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Mac OS X Leopard 9a499 Visual Enhancements

Kilamite said:
I'm loving the Dock, the transparent menu bar, everything looks so slick and sexy!

I HATE the new folder icons though. They are too plain and don't match up to the other icons that are shiny, 3D and full of colour.

But I suppose I haven't tried Leopard yet, so haven't seen the new folder icons in the desktop with other stuff around them to see how easy they are on the eye. Too much eye candy can be a bad thing I suppose, so maybe these folder icons might not be as bad as I think they are...I hope!

Count me in for buying Leopard on the release date!
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Something tells me that those are not going to be the final icons. Another Macrumors member mentioned the fact that while in Coverflow the icons are 2-D and would look much better in reflective 3-dimensional imaging. I do find it difficult to believe Apple would leave 3-D icons and imaging behind for a more flat and "bland" look in their new OS, especially as the Dock is now 3-dimensional. I have a strong feeling that Apple will release more towards October and we haven't seen everything under wraps just yet...
 
Who cares about folders and paths... Damnit, ThinkSecret. Stop taking your lousy time in posting those screen caps. The natives are restless.
 
crees! said:
Who cares about folders and paths... Damnit, ThinkSecret. Stop taking your lousy time in posting those screen caps. The natives are restless.
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Apparently you don't care, but others do. As an artist, even the tiniest of interface changes appeal to me.

Crosswalks and paths and new icons OH MY! :p
 
FWIW, I use the column view in the Finder and you can barely see what the folder icons looks like anyway. I never use the thumbnail or coverflow views which is really the only place you would see those icons with any clarity.
 
Resolution independence ?

Is there A WAY TO CHANGE RESOLUTION INDEPENDENCE ?

Meaning, I want to change the menu font to some arbitrary
size, window titlebars, window titles, buttons, dialog boxes,
etc., all to whatever font size I want (for example, say
30pt verdana).

I have been able to do this on windblows for over a
decade.

CAN I FINANLLY DO THIS ON THE CURRENT BUILD OF LEOPARD ???
 
javadesigner123 said:
Is there A WAY TO CHANGE RESOLUTION INDEPENDENCE ?

Meaning, I want to change the menu font to some arbitrary
size, window titlebars, window titles, buttons, dialog boxes,
etc., all to whatever font size I want (for example, say
30pt verdana).

I have been able to do this on windblows for over a
decade.

CAN I FINANLLY DO THIS ON THE CURRENT BUILD OF LEOPARD ???
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Nope.

FYI, changing the menu font is not Resolution Independence.
 
I think it should have to show next to people's name's if they actually used the build or NOT, because most of the comments people are making about this, or that, is not something easily judged by a simple PNG :)

For example, the little "light" under applications that are running. From the pictures they don't look like a great idea. But once you actually use the build you find you are more productive. Same thing with the transparent menubar (499 it's actually fixed to work properly) but The idea is to not have the dock & the menubar staring you in the face, and to keep you focused on your application windows.

It works FANTASTICALLY. At first I didn't like either of them, or the new folder icons. But after a week of usage you realize you are more productive, and that little icons (the folders small have different icons) are much, much quicker to find.

You really need to try it for yourself before you judge. Besides that's why people customize OS X. But I think out of the box, Leopard is much, much better with the dock, menubar & finder windows/icons.

I find that I can't go back to tiger for browsing files or managing documents, it just feels much more difficult.

Leopard is all about usability speed.
 
*sigh* CJD2112 is exactly right on the continual pattern here at MacRumors.

All this bitching about how everyone thinks Leopard is ugly. I'll reference another Macrumors' comments that this is typical fare:

1) New OS beta shown, everyone bitches about OS
2) OS come out
3) Everyone begins to use the OS and loves it
4) New OS announced, repeat steps 1-3
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Not only that, many here probably haven't even used Leopard and simply bring their subjectivity into this forum. As proof of this, why don't you all look at the reaction from mac users on the iPod? It is really pathetically similar to this thread.

People also have high expectations for Apple which is really ridiculous. They clearly can't do everything perfect or something in order to satisfy a group of people. I guarantee you that there will always be someone who will dislike what Apple puts out.

For all the noobs who didn't notice, this build is a BETA. How hard is that to understand? They're clearly continually doing GUI improvements so cut the crap. Get a life too.
 
kungming2 said:
Everyone has their own opinions on what looks good as a desktop background - I for one, think the wet grass looks gorgeous. Everybody has a different taste. If Apple made the wet grass the ONLY background, that would be something to complain about. If you don't like it, just change it! No big deal.

Nature pictures have been in OS's since back in the 90s. Nothing "copycatting" there. And Vista's default wallpaper is abstract.
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On the "wet grass" default desktop photo, I got the impression sitting in the WWDC keynote audience that Jobs has become annoyed every time he walks by a Mac and sees the default desktop instead of a personalized desktop. Perhaps their putting something there that users will not want to keep on purpose. This way you'll put your girlfriend, or your kids or your parents, etc.
 
When Windows Vista SP1 is released and Microsoft decides to turn their default desktop green, it's going to be very hard for them to convince anyone that they're not copying Apple.
 
Are the current seeds of Leopard running in a debug mode? I remember trying 9A466 and it ran kind of slow for me. Then again, I did an upgrade, not a fresh install.
 
javadesigner123 said:
Is there A WAY TO CHANGE RESOLUTION INDEPENDENCE ?

Meaning, I want to change the menu font to some arbitrary
size, window titlebars, window titles, buttons, dialog boxes,
etc., all to whatever font size I want (for example, say
30pt verdana).

I have been able to do this on windblows for over a
decade.

CAN I FINANLLY DO THIS ON THE CURRENT BUILD OF LEOPARD ???
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This is not RI. Its just font customizations. RI is different and not even Windows has this. It has part of what's needed, though. At the moment RI in Leopard is done through a dev utility. My thoughts are that its going to be in the OS at 10.5.00 but won't be a user changeable option until more apps support Leopard and then in a .x update it will be made into a user option.
 
javadesigner123 said:
Is there A WAY TO CHANGE RESOLUTION INDEPENDENCE ?

Meaning, I want to change the menu font to some arbitrary
size, window titlebars, window titles, buttons, dialog boxes,
etc., all to whatever font size I want (for example, say
30pt verdana).

I have been able to do this on windblows for over a
decade.

CAN I FINANLLY DO THIS ON THE CURRENT BUILD OF LEOPARD ???
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Many have already answered you on this, but I'll say it too. That's not resolution independence. Resolution independence could be in the October release of Leopard, but many app developers are dragging their feet. I think Apple has made it so you can turn it on one App at a time. If some Apps drag their feet for too long they could find themselves showing up as tiny little windows next to high resolution - resolution independent apps.
 
F/reW/re said:
I never said that people not using a pathbar cant be a pro user. I'm talking about myself.


I guess that's why you can choose to show/hide it as you want in Windows.


So how would you explain to a friend where to find something on the server? The default OS X way seems to me like a pretty decent way to do if no mather what platform your using. When I comes to ease of use, I find it much easier to have one pathbar that can paste/copy/goto just like in any browser, than having a pathbar at the bottom of the window, a different goToWindow and an Applescript for copying the path. Everyone who can use Safari with the pathbar there shouldn't have any problems doing so in Finder.



If you read my posts you've read that I do use an AutomatorAction/Applescript to do this myself.

I'm glad Apple finally included a pathbar in Finder. A show/hide function would be nice.
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I can understand why you want to do this. I think copying the filepath should be available in a contextual menu in the finder and in the info panel (even without a path bar). As for the use-case you mention, I also think it would be more Mac like to allow attaching filepaths (instead of actual files) upon dragging files from network shares. In other words Mail should ask whether you want the actual file or the file path pasted into the mail message (with optional hotkeys to force path or file).

Right now I usually drag a file into terminal and then copy the path to the clipboard as a hackish workaround (though I don't need it too often).
 
macguysoft said:
*sigh* CJD2112 is exactly right on the continual pattern here at MacRumors.




Not only that, many here probably haven't even used Leopard and simply bring their subjectivity into this forum. As proof of this, why don't you all look at the reaction from mac users on the iPod? It is really pathetically similar to this thread.

People also have high expectations for Apple which is really ridiculous. They clearly can't do everything perfect or something in order to satisfy a group of people. I guarantee you that there will always be someone who will dislike what Apple puts out.

For all the noobs who didn't notice, this build is a BETA. How hard is that to understand? They're clearly continually doing GUI improvements so cut the crap. Get a life too.
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Amen to that. I've been using just about every beta of Leopard released over the past year, and just acquired 9A499. Without a doubt, I am very impressed, but I still do not forget that this is just a beta. It's great that everyone has an opinion and wants to debate certain issues on the OS, but it seems that there are more criticisms than praises for much of the work Apple releases (highly ironic from an Apple/Mac fan site).
 
djinn said:
Are the current seeds of Leopard running in a debug mode? I remember trying 9A466 and it ran kind of slow for me. Then again, I did an upgrade, not a fresh install.
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Not to my knowledge. It runs very fast on my Mac Pro, especially compared to Tiger 10.4.10, although I always do a fresh install with each beta.
 
iJawn108 said:
There's two sets of default folder icons, one slate coloured and the other sand.

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I personally love them(and have been using the blue set).
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how do you change the set?
 
javadesigner123 said:
Is there A WAY TO CHANGE RESOLUTION INDEPENDENCE ?

Meaning, I want to change the menu font to some arbitrary
size, window titlebars, window titles, buttons, dialog boxes,
etc., all to whatever font size I want (for example, say
30pt verdana).

I have been able to do this on windblows for over a
decade.

CAN I FINANLLY DO THIS ON THE CURRENT BUILD OF LEOPARD ???
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That is not resolution independence.
 
Project said:
That is not resolution independence.
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Perhaps you can think of it as resolution independence in the menu bar, but it's not what is normally referred to as resolution independence. There might be some hidden way to change this in Mac OS X now (some plist somewhere). It wouldn't require resolution independence, though it would require the system to respond to a larger font by making the white background of the menu bar larger and then requiring windows to stay clear of the larger menu bar. It wouldn't surprise me if OS X can handle this already.

Resolution Independence on the other hand allows a user to change the overall scale of the screen (larger or smaller) while keeping the relative proportions the same. Particularly with resolution independence, these changes in scale happen independent of changes in resolution. Right now you can make your display show content at twice the normal size, however the resolution will be one-half it's normal density (i.e., <em>overall</em> scaling and resolution are dependent).
 
BRLawyer said:
Only Winblows users should like that ugly thing about file paths anyway...Apple's implementation has been much nicer for ages...who cares?
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File paths can be VERY useful. Want to tell someone where some file is located? Copy/paste the path, and send it in IM or email. Quick and effective. What if you are the recipient of the forementioned email/IM? You can just copy/paste the path to your filemanager and be taken instantly to it. What if you want to enter the filepath to the Terminal?

Your rationale is basically that since Windows does display filepath and OS X does not, then filepath is not needed, since everything Windows has is crap, and OS X only has things that are actually useful and nothing else.

And pray tell: what exactly IS the "Apple's implementation" you are talking about? Like it or not, Apple uses the same paradigm as everyone else does: folders, subfolders and files in a hierarchy.
 
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