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Mac OS X Lion Building in Support for Super High Resolution 'Retina' Monitors
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The OS X dock has had vector scaling since its introduction. It works wonderfully, and I don't understand why the same technology can't be applied to the rest of the UI--like the Finder's menu bar and window toolbars, for example, which shouldn't be any more complex.
I've been waiting for res independence for, well, forever. Simply offering a pair of size options (if I am interpreting the rumor correctly) is not resolution independence.
Sometimes I wonder if Apple is doing this intentionally to discourage people from using its OS with non-Apple devices.
This is not surprising giving that the CEDIA reps this year were already talking about the proliferation of 4K televisions hitting the market by next year. I would certainly expect to see 2K monitors becoming more prevalent as we move forward.
kwrx, with al due respect....... how old are you, exactly, do you have 21/20 vision?....... i hope you do , i do not........... sbtw my eyes are 51 years old and retina display on my partner's iphone4 does not look different to the display on my 3gs, the bloody screen is still too small........ 4.5inches maybe? 10 is always better........
This is how it goes...
New monitor
= need for new more expensive video card with more memory
= new computer
Getting this monitor will push you to get an entire new computer, the video ram will run out in no time, then the ram and hard drive because every software will need better icons.
At the end everything will very slow anyway for the amount of graphic data needed to be transferred.
New monitor
= need for new more expensive video card with more memory
= new computer
Getting this monitor will push you to get an entire new computer, the video ram will run out in no time, then the ram and hard drive because every software will need better icons.
At the end everything will very slow anyway for the amount of graphic data needed to be transferred.
Good grief, Captain Obvious, we've all been through elementary school math too.
Actually, it's not that obvious to most people
Are you typing this on Window 3.11 in Mosaic Netscape browser? I bet you are still using serial mouse and keyboard.
How is the 14.4 bps modem going.
The problem is getting everything and everybody on board. RI is nice to have but if at first 80% of all apps will look horribly broken, nobody will use it. And tell me, what is the modification date of the oldest app you semi-regularly use? I would guess it is a couple of years. Do you want to live with several years of horribly broken apps?
Thunderbolt is essentially just an external PCI Express bus. Adding USB 3 support to a Thunderbolt breakout cable or breakout box will be no more difficult than creating a USB 3 PCI Express card for a Mac Pro or desktop PC. USB 3 will be in the first generation of Thunderbolt products.
Exactly. It's basically a dumb pipe. It's the most backwards compatible and future proof standard out.
I always get such a kick out of people who insist that high definition content shouldn't matter to me.
YES! Absolutely YES! Because apparently if I don't I will be living with ruined eyes for the rest of my life. Dear god make it stop!
Seriously though, if *most* people would leave it at 72 DPI (or whatever the default is) then it's only horribly broken for people who want to put up with it. Put the knob there so people can fiddle with it and then point all of the complaints directly towards the developers who aren't properly supporting it. Bring the pain so we'll get some gain.
I'm a little confused - while higher resolution is very welcome, I don't understand why this is so much simpler for developers. Unless Apple standardise their entire range of laptops, iMacs and external displays, there aren't going to be just 2 'resolutions' to support - normal and 'Retina', but all the different resolutions for different screen sizes.
Or do they mean developers will just deal with two pixel densities - normal and Retina - but use the same graphics for different screen sizes?
Or do they mean developers will just deal with two pixel densities - normal and Retina - but use the same graphics for different screen sizes?
What's really the point though?
All websites would have to make their websites for the retina display, so what's really the point? Designers and editors don't need that.
All websites would have to make their websites for the retina display, so what's really the point? Designers and editors don't need that.
I think that apart from people with really bad eyesight nobody will put up with broken apps. Will developers adjust their apps if only 0.001% of their users would make use of it?
To make sure I am not misunderstood, I do not think that only 0.001% of all people would want to use RI, I am saying that only 0.001% will put up with the brokenness of most apps.
Websites would be the least affected as all modern browsers already have RI built-in, via their Zoom commands. And this works far better than current RI implementations in desktop OSes. Simply because web content is setup to be rendered on the fly already.
Unrelated.... Had to share... funny...
This is unrelated but I wanted to share.
In case you have not seen one of the very cheap knock-off iPads... look at this. What spec's! And look at the resolution! Funny.
http://www.dhgate.com/google-androi...-inch/p-ff8080812a45e179012a527d3322384d.html
Note watermark on the images... I wonder if they really know what "Kaka" is slang for?
This is unrelated but I wanted to share.
In case you have not seen one of the very cheap knock-off iPads... look at this. What spec's! And look at the resolution! Funny.
http://www.dhgate.com/google-androi...-inch/p-ff8080812a45e179012a527d3322384d.html
Note watermark on the images... I wonder if they really know what "Kaka" is slang for?
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/8C148a)
If anyone saw my posts in previous entries, I did mention that a big feature in the next MacBook Pro design for later 2011 is it's screen. I don't know the details but that is supposed to be a big selling point.
If anyone saw my posts in previous entries, I did mention that a big feature in the next MacBook Pro design for later 2011 is it's screen. I don't know the details but that is supposed to be a big selling point.
I doubt resolution independence will truly take off before you can scale your UI on a sliding scale (from say 30% to 300% or similar). That way you COULD fit a lot of stuff on a 1280x800 desktop but it would become quite pixelated, or you could use a 22" 4000x3000 (or whatever size) screen and still have readable menus, button that aren't almost impossible to see and so on.
Hoping that one day screen resolution won't affect my work area anymore, just the quality of the things displayed on it.
Hoping that one day screen resolution won't affect my work area anymore, just the quality of the things displayed on it.
Yeah. "HiPDI display mode" will be nice and all, but it's still the same heavy raster model, just a better heavier one. Long term, it seems to me vectors will ultimately have to be the paradigm for true resolution independence.
40? Try under 30 I bet.
I am early 30's and I find the MacBook Pro 17 inch (1920 by 1200 pixels - 132 dpi) often leaves graphic elements too small. Especially after a long day of coding/writing.
I do get more real estate but not sure its worth the trade off in all day usability. Often I end up connecting to a larger monitor with lower resolution so that everything is bigger and I don't need to stare hard at the display.
I for one like the idea of large 'retina' displays as it will render text much more smoothly making reading a screen much more paper like. I am sure this will bother some, but I think this is actually a good direction to be heading in.
I am early 30's and I find the MacBook Pro 17 inch (1920 by 1200 pixels - 132 dpi) often leaves graphic elements too small. Especially after a long day of coding/writing.
I do get more real estate but not sure its worth the trade off in all day usability. Often I end up connecting to a larger monitor with lower resolution so that everything is bigger and I don't need to stare hard at the display.
I for one like the idea of large 'retina' displays as it will render text much more smoothly making reading a screen much more paper like. I am sure this will bother some, but I think this is actually a good direction to be heading in.
Nope, I'm in my early 30s also. I can't stand low DPI. 130 is just barely good enough, 160 would be better at normal viewing distances. I drool each time I see a Sony Vaio Z... I jumped on the MBA for one reason alone, the screen.
Again, as long as RI allows us Screen real-estate fanatics to get our way and you blind people to get yours, I'm all for it. If however I have to sacrifice my UI scaling when getting higher DPI screens, then count me in the against camp.
Apple needs to stop supporting pixel based image formats for the UI and just switch everything to SVG. KDE supported SVG icons back in the 2.x days in the late 90s for cripes sake.