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Personally, I am looking forward to a more robust Mail.
I use Mail daily, via iPhone and MacBook. And unlike others, I have no real issues with features/functionality. So far, so good.
Mail 3 looks even better...

Which is to say... where the F is a Leopard announcememnt?
 
I'm not sure why everyone is asking about GMail compatibility. I use the current version of Mail to read my GMail account with no problems or issues. It's set up as a POP account. IMAP for GMail would be welcomed but Google's policy is to implement POP instead to save on overhead.

Am I missing something here?

Yes.

Gmail has its own api, which lets you do things in a more gmail kind of way. Like using tags rather than folders, for instance.

It's a step beyond the out-of-date POP/IMAP ways of doing things.
 
Very well put! I couldn't agree more.
What I fail to understand, when it comes to Google, is why some features in the browser version of GMail don't work in all browsers.:confused: Besides that, I would love to see Donnacha's idea implemented in Mail 3.0... it would make Mail so much better.

Exactly.

It's simple: To get the map experience right on the iPhone, Apple wrote a native app to access Google Maps.

So why not do that to get the gmail experience right? Or the calendar? These are two of the most obvious things you would want a "smart" phone to do.
 
best new feature seems to be the address book "add to contact". I hate adding contacts and filling out gobs of information. If it looks it up for you that is much better in my book. I hope they implement a three-wide layout like Outlook 2003/2007 have without the use of a hack (which still doesn't give the exact effect).
 
Cant be my connection..?

4 different computers (MP,iBook,G4,MBP) do it under 3 different service providers.

If I put say 3 mails, put 10-15MB worth of pictures in them,I can put 2 mails to "send". If I "send" the 3rd,then usually ***** hits the fan.
Mail goes down.
The magic number seems to be about 20MB what the outbox can handle before it goes unstable.
At least with me..

I allways tought that it was normal for mail? :confused:

My ISP allows up to 20MB for e-mail attachments. We frequently send pictures around to the family totaling upwards of 15MB, and I don't recall ever having Mail crash on me at all. My mom just sent us pictures yesterday that just barely squeaked in under the 20MB limit (she uses Mail, and has a 20MB limit on attachments too).
 
What I want to know is if Apple has finally fixed their IMAP support to login using the proper command? Mail issues a LIST command instead of LSUB after logging in to an IMAP server, which is incorrect. It can cause the client to download thousands of folders and emails on a shared folder system, essentially brining your Mac to it's knees.

Certainly, until Mail.app begins supporting folder subscriptions, I have not and will not be using it.

I am curious, though, where it is mentioned that LSUB should be issued after authenticating with an IMAP server. In a brief look over RFC2060, I can't find that mentioned.
 
Best ISP with IMAP mail service?

What is the best ISP with IMAP mail service? Comcast sure does not have it...

An IMAP ISP is better for dual use with an iPhone...

TIA for suggestions.
 
Apple: Get Mail.app to natively support these two features of IMAP, and I'll be happy.

IDLE
IMAP_ENHANCEDIDLE

IDLE is great, and it "kinda" supports it, if you want good functionality, like tbird, when it comes to multiple imap folders, and quick updates, IMAP_ENHANCEDIDLE is the only way to do it. Hell mutt has that functionality, and has had it for years.

enhanced IDLE mode, where multiple clients may open the same folder concurrently, and receive updates to folder contents in realtime.

A must have if you use server side filtering, where it filters incoming emails into different folders.
Also nice if you have multiple people reading off the same account on multiple machines.
 
Both of these things are ultimately your responsibility, not Mail's.

If you had evidence of some other email program that allows you to send these attachments, what kind of attachments you are trying to send, or an indication of what size of attachments your email service allows, then you could start to build a case from that against Mail.

Given the information you have provided however, it seems like you are just dissing Mail for something it was never intended to do and that you already knew it couldn't do.

i.e. - Trolling.

Oh,go fkuk yourself and your trolling.

Just to make sure that I am not misunderstood by you again.

1.I know my single email limit by my service providers (3 different,3 different locations as you apparently missed to read in my posts) is 50MB.
All the clients have open mail servers as do I.
There is occasions when I have sent a total of 300MB+ of pictures via mail to the client.
No problems.


2.And if i manage to send 75% of the time 2-7 emails, each 5-25MB (25 being the highes that I usually use) how the hell I cant do it the rest of the 25%? Ok,ok,maybe the closer percentage is around 15-20% when the mail goes down.

So tell me,how on earth could that be my internet service providers (remember,all 3 DIFFERENT of them) fault that my mail application crashes then? What kind of "signal" do they send that causes that?

3. The files are .jpg´s. Occasional TIFFs. Pictrures,you know?

4. What? Mail is not supposed to use to send files?
What on earth are you talking about?
Mail is used to send files all the bloody time!

Music files (via studios/musicians/produces/executives) , video files (QT clips of between ad/editors/clients),documets (PDFs and indy/freehand whatevers) and photographs.
That just what I and my clients send daily.

Are you telling them that they shouldnt do it because :
Mail for something it was never intended to do and that you already knew it couldn't do.


Stop being such a bloody apologist,will you please?

We have different uses for mail,as you can see.
It would help me and my clients a lot.

A simple,robust outbox, where I could unload say 5-10 mails with pictures.
Without worrying that when I leave it alone to send the mails, it goes belly up,sending only 3 1/2 mails,leaving the rest not only unsended,looses them in the process,so I have to compile the mails again.

Do you honestly think I am being unreasonable for wanting/needing that kind of properties and reliability?

Remember,we are living year 2007 now.
 
Does anyone know if Mail 3.0 offers Exchange support through MAPI? Or does it only work with Exchange servers with IMAP turned on?

Until then, I'll be sticking with Entourage since my IT department doesn't want to open IMAP on the Exchange server
 
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i.e. - Trolling.

I'm just an innocent bystander here, but what with the SUPPORT RON PAUL sigs (I thought news comments were supposed to be nonpolitical?), and incredibly rude acusations of trollery towards anyone who expresses a view at odds with the HiveMind, anyone would think this is DailyKos :mad:
 
Apple: Get Mail.app to natively support these two features of IMAP, and I'll be happy.

IDLE
IMAP_ENHANCEDIDLE

IDLE is great, and it "kinda" supports it, if you want good functionality, like tbird, when it comes to multiple imap folders, and quick updates, IMAP_ENHANCEDIDLE is the only way to do it. Hell mutt has that functionality, and has had it for years.

enhanced IDLE mode, where multiple clients may open the same folder concurrently, and receive updates to folder contents in realtime.

A must have if you use server side filtering, where it filters incoming emails into different folders.
Also nice if you have multiple people reading off the same account on multiple machines.

I know Mail 3 does support IDLE. I am not sure about IMAP_ENHANCEDIDLE, though.
 
I'm just an innocent bystander here, but what with the SUPPORT RON PAUL sigs (I thought news comments were supposed to be nonpolitical?), and incredibly rude acusations of trollery towards anyone who expresses a view at odds with the HiveMind, anyone would think this is DailyKos :mad:

Don't know or care about the political bit, but I agree about voicing an opinion. The guy stated what he was trying to do and it sounds reasonable in days of 7-8Mpix cameras becoming common place and people sending wads of photos. Anyway, if it is a problem and I've no reason to doubt the guy, let's just hope it gets sorted! No point everyone getting angry over nothing!
 
Yeah, Mail.app's IMAP support is a complete joke that makes the entire application worthless to anyone that uses IMAP (and you all should if you have the option). I don't have the same problem as you, I get Mail.app waiting for minutes on end to update the IMAP folder I'm reading, when Thunderbird and Evolution can do it in under 1 second. I commented on this on the AppleInsider article too.

Have you guys checked your preferences?

Preferences>Accounts>Mailbox Behaviors

Check Store draft messages on server


(It works for me and should for you, in which case, changing the default settings (yes this was default in tiger at least) does not make Mail.app's IMAP implementation a joke.)
 
Bullet points - the entire business world revolves around them, so why doesn't Apple add this very simple feature? Honestly, how do their employees send "lists" to each other using Mac Mail, or do they use Outlook in Cupertino?

The lack of this feature is baffling.
You'll be happy to know that Mail 3.0 has lists of all kind.
 
archives associated with accounts

The answer is no - once archived in this way, the messages are no longer associated with any of your Mail accounts.

i have just the opposite problem: on my iPhone, with Yahoo push mail activated, i have to check each account separately to see what's arrived. On my computer, in Mail app, incoming mail from four different accounts is consolidated into one inbox. Much more convenient for my purposes. Is there a way to consolidate the inbox on the iPhone?
 
One thing I REALLY want is ALL ATTACHMENTS AS ICONS, and in a standard 'attachments' field, like ever other sane email client does. This 'render everything inline' and 'put attachments at arbitrary places' is so, so, so annoying and stupid. Please tell me this is fixed in Leopard. Having to pay for Mail Attachments Iconizer as a 3rd-party plugin to achieve half of that is also annoying and stupid. I only try to use Mail.app because it integrates with iPhoto and Address Book, and Thunderbird does not. Otherwise, Thunderbird is the best-featured most-standards-compliant mail client around.

The other feature that would be nice in a business setting is proper 'subscribe' functionality for IMAP folders as described by previous posters. I would have killed for that when I was managing a whole company of people using shared IMAP folders, but since I'm no longer doing that, I'll settle for the attachment improvements.
 
I'm really looking forward to Notes syncing with my iPhone, hopefully To-Dos, and the built-in RSS reader.
 
I'm really looking forward to Notes syncing with my iPhone, hopefully To-Dos, and the built-in RSS reader.

Maybe it will lead to one less app in my Applications folder, as I doubt I'll be using NetNewsWire Lite any more...if I wasn't so stingy that I would pay for Newsfire then it would probably be a different story...
 
That Detector thing will only be useful to me if I can use it in conjunction with Google Calendar (instead of iCal - I also need to consult my calendar online from Windows machines). Any guesses as to whether that will be possible?
 
another IMAP issue

any beta testers out there have dslextreme as their isp and have tried IMAP with dslextreme's mail server? this does not work with the current version of mail in tiger, and neither dslextreme nor apple seem to know why. it can see messages in the inbox, can see the subfolders (sent, drafts, junk, trash) but can't see the messages in the sub folders - it returns the error message "unknown namespace". works in tbird without a hitch.

tia...
 
Maybe it will lead to one less app in my Applications folder, as I doubt I'll be using NetNewsWire Lite any more...if I wasn't so stingy that I would pay for Newsfire then it would probably be a different story...

That'll be interesting to see if it can replace NNW Lite, which is what I use as well. It's not a big deal to use a stand-alone app, I might still prefer it so I don't have to open and close the RSS folder in Mail with a huge number of feeds
 
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