Mac OS X Leopard: Mail 3.0

[arkmannj]

I've never used it - I have to use the shiiiiiiiite Novell Groupwise here at work - what a pile of poo!

Our company just switched from GroupWise to Outlook about 6 months ago.
consider yourself lucky, most employees (myself included) miss GroupWise. I was much more productive in Groupwise than OutPoop. I think the biggest problem with Groupwise, isn't GroupWise itself but how companies deploy it; most companies castrate it for some reason (I'm guessing laziness being the primary reason)

of course I am always happy at home with my mac mail.
Does anyone know if the To-Do's in Mail 3 will be shared with iCal. To-Do's seem to be a bit of an item that would cross the boundries of the two apps.

EDIT: about the question above, sorry I shoulda read ALL of the forum posts before asking, looks like it has already been answered, sorry & thanks.
~AM

 

[Hmm]

"Apple also reintroduces Data Detectors..."

Does everybody else remember how cool this feature was when we got it back in 1997? (Somewhere around there.)

I have missed this functionality. Thank goodness they remembered to bring it back!

Yup, I remembered being disappointed when I first realized it wasn't in OS X. I searched all over Apple's website trying to figure out how to get it to work and realized it was never implemented. I'll be glad to see if coming back.

 

[Donnacha]

I thought the problem with GMail integration is on GMail's side? GMail does POP and not IMAP, that seems to be the main problem. But, I'm not familiar with GMail APIs and what they might be able to do.

Well, even if they did IMAP it would have to be a non-standard implementation because of all the non-standard stuff that GMail does, the very stuff that makes it so useful.

The onus is on Apple to make this work because, as far as Google are concerned, it is in their interests that we access they service (and their ads) via our browsers.

Apple's interests, on the other hand, are to have their apps weave themselves into as many lives as possible, increasing their hold on their customer-base and creating even more enthusiastic Mac advocates. Accessing email is one of the main things I use computers for and, at the moment, my experience in doing so is identical on every OS - that's a lost opportunity for Apple.

 

[dondiego87]

One of the very few things I miss about Windows (and there really aren't many) is the formatting toolbar in Outlook (or Outlook Express) compose window. You can change font, colour, size and emphasis without having to open separate font and colour inspectors.

Sweet gumdrops, that would be wonderful.


The data detection functionality (specifically for dates) is actually the main reason I'm considering purchasing a copy of Leopard. It seems like such a waste.

 

[danielwsmithee]

Yes - you make a valid point, which makes a lot of sense. However, you overlooked the fact that GMail does not currently sync correctly through Mail.app with portable devices like the iPhone and with services like .Mac. That's what people like myself are looking for.

It can't do that without IMAP support though on the GMAIL side.

 

[sAy2k]

Proper IMAP...

...or am I doing something wrong?

I've never been able to get Mail to properly sync with IMAP. Thus resorting me to use thunderbird. Although a great program, lacks the ability to fully integrate into the MAC environment and all of the other Mac programs.

Probably best to post this question in the forums I suppose, but does anyone else have problems with IMAP and Mail? The problem for me is that I can't save my sent emails or drafts to the IMAP folder, it just sits on the local drive ( I get an error about not being able to connect or it can't do it... been using TB for a few months now because I got frustrated) To me, that kind of defeats the purpose if you have a work machine and say a laptop.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

Well, even if they did IMAP it would have to be a non-standard implementation because of all the non-standard stuff that GMail does, the very stuff that makes it so useful.

The onus is on Apple to make this work because, as far as Google are concerned, it is in their interests that we access they service (and their ads) via our browsers.

Apple's interests, on the other hand, are to have their apps weave themselves into as many lives as possible, increasing their hold on their customer-base and creating even more enthusiastic Mac advocates. Accessing email is one of the main things I use computers for and, at the moment, my experience in doing so is identical on every OS - that's a lost opportunity for Apple.

Very well put! I couldn't agree more.
What I fail to understand, when it comes to Google, is why some features in the browser version of GMail don't work in all browsers. Besides that, I would love to see Donnacha's idea implemented in Mail 3.0... it would make Mail so much better.

 

[JFreak]

How about making the mail stable? If you create 2-4 new mails, put in 5MB+ of files in each you are gonna run in trouble.. About 25% of the time the Mail crashes. Hopefully they will fix the file handling and performance.

Wow, your internet connection must suck big time. I have never had Mail.app crash on me and it's on 24/7 doing lotsa work for all of the family. Sometimes when the DSL line crashes Mail.app keeps asking for passwords, but it still keeps functioning after the DSL connection is up again.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

It can't do that without IMAP support though on the GMAIL side.

That's true... but at least Apple could make one-way sync work, so we could read our emails on our iPod Touches and iPhones. I don't have either but I've heard reports that this currently doesn't work right.

 

[CWallace]

The more I see of Leopard, the more I like it and the more excited I am to use it.

 

[liberty4all]

STILL no return receipt functionality!

After all this time, STILL no return receipt functionality! :-(

 

[Hattig]

...or am I doing something wrong?

I've never been able to get Mail to properly sync with IMAP. Thus resorting me to use thunderbird. Although a great program, lacks the ability to fully integrate into the MAC environment and all of the other Mac programs.

Probably best to post this question in the forums I suppose, but does anyone else have problems with IMAP and Mail? The problem for me is that I can't save my sent emails or drafts to the IMAP folder, it just sits on the local drive ( I get an error about not being able to connect or it can't do it... been using TB for a few months now because I got frustrated) To me, that kind of defeats the purpose if you have a work machine and say a laptop.

Yeah, Mail.app's IMAP support is a complete joke that makes the entire application worthless to anyone that uses IMAP (and you all should if you have the option). I don't have the same problem as you, I get Mail.app waiting for minutes on end to update the IMAP folder I'm reading, when Thunderbird and Evolution can do it in under 1 second. I commented on this on the AppleInsider article too.

 

[Manatee]

The new Mail client introduces ToDo lists an Notes which are expected to eventually sync with the iPhone.

All right! The race is on... Outlook has ToDo lists and Notes which are expected to eventually sync with other PDA/smartphones... about ten years ago.

C'mon Apple, I love my iPhone, but give me some reasons to leave my Blackberry at home.

 

[arkmannj]

Please shoot me now. I keep refreshing the Apple.com page wishing for a countdown. Looking forward to upgraded to Mail 3.0. I like that they are making it more than just simple email.

me too.

I'm sure I'll get smacked around for saying this, but one thing I miss from Groupwise / Outlook is having the calendar, email, to-do' all in one app. I know there are good arguments for keeping them separate, but it would be somewhat convenient for my uses to have them together at times; I think Apple could do it with a clean, nice interface and without all the mess that outlook/Entourage has.

if they did ever combine the two apps, it would be cool if they had a quick connect option for Google apps. Just put in your google account and it sync's your calendar, email, to-do's etc... (and add this ability to the iPhone as well) that would just get me all excited and warm fuzzies for a long time.

 

[tcoleman]

After all this time, STILL no return receipt functionality! :-(

Thank goodness for that!

 

[jonatron]

You're right, the gmail set up isn't quite perfect but I use it quite happily. I guess its just not good for your requirements.

I have it set so that it removes mail from the gmail inbox when its collected by mail. That means that when I'm away from my mac i can see any new messages i have received as they wont have been removed. You can get gmail to retain all the messages that are received and sent as well. So when i go to sent items they are there including the ones sent from mail and and if you click 'all mail' from the gmail menu you have a copy of all the emails you have received too. Just remember to use smtp.gmail.com as the outgoing mail address. It does work so just give me a shout if youd like me to clarify anything.

I would love to use Mail, but it doesn't properly sync with gmail (I want the two to stay in sync, if I sent an email via mail I want it in my sent folder, if I read an email on gmail, I want it "read" in Mail, etc, etc).

If there was a good solution to this, I'd love to use mail while at home.

 

[casperghst42]

...or am I doing something wrong?
Probably best to post this question in the forums I suppose, but does anyone else have problems with IMAP and Mail? The problem for me is that I can't save my sent emails or drafts to the IMAP folder, it just sits on the local drive ( I get an error about not being able to connect or it can't do it... been using TB for a few months now because I got frustrated) To me, that kind of defeats the purpose if you have a work machine and say a laptop.

Select Trash, Sent, etc. the menu -> MailBox -> Use this MailBox for ....

Then it'll store your mails on the server.

/Casper

 

[ddubbo]

I thought the problem with GMail integration is on GMail's side? GMail does POP and not IMAP, that seems to be the main problem. But, I'm not familiar with GMail APIs and what they might be able to do.

Im working with Gmail via ancient Outlook Express - no troubles at all

 

[Multimedia]

Looks Great!

That really looks great. I wish there was a way to compose HTML email from scratch. Anyone know how to do that on the Mac?

 

[Project]

jesus NeXTSTEP was waaaay ahead of its time.



As got Gmail, I am actually surprised that Google does not offer an IMAP-like solution given the disruptive nature of the product. Sure, Google would like you to use the web based client 99 times out of 100 to expose you to their adds, but i'd have thought having all of that email passing through their servers would be the main benefit... enabling them to build up a great profile of the user tied to that Google Account.

 

[Cloudsurfer]

That RSS thingy is what I want.

 

[arkmannj]

That really looks great. I wish there was a way to compose HTML email from scratch. Anyone know how to do that on the Mac?

Good point, perhaps a way to view/edit the HTML directly ? that would be sweeeet !

would make for a great advanced feature for "power users" and wouldn't be something that average Joe would need to worry about day to day if they don't want to.

 

[arkmannj]

I wonder how well Mail could handle 1TB worth of emails... (assuming average size of each email is about 1-2MB)

 

[question fear]

Well, even if they did IMAP it would have to be a non-standard implementation because of all the non-standard stuff that GMail does, the very stuff that makes it so useful.

The onus is on Apple to make this work because, as far as Google are concerned, it is in their interests that we access they service (and their ads) via our browsers.

Apple's interests, on the other hand, are to have their apps weave themselves into as many lives as possible, increasing their hold on their customer-base and creating even more enthusiastic Mac advocates. Accessing email is one of the main things I use computers for and, at the moment, my experience in doing so is identical on every OS - that's a lost opportunity for Apple.

I agree Apple needs to work at improving Gmail, but to be fair I have yet to see Gmail behave well with 90% of the mail clients out there. GMail is built around the web interface because Google makes a shitton off the contextual ads. They obviously don't get that when you d/l to your mail client. I have tried GMail on my mac, on my iphone, with thunderbird, with literally 3 different mail clients on my old Treo...and the only way I was able to even make it remotely workable was to use the web interface on my main computer and only download mail to my mobile devices.
I am not a programmer, but given the sheer number of mail clients that choke, screw up, overdownload, or otherwise can't handle GMail, I would think it's more than "Apple tweaks two things and BOOM, happy GMail." There's so many issues with GMail, like the way archiving doesn't mean it's not going to get yanked by a mail client, that I would think it would require some collaboration from Google to make it work properly.
And besides, Apple wants you all to cave and use .Mac ;-)

 

[Macinposh]

Wow, your internet connection must suck big time. I have never had Mail.app crash on me and it's on 24/7 doing lotsa work for all of the family. Sometimes when the DSL line crashes Mail.app keeps asking for passwords, but it still keeps functioning after the DSL connection is up again.

Cant be my connection..?

4 different computers (MP,iBook,G4,MBP) do it under 3 different service providers.

If I put say 3 mails, put 10-15MB worth of pictures in them,I can put 2 mails to "send". If I "send" the 3rd,then usually ***** hits the fan.
Mail goes down.
The magic number seems to be about 20MB what the outbox can handle before it goes unstable.
At least with me..

I allways tought that it was normal for mail?