I first went over, everytime I used Finder, it was a reminder that Apple has strayed too far to one side of the form vs function debate.

However, that should be solved come October. Apple, all I have to say is this: See! Pragmatism wasn't that bad now was it. ;)
 
FunkyELF said:
Are these not easy to change yourself?
I don't own a mac, so I don't know...but I would think should be easy to change.
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Yea, it should be... its just some people would like the default to be to thier liking... (like me:))
 
mavere said:
To me, the lack of the filepath was the single worse thing about using a Mac (well, concerning UI anyway).
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Same for me but with Gnome. I'm not sure if it is possible, but I looked around for about 10 minutes to get the file manager in Gnome to show the whole path and not keep opening up new windows.

Great...I get a new window showing the contents of "bin".
Which "bin" is it?

Window's explorer has it right. Those who copy explorer have it right. I can't stand those who can't accept the fact that Microsoft has done at least one thing right.
 
FunkyELF said:
Same for me but with Gnome. I'm not sure if it is possible, but I looked around for about 10 minutes to get the file manager in Gnome to show the whole path and not keep opening up new windows.
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It's been a while since I used GNOME, but try hitting Ctrl+L. As to new windows (AKA: spatial filemanagement): that can be turned off. Use Gconf-editor and set /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser to true.
 
I'm going to admit it, I've really come around to the new GUI. Leopard looks niiiiice. Along with Spaces, Time Machine, Stacks and the new Finder it looks like Leopard is going to be an awesome update. I'm super excited!
 
guzhogi said:
I like that too. Not really sure what all the things in the Shelf are. And I hope you can hide the info & preview parts.
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Yes, you can hide all the features and just see it as the regular Tiger's window... it just let you do more. but I was talking about the folder's icons... The Leopard ones are not too Aqua-lish... they look windows-like for me... and I don't like it... the ones I used have more or less the look and feel of a new Aqua-like folder for this year. I think Apple is more worry about switchers than us the long time Mac users... thats why Leopard looks more Windows than Tiger ...
 
izzle22 said:
The blue dots look great what is the problem everyone is having with them? Is it because they are not black triangles.
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i like the blue balls... but creatively speaking, it would be cool if the icon sunk into the dock and started spinning like a CD.. i know it would get tiresome pretty fast, but its very cool...

OR

Have the icon become embossed on the dock with the blue light around it... like an aura..

October: 60 Days away.
 
How to Change the colors of your icons

1) Apple I to open info.
2) Click and copy the icon
3) Open up preview, and go to File -> New from clipboard
4) Goto Tools -> Adjust color
5) Play around adjusting the color/brightness/etc.
-You can almost make any color I think

Here's the trick.

6) Now that you have your new colored icon. Copy it again within preview.
7) Goto File new from clipboard. (A new window pops up with your icon)
8) Copy this icon
9) Paste the icon back in the info window

Enjoy! :cool:

I downloaded the freeware blue icon set from this website:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://grafikdesign.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/black-26blue-icons.jpg&imgrefurl=http://grafikdesign.wordpress.com/2007/08/22/free-mac-os-x-icons-download/&h=295&w=415&sz=53&hl=en&start=1&sig2=T3_eNIE6Avr68ARfVRkR0A&tbnid=oxm23lk0DJ5BbM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=125&ei=dGwkSJKpNI2QhAPNvOm2Dw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfre%2Bos%2Bx%2Bblue%2Bicons%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Then I adjusted my other icons (Firefox, etc.) To be sweet blue / black. With an awesome blue black desktop background, and these icons, my setup is sweet.
 
I already saw all of these changes on apple instructional videos on their site a few days ago. I like the "sidewalk".
 
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