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Mac OS X Leopard Reviews: NY Times, Wall Street Journal, USA Today
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wow. Apple has some surprises. I wonder what else they changed. Must...resist...torrent
Baig completely violating the EULA by installing one copy of Leopard on two Macs in the process...
Most reviewers are under a different license. Apple will also grant you a Right to Copy in certain circumstances, which alters the 1:1 relationship between discs and licenses. There are all kinds of special exceptions and different terms when you're not just a "regular person."
Too opaque? I've never ever heard anyone complain that the menus are too opaque. Are you sure you don't mean you think they're too transparent? Just checking.
opaque=NOT see through, like a wall.
transparent= CAN be seen through, like glass.
Really? You're sure there's a preference setting for menu transparency? Are you just passing along info you've heard others say, or have you actually used leopard yourself and seen it?
I'm really excited for Leopard, but the translucent menus are a little too translucent for my liking. I hope it will be adjustable.
I can't wait for Time Machine, Spaces and Stacks.
I can see myself using Spaces and Stacks a LOT.
I can't wait for Time Machine, Spaces and Stacks.
I can see myself using Spaces and Stacks a LOT.
Leopard wins with 4% of the market? I don't think so.If people don't like the transparent windows, Apple will just put a slider in the systems settings preference pane to adjust the amount of transparency from opaque to transparent.
That's just the "listen to your customer", take charge kind of company that Steve Jobs has been running in the past few years. Why do you think they commandeered another 4% market share from windows.
Sure Bill Gates didn't mind Apple having a 4% market share. But when they doubled it recently to 8.1% you can bet that a few eyebrows went up in Redmond. The next 4% (for a total of 12.1%) will REALLY hurt Microsoft, because the "what if" stories will be starting. With Vista sucking wind I can't wait to install my Leopard
Sorry Bill, this round goes to Apple, with a Leopard win. Better luck next time in 2010 with that Windows 7 thing. Maybe instead of Vista you could call it, "Rest Area", where people could take a break from the "Social" and the "Wow" that seems to have started and not really gone anywhere.
Stacks Why?
I keep hearing this enthusiasm for Stacks but for the life of me I can't figure out why? Personally I am not thrilled by it at all. I really don't see how it provides any more functionality than is currently present in the dock.
Right now if you click and hold on a dock file icon it opens up the file hierarchy vertically above the file icon. In stacks you click once on the file icon and it opens in an arch (whoop-de-frigin-doo). Or you can set it to open in a grid. Currently you click on the file icon and it opens in a window. (Grid Leopard / Window Tiger) again what's the difference.
Spaces is very useful. Time machine will be a nice safety feature but will probably hardly ever get used by most users (at least most users hope it never has to be used because that usually means a failure of some sort)
I think Leopards greatest assets are speed, mail, better use of intel multi-core processors.
I'm really excited for Leopard, but the translucent menus are a little too translucent for my liking. I hope it will be adjustable.
I can't wait for Time Machine, Spaces and Stacks.
I can see myself using Spaces and Stacks a LOT.
I keep hearing this enthusiasm for Stacks but for the life of me I can't figure out why? Personally I am not thrilled by it at all. I really don't see how it provides any more functionality than is currently present in the dock.
Right now if you click and hold on a dock file icon it opens up the file hierarchy vertically above the file icon. In stacks you click once on the file icon and it opens in an arch (whoop-de-frigin-doo). Or you can set it to open in a grid. Currently you click on the file icon and it opens in a window. (Grid Leopard / Window Tiger) again what's the difference.
Spaces is very useful. Time machine will be a nice safety feature but will probably hardly ever get used by most users (at least most users hope it never has to be used because that usually means a failure of some sort)
I think Leopards greatest assets are speed, mail, better use of intel multi-core processors.
Leopard sounds good. I will pick up a copy this weekend.
And it's cool that you can upgrade without having to redo your existing Boot Camp partition!
And it's cool that you can upgrade without having to redo your existing Boot Camp partition!
Good call. Anyone who isn't 100% positive about Leopard is a "moron critic" who is "trash[ing]" the software.
I myself hate posters who trash reviews and their authors without having even read the reviews. Pogue and Mossberg "don't know crap"? OK, move along.
I guess the braille font must work with special printers that emboss the font on paper. Otherwise, I can't see the use of printed braille.
I guess you could compose some text that you're sending off for someone else to print
Apple is not big on customization. Frankly, I'm surprised they let people adjust the Dock size and magnification.
Generally, Apple's policy is that that they figure out the optimal settings, and then you can sit down and work without having to mess with it. I like it this way - it's not like Linux where you feel obligated to spend 5 hours dicking around and getting things just the way you like them.
My guess is, if enough people dislike the transparent menubar and menus, they will simply increase the opacity in 10.5.1. I'd be money there it will never be a configurable option.
Generally, Apple's policy is that that they figure out the optimal settings, and then you can sit down and work without having to mess with it. I like it this way - it's not like Linux where you feel obligated to spend 5 hours dicking around and getting things just the way you like them.
My guess is, if enough people dislike the transparent menubar and menus, they will simply increase the opacity in 10.5.1. I'd be money there it will never be a configurable option.
Well, not an official configurable option anyway. Just like with the Dock transparency, 3rd parties will give you control of the missing options. There are configurable options built into the OS that are not given a front end preference for the user to tweak, but 3rd parties release programs that give you configurable settings that control the settings already built into the system.
Walt Mossberg really is the ultimate brown noser.
I will continue to type this until my fingers fall off my hands: You can NOT compare Vista to Leopard when it comes to the transition from Tiger to Leopard and XP to Vista. The changes ARE worlds apart. Apple made this transition 7 years ago. And NO ONE. Absolutely NO ONE can claim that it was smooth. Heck the biggest transition Apple has had to deal with over the last 3 years was the migration to x86 which they did almost flawlessly. However, and I will also continue to point this out, the hardware and software that MS has to support dwarf Apple. People bitch about Windows's install size and they don't get that about a quarter of that are drivers. Hell MS is still trying to support DOS based apps in a limited way. When did Apple drop OS 9 based apps support in any meaningful way? Wasn't that in 10.3? The IT industry would have MS roasted on coals if they tried some of the things Apple routinely pulls. Wasn't it until 10.3 (or was it 10.4?) that Apple finally stabilized their API so that it wasn't a moving target from OS to OS. While MS does the same thing they do their damnedest to try and make things backwards compatible while trying to move things forward. Its not easy to fix as big of a security hole that Windows is, and yes it is a HUGE one, without breaking every app out there. Whatever. Go ahead and flame on. Its like banging my head into the Great Wall of China. Fat lot of good it will do.
and this is my biggest bitch about OS X and Apple. Why the heck shouldn't we be able to customize our OS? Its the hight of arrogance to assume that one OS fits everyone's tastes. The simple fact is that it doesn't, and MS realized this long ago. Apple should stop being a snob and integrate a theming engine instead of having third party companies do it. If people like the UI the won't mess with it and leave it alone. For the rest of it it would bring the long forgotten concept of thinking different back to the Mac OS.
I will continue to type this until my fingers fall off my hands: You can NOT compare Vista to Leopard when it comes to the transition from Tiger to Leopard and XP to Vista. The changes ARE worlds apart. Apple made this transition 7 years ago. And NO ONE. Absolutely NO ONE can claim that it was smooth. Heck the biggest transition Apple has had to deal with over the last 3 years was the migration to x86 which they did almost flawlessly. However, and I will also continue to point this out, the hardware and software that MS has to support dwarf Apple. People bitch about Windows's install size and they don't get that about a quarter of that are drivers. Hell MS is still trying to support DOS based apps in a limited way. When did Apple drop OS 9 based apps support in any meaningful way? Wasn't that in 10.3? The IT industry would have MS roasted on coals if they tried some of the things Apple routinely pulls. Wasn't it until 10.3 (or was it 10.4?) that Apple finally stabilized their API so that it wasn't a moving target from OS to OS. While MS does the same thing they do their damnedest to try and make things backwards compatible while trying to move things forward. Its not easy to fix as big of a security hole that Windows is, and yes it is a HUGE one, without breaking every app out there. Whatever. Go ahead and flame on. Its like banging my head into the Great Wall of China. Fat lot of good it will do.
and this is my biggest bitch about OS X and Apple. Why the heck shouldn't we be able to customize our OS? Its the hight of arrogance to assume that one OS fits everyone's tastes. The simple fact is that it doesn't, and MS realized this long ago. Apple should stop being a snob and integrate a theming engine instead of having third party companies do it. If people like the UI the won't mess with it and leave it alone. For the rest of it it would bring the long forgotten concept of thinking different back to the Mac OS.
Why has Apple made menus or anything else transparent? Do they think we need to see what is underneath? If so, why not make it even more transparent so you can actually see what's below? I haven't used Leopard yet, so maybe there is some value in see-through menus that I am not yet aware of. Hopefully, they aren't doing it just to make it look better, because it sure as hell doesn't in my opinion.
Indeed, I think they just wanted to change something for the benefit of changing something. Unfortunately/fortunately Tigers visuals are almost perfect so it's likely that you'll screw something up by changing it, and that's exactly what happened.
It's the height of arrogance to assume that your tastes should be relevant to someone else. It's not like it's a surprise that Apple is a control freak or that they value their aesthetic image. They write software with a set of principles in mind and don't really care whether it appeals to everyone on the face of the earth.
Why? What would be gained from such an act? Inevitably it would be lacking some particular customization that someone would whine about. It would complicate setups and disassociate the aesthetics of the system. Integrated customization is a waste. UNO and ShapeShifter work fine.
People who don't like it can use ShapeShifter or they can tinker with UI resources manually (which, incidentally, is much easier than Windows). It's a non-problem.
"Time Machine keeps multiple backups of everything programs, settings, files, photos, even the operating system itself on a second hard drive (or another Leopard Mac on the network). The need for a second drive is a drag, but its a necessary evil. Besides, hard drives are cheap; you can buy an internal 250-gigabyte one for $75."
The need for a 2nd Hard Drive a drag? Really? For a backup?
And what you restore from should your primary drive fail??
I'm already preparing to move to vista cause the folder icons are prettier !!!!!! ( right.... )
My Leopard just shipped so I'll have it tomorrow...woo hoo!
The need for a 2nd Hard Drive a drag? Really? For a backup?
And what you restore from should your primary drive fail??
I'm already preparing to move to vista cause the folder icons are prettier !!!!!! ( right.... )
My Leopard just shipped so I'll have it tomorrow...woo hoo!
nothing special
in WWDC release, indeed, transparency was, well, too much
but in latest seeds it was just fine (at least in my opinion)
