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Mac OS X Leopard Reviews: NY Times, Wall Street Journal, USA Today

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sananda said:
they seemed to like it :confused:
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I agree with you. The reviewers appeared to like it. Only those that only see Apple as doing all right will see these reviews as really liking Mac OS 10.5. Apple does do a few things wrong, some not as some would like. Generally that does not mean that the software is getting bad reviews. Aperture appears to be one that Apple isn't batting 100% on up to this point.

Bill the TaxMan
 
Uh...

Wow... I must be one of the only Mac users who never realized that the menus were see-thru on Tiger...

I also never realized that I could hold down the mouse button on a folder on the dock to view a list of it's contents...

I need to get out more...
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what I want to know is...

if the freezing issues related to the graphic card of the new iMac Alu will disappear once I install Leopard on my iMac, but I guess this is the one millon dollars question and nobody knows its answer.:confused:
 
Critical mass

irahodges said:
I suggest as soon as everyone gets leopard, we organize a mass e-mailing to apple for ability to slightly customize transparency, aqua scroll bars to iTunes scroll bars, and dock away from 3D features. This can all be done at apple.com/feeback.

I don't see anything wrong with those things, in fact I love the way apple did them so far, but I enjoy choice! Now who's with me??? Chaaaarge
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Sounds good to me. Anyone else?:apple:
 
64 bit

One thing I don't see mentioned much is that 10.5 is 64 bit. Vista requires a another version for 64 bit and it's missing many drivers. 10.5 is 64 bit without driver issues (that I've heard of)
 
ajhill said:
If people don't like the transparent windows, Apple will just put a slider in the systems settings preference pane to adjust the amount of transparency from opaque to transparent.

That's just the "listen to your customer", take charge kind of company that Steve Jobs has been running in the past few years. Why do you think they commandeered another 4% market share from windows.

Sure Bill Gates didn't mind Apple having a 4% market share. But when they doubled it recently to 8.1% you can bet that a few eyebrows went up in Redmond. The next 4% (for a total of 12.1%) will REALLY hurt Microsoft, because the "what if" stories will be starting. With Vista sucking wind I can't wait to install my Leopard :)

Sorry Bill, this round goes to Apple, with a Leopard win. Better luck next time in 2010 with that Windows 7 thing. Maybe instead of Vista you could call it, "Rest Area", where people could take a break from the "Social" and the "Wow" that seems to have started and not really gone anywhere.
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It is just the full circle coming to completion. When you control the software and the hardware it is hard to fail especially when you have a guy leading the way with visionary leadership. As I posted before here it is about critical mass. yes apple has had a small community compared to the MS community, but the :apple: community has been more of a collaborative mindset to improve the environment we all operate with in. This has allowed us, over the years, to gain a strong sense of identity and this my fellow :apple:heads is what will allow us to recruit more members to establish the Apple critical mass.

But we must be careful to ensure that our environment maintains its current levels of openness and collaborativeness otherwise we will sail the way of MS.
 
time machine recovery question

something that came to mind, and sorry if it's a repeat - i haven't followed every leopard thread, with time machine.

every site/review talks about how you recover lost files from leopard using time machine. however, let's say you have 2 drives, one as your OS and one as the time machine. and the main OS drive fails, completely. how does one recover what's on the backup drive? is it bootable? how does that process work?

just curious if anyone has insight on this
 
jelloshotsrule said:
something that came to mind, and sorry if it's a repeat - i haven't followed every leopard thread, with time machine.

every site/review talks about how you recover lost files from leopard using time machine. however, let's say you have 2 drives, one as your OS and one as the time machine. and the main OS drive fails, completely. how does one recover what's on the backup drive? is it bootable? how does that process work?

just curious if anyone has insight on this
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I believe that the restore feature on the Leopard DVD that allows you to choose an iteration of your Time Machine. At least I think I remember reading this somewhere.


Christopher
 
tedhogan said:
Wow... I must be one of the only Mac users who never realized that the menus were see-thru on Tiger...

I also never realized that I could hold down the mouse button on a folder on the dock to view a list of it's contents...

I need to get out more...
:D
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sounds like you are getting out a sufficient amount since you don't know everything about your computer :D
 
MarkMS said:
In my opinion, I like the see-through menus. I have no idea what Pogue is talkin' about when "much is lost".
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And neither does David Pogue. It really aggrivates me that the first "official" reviews always come from he and mossberg, neither one having a concept of Apple products or OSX.

Every review they write strikes me as uninformed and always "missing the point" so to speak. They both seem like they only use OSX on days when there is smething to review and never otherwise.
 
GTiPhone said:
And neither does David Pogue. It really aggrivates me that the first "official" reviews always come from he and mossberg, neither one having a concept of Apple products or OSX.

Every review they right strikes me as uninformed and always "missing the point" so to speak. They both seem like they only use OSX on days when there is smething to review and never otherwise.
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This is the David Pogue who was an Apple enthusiast from the 1980s and 1990s, right? The one who was writing Apple books and columns extolling their machines when the company was in serious financial trouble, right?

I think there are a lot of people who don't know what they're talking about...:rolleyes:
 
gwangung said:
This is the David Pogue who was an Apple enthusiast from the 1980s and 1990s, right? The one who was writing Apple books and columns extolling their machines when the company was in serious financial trouble, right?

I think there are a lot of people who don't know what they're talking about...:rolleyes:
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Yeah, I guess David never turned on an Apple computer when he wrote all of his "Missing Manual" series of books, his hints and tips books, and his past appearances on radio and tv tech shows pushing Apple technology.

Give me a break people, Pogue is a great asset for the Mac community. He loves Apple and OS X. Just because he doesn't like transparent menus that make reading more difficult is no reason to throw him under a bus
 
mrtekkid said:
okay will upgrading also give me 64 bit support too??

what are the advantages and disadvantages of the Archive and Install compared to the Upgrade??
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Your upgrading to Leopard will give you the 64 bit kernel if and only if you have a Core2Duo or newer CPU.

If your CPU isn't 64 bit through and through you won't get those advantages.

If you have a PowerMac G5 you won't get the 64 bit kernel, but you will be able to take advantage of 64 bit extensions in certain areas.

Check System Profiler and read up on your CPU. If it lists 64 bit then you will get all the 64 bit goodness.
 
With all the talk about the translucent menus maybe Apple should allow users to adjust the opacity level of various elements, I don't mind the translucent menus but I can see my preference changing from time to time (depending on background image, my mood, what I'm doing, etc.)

I also think it would be cool to be able to switch UI settings between the different looks Mac OS X has had over the years. I like the UI as it is, but my mood changes on occasion, as do other peoples I believe.
 
arkmannj said:
With all the talk about the translucent menus maybe Apple should allow users to adjust the opacity level of various elements, I don't mind the translucent menus but I can see my preference changing from time to time (depending on background image, my mood, what I'm doing, etc.)

I also think it would be cool to be able to switch UI settings between the different looks Mac OS X has had over the years. I like the UI as it is, but my mood changes on occasion, as do other peoples I believe.
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Until there is an API properly flushed out in all manner of leaks, stack overflows, etc., and a consistency requirement you won't be seeing that.

Themes on OS 9 and prior were more often than not, BUTTUGLY. They were also hacks and tends to crash the system. They make the UI morphs of OS X look like paradise by comparison.

If people want something interesting they should be screaming for features that can exploit Resolution Independence.
 
jelloshotsrule said:
every site/review talks about how you recover lost files from leopard using time machine. however, let's say you have 2 drives, one as your OS and one as the time machine. and the main OS drive fails, completely. how does one recover what's on the backup drive? is it bootable? how does that process work?

just curious if anyone has insight on this
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I'm fairly certain that the backup made with Time Machine is fully bootable. We'll know for sure tomorrow, happily.
 
gauchogolfer said:
I'm fairly certain that the backup made with Time Machine is fully bootable. We'll know for sure tomorrow, happily.
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I don't think that the Time Machine backup itself is bootable. The procedure will be to boot from the original Leopard disk and then restore from the Time machine backup.

Either way the procedure should be fairly painless and foolproof.
 
digitalbiker said:
I don't think that the Time Machine backup itself is bootable. The procedure will be to boot from the original Leopard disk and then restore from the Time machine backup.

Either way the procedure should be fairly painless and foolproof.
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That's what I've heard also.
 
Braz0s said:
One thing I don't see mentioned much is that 10.5 is 64 bit. Vista requires a another version for 64 bit and it's missing many drivers. 10.5 is 64 bit without driver issues (that I've heard of)
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i really like that
however, i think they wrote every code of driver again to make 64bit code
do u think they did that?
 
Time Machine w/ NAS?

Does anyone know (or have any thoughts) as to why Apple won't allow Time Machine to work with NAS?

I had bought a 2TB server a while back under the assumption the Time Machine would work with it.

What if i have a dedicated mac connected to the NAS (i.e. the NAS would be mounted onto the mac) and then Time Machine on the networked computers in the house would go through that mounted drive.

I assume Time Machine will work with any drive connected to the Airport Extreme...but what's the difference between that and NAS?

thanks,
Joe
 
jk8311 said:
Does anyone know (or have any thoughts) as to why Apple won't allow Time Machine to work with NAS?

I had bought a 2TB server a while back under the assumption the Time Machine would work with it.

What if i have a dedicated mac connected to the NAS (i.e. the NAS would be mounted onto the mac) and then Time Machine on the networked computers in the house would go through that mounted drive.

I assume Time Machine will work with any drive connected to the Airport Extreme...but what's the difference between that and NAS?

thanks,
Joe
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I don't think Apple is going to purposely exclude Airport Extreme or NAS filesystems for Time Machine Backups. I just think it isn't going to be initially supported because Apple hasn't gotten it bug free yet.

I think eventually Apple will want to use .Mac as a storage site for TM backups as well. Most likely these options will be added with future updates to 10.5.
 
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