I hope not. I like being able to close the iTunes window and still have the music play. "Minimizing" is stupid; closing the window, not the app, is far better.
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Mac OS X Lion Notes: iOS Scroll Bars, Any Corner Resizing, Dock Changes
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I hope not. I like being able to close the iTunes window and still have the music play. "Minimizing" is stupid; closing the window, not the app, is far better.
Nothing about this OS makes me feel it is necessary for productivity or improvement of function.
This might be the first OSX I won't use. Or if I do use it, it will definitely be mid-2012 or beyond.
The Mac brand is at an awkward crossroads for the next few years. We're on the edge of a major shift in computer function/design as tablets will overtake laptops creating portable tabletop computers (when the processing and memory picks up), the tabletops will begin to go touch, USB3 is coming... I'd buy no new hardware to replace existing stuff until some of this stuff gets improved and worked out. The next MacOS seems anemic and an excuse to sell a software suite unless there is a specific hardware platform it is necessary for.
This might be the first OSX I won't use. Or if I do use it, it will definitely be mid-2012 or beyond.
The Mac brand is at an awkward crossroads for the next few years. We're on the edge of a major shift in computer function/design as tablets will overtake laptops creating portable tabletop computers (when the processing and memory picks up), the tabletops will begin to go touch, USB3 is coming... I'd buy no new hardware to replace existing stuff until some of this stuff gets improved and worked out. The next MacOS seems anemic and an excuse to sell a software suite unless there is a specific hardware platform it is necessary for.
So, what you are trying to say is that you need to have that functionality in order to perform tasks that are either forbidden by your employer or violate the user agreement for your phone company????
Maybe you can come up with some different reasons that don't include illegality or unethical behavior to illustrate your point.
Well..... do or die was a bit of an exaggeration - but the growth in Mac will only go so far on the back of the iphone/ipad if they don't stay ahead of windows in functionality. I'm not sure they have got back to the percentage market share they had in the early to mid 80's and then they almost disappeared into oblivion in the 90s as a result of being overpriced and under-featured (people really did like colour after all - and apple took a while to catch on to this with there mac line - almost dying in the process - they don't want to make that mistake again!)
That is just one example... Anyway he needs to ensure the apps are closed so he *doesn't* violate terms of usage..... You shouldn't have to go through hoops just to find what apps are running.
If your just an average user who uses internet and email then you aren't going to be aware of the implications ( much like the threat of Java being discontinued on OSX - "but I don't use Java, why do *I* care" type of response), the more "power user" you are, the more consequences occur.
You know the over riding feeling I get from sitting back and watching what Apple is slowly and quietly doing as the years go by?
I looks like they are trying to more and more dumb down their machines for the consumer, making things more foolproof and easier to do (which is good) but also taking away options, preferences etc.
All well and good if you are happy to work the Apple way, but I do wonder if people who actually enjoy computers (as opposed to just using them for a task) will, as time goes on get more and more frustrated by this.
I looks like they are trying to more and more dumb down their machines for the consumer, making things more foolproof and easier to do (which is good) but also taking away options, preferences etc.
All well and good if you are happy to work the Apple way, but I do wonder if people who actually enjoy computers (as opposed to just using them for a task) will, as time goes on get more and more frustrated by this.
Won't need the blue light. They'll cache everything into flash memory when not in use. Loads fast enough.
Programs that need to run in the background will be managed like in iOS.
App store will ensure these programs follow the rules.
If you stick with the app store then you'll have a much better odds of a more secure smoother running Mac.
Programs that need to run in the background will be managed like in iOS.
App store will ensure these programs follow the rules.
If you stick with the app store then you'll have a much better odds of a more secure smoother running Mac.
Right, so that means they cannot do it?
It's a highly requested feature and Apple are implementing it. That is that. It's not mean to be innovative.
What is it about sneak preview that you people don't get
Exactly. And Apple is sneak-previewing those feature that need application support, e.g. the App Store and background task behavior, because they need to make this public to programmers anyway and then it couldn't be kept secret anyway. No need to preview changes to iCal or to Safari or to Pages or to whatever, so they didn't do it.
Apple used to do computers better than anyone.
Then came the iPod.
Now Apple is making it's computers to become more like the iPod (OS-wise).
Apple seems to be shifting it's consumer base to be iPad-type use - i.e. light computing, browsing, and on-the-road editing.
Maybe the time for a PC is coming up...
Then came the iPod.
Now Apple is making it's computers to become more like the iPod (OS-wise).
Apple seems to be shifting it's consumer base to be iPad-type use - i.e. light computing, browsing, and on-the-road editing.
Maybe the time for a PC is coming up...
my first thought about OS Lion
As of right now,
I don't like the loss of the light beacon below a launched app in the dock. That's a very useful feature and I hope Apple decides against this in the long term.
But resizing windows from anywhere is a nice feature. I guess I'll have to see it in action but so far more yeas than the sole nay.
As of right now,
I don't like the loss of the light beacon below a launched app in the dock. That's a very useful feature and I hope Apple decides against this in the long term.
But resizing windows from anywhere is a nice feature. I guess I'll have to see it in action but so far more yeas than the sole nay.
... and everything will be more expensive... do you think MATLAB, Office, and most games will give up 30% profits to Apple by putting their stuff on App Store?
Removing the indicator from running applications from computer does not work for me and I suspect most people. It is fine for a hand-held device when you shouldn't run more than 2 things at a time, but when I have a large screen on a real computer I want that information visible at all times unless I am in a full screen. Putting indicators on the menu bar doesn't work for two reasons, the menu bar already has too many items on it and it divorces the app launching from it's status. The application launcher is the Dock, that it where I want the indicator. That way if the app isn't running, I just keep my focus there where I always know the app is and click the icon. I don't want to have to look at the top of my screen, scan the whole menu bar, confirm a negative (that the app isn't running, also, what order would they be in?), then move to the bottom of my 27" screen, find the icon and then launch it. That just violates logic and would make the OS harder to use.
I bet the fact that the indicators weren't there in the demo is due more to the fact that they are using a hybrid version, some new Lion features running in what is Snow Leopard. The Mission Control mode has to interact with running apps, so they probably disable the indicator lights status (or something like that beyond my knowledge) in the build.
I feel this could signal a step forward. Think about apps like iCal, you just close it and it saves state, or iTunes where if you close it you have to click on the icon in the dock to relaunch it. Where Safari if you close it you can press command+N to open it again. There already is some inconsistency between how apps launch and resume and this should iron those out.
It is nice to have iOS began after newer ways of thinking have evolved and Mac OS giving up some of the conventions that exist just because they have been there since the beginning.
It is nice to have iOS began after newer ways of thinking have evolved and Mac OS giving up some of the conventions that exist just because they have been there since the beginning.
I stand by my opinion although, in certain scenarios such as the ones described by you, a solution is required (thanks for detailing these, because most other people here just insist they need to know what's running without giving a reason, and that makes any discussion impossible, as evidenced by all those YES-NO-YES IDIOT-NO MORON discussions here
). But for Skype, Transmission and MSN it should be sufficient to log off. If not, then your IT department has an issue with common sense.
The mobile data plans certainly are a problem, but they already are now with lots of apps. Look and Windows, which downloads all system updates by default without asking. Or Google Chrome, or (very soon now) Acrobat Reader. All OSes in my opinion need a system-wide switch to allow or disallow background downloading of large amounts of data.
True. The three concepts of making windows disappear while keeping the app are on OS X are, IMO, confusing. (1) closing a window but keeping the app, (2) minimizing a window (and keeping the app), and (3) hiding a window (and keeping the app) never made any sense to me. I use minimizing all the time on Windows, but hardly ever on OS X.
Uh ? My phone company allows me to use Skype, MSN, Torrents, whatever, they don't care. But I do care if I get billed for it at the end of the month. Visual cue is better than CMD+TAB.
My employer doesn't care if I plug my machine in. He cares however if torrent/MSN/Skype traffic appears on the network. Again, Visual cue is better than CMD+TAB.
I did, you just inferred illegality and unethical behavior where there wasn't any in a bid to squash my argument that this is a step backward, because you can't provide a counter argument to the contrary.
CMD+q is much faster than "logging off".
Currently : Light on, click icon, CMD+Q. No lights ? Plug in.
Rumored Lion : CMD+TAB multiple times, CMD+Q multiple times.
Let's hope Apple comes up with a better quick visual cue than having to CMD+Tab.
Please god no. That was one good thing about leaving OS9 behind.
yeah right
Of course iOS has a multitasking bar to help distinguish between what is running and what is not. It would be idiotic of Apple to deactivate this state in the Dock and then make you click some keys for it to show up iOS style.
"It makes no difference" myth ran rampant before the first official release of MacOS X, because OS X was going to be so modern and wonderful that the concept of running and not running was irrelevant. While I think MacOS X did turn to be wonderful, you definitely did need to know to what was running and what wasn't. Leaving Doom 3 running as a background process---you are gonna notice.
The conversation sounds odd to me. This has nothing to with multitasking and needing to be aware of what is running (which like I said, iOS does tell you!) It should be about whether you need a new state for self saving apps. I would think No. Running v. not running is plenty. Hopefully the lack of dots in the dock was due to a mockup leaving out some critical details for the rest of us.
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Of course iOS has a multitasking bar to help distinguish between what is running and what is not. It would be idiotic of Apple to deactivate this state in the Dock and then make you click some keys for it to show up iOS style.
"It makes no difference" myth ran rampant before the first official release of MacOS X, because OS X was going to be so modern and wonderful that the concept of running and not running was irrelevant. While I think MacOS X did turn to be wonderful, you definitely did need to know to what was running and what wasn't. Leaving Doom 3 running as a background process---you are gonna notice.
The conversation sounds odd to me. This has nothing to with multitasking and needing to be aware of what is running (which like I said, iOS does tell you!) It should be about whether you need a new state for self saving apps. I would think No. Running v. not running is plenty. Hopefully the lack of dots in the dock was due to a mockup leaving out some critical details for the rest of us.
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So is changing the dock like that going to raise hell with applications that are running at shutdown? Is this talk of applications starting quickly once they have run some sort of 'hibernation' scheme? It sounds like this 'new innovation' could be trouble for too many people and their programs.
I like the old Dock and the 'light' to show what's running. 'Breaking' it like this leak claims just doesn't make sense. And the 'light' is so simple too...
This leads me to a perhaps silly question: What is the current state of OS X multitasking? Does OS X 'multitask' or is it where the current active application rules? Sorry if it's a silly question but I haven't noticed... I think that early on I would start iTunes ripping a CD and then switch to FireFox or some other program and the iTunes rip would often have gaps or other badness so I figure it's not the greatest at multitasking. I now rip on a dedicated machine and wait until it's done to use it for other things...
I like the old Dock and the 'light' to show what's running. 'Breaking' it like this leak claims just doesn't make sense. And the 'light' is so simple too...
This leads me to a perhaps silly question: What is the current state of OS X multitasking? Does OS X 'multitask' or is it where the current active application rules? Sorry if it's a silly question but I haven't noticed... I think that early on I would start iTunes ripping a CD and then switch to FireFox or some other program and the iTunes rip would often have gaps or other badness so I figure it's not the greatest at multitasking. I now rip on a dedicated machine and wait until it's done to use it for other things...
I think Knight has a very valid point. What exactly is illegal or unethical about using Skype?
The point is, that there are places where peer-to-peer Software or Social Networking Software will lead to your computer being blocked. Personally I would be extremely pi$$ed off, if it happened to me, only because I forgot to close Skype which was running unnoticeably in the background. Wouldn't you?