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Has anyone tested if Time Machine can back up a encrypted disk?
I understand your frustration but from my experience I noticed people with old hardware also have old software including people running Windows. It really shouldn't affect a person with a first generation 32-bit Intel Mac. They probably still have the original Tiger installed with the original iLife and iWork and are happy. Macs are really for early adopters anyway if you think about it.
Don't you think it's much more likely that given that the OS isn't finished yet, you know, because it's not finished yet. Should the first developer preview come with drivers for every device developers are unlikely to have installed in a machine dedicated to testing against new OS versions?
Hopefully this rant will put some context on the subject of modernity... Intel Core 2 Duo or better? Snow Leopard was the final axe on Power PC and it looks like Lion Will exclude most macs that are over 5 years old. Time to move on... I remember losing 68K support when Mac OS 8.5 was released some 13 years ago, but somehow I managed. I still got Macs that are useful running OS 9.2-10.6 on hardware ranging from G3, G4, G5, Core 2 Duo and i7. Not having the latest OS on your machine does not make it useless or grossly obsolete.
Some people may whine about losing support on original Core Duos but sometimes I scratch my head and wonder why there is no support for the latest versions of OSX on the G5 or for that matter the G4,or G3.
Some people may whine about losing support on original Core Duos but sometimes I scratch my head and wonder why there is no support for the latest versions of OSX on the G5 or for that matter the G4,or G3.
Hopefully this rant will put some context on the subject of modernity... Intel Core 2 Duo or better? Snow Leopard was the final axe on Power PC and it looks like Lion Will exclude most macs that are over 5 years old. Time to move on... I remember losing 68K support when Mac OS 8.5 was released some 13 years ago, but somehow I managed. I still got Macs that are useful running OS 9.2-10.6 on hardware ranging from G3, G4, G5, Core 2 Duo and i7. Not having the latest OS on your machine does not make it useless or grossly obsolete.
Some people may whine about losing support on original Core Duos but sometimes I scratch my head and wonder why there is no support for the latest versions of OSX on the G5 or for that matter the G4,or G3.
the problem with Apple is they tend to do support dropping of older OS as soon as the new one comes out. Compare that to MS which will fully support and release Service packs after a replacement OS comes out. XP got SP3 and now it is just security updates from here on out.
Apple drops mainstream support as soon as the next OS comes out. This means Devs tend to stop supporting the older OS's and Apple stops supporting it as well. Apple has a habit of force upgrading people.
At the company where I work, we have 32-Bit Windows 7 running WELL on notebooks that are older than the oldest Intel Macs. You can imagine how hard it would be to make a business case for Apple hardware in such an environment, and I know from experience that we are no exception with our management's "spend as little as possible on computer equipment" philosophy.
People use computers to make money with them, not to spend money on them. That's why Apple has not been successful anymore in corporate environments since they stopped selling the Apple II.
Well, Microsoft might also drop the support for 32-Bit PCs (read: PCs, not slates/tablets/toys) with the forthcoming Windows 8, at least that was their original plan. But the difference to Apple is that they will be forced to support Windows 7 for MANY years to come, and that includes the 32-Bit version.
And the Linux crowd doesn't even have such problems. Linux still runs on old PowerPCs, and 32-Bit Intel/AMD CPUs are extraordinarily well supported anyhow.
Of course a new OS release won't instantly render your computer unusable. Problem is, Apple will ensure you're forced to upgrade. They'll do something like release the App Store, which will only run on the newest OS. They'll only allow their keynote videos to play under Lion. Or they'll make iTunes only run under current software. Remember, despite what they might tell you, Apple is money-driven. They'll do whatever makes them the most money, and not supporting "legacy" systems is the first step in getting those users to upgrade and getting more $$$ to line their pockets. Sick, sick.
Feh. My first Mac is a 2007 Santa Rosa 17" MBP which I got in Nov. 2007. I'm using it right now. Before that I had a Compaq laptop which lasted 1 year before it fell apart. Before that was a Sony that lasted 1.5 years. Another Sony before that - after 1.5 years the battery, ethernet port, and hinge were busted.
Not to mention that I had to keep upgraded PC's to deal with the latest versions of windows.
Macs last much longer than windows machines in my experience. (At work I'm on my 9th dell laptop in 4 years. And we've been running Windows XP the whole time).
Not really (although I certainly hope you're right). As I understand it, any drive that follows the TRIM spec should work. Rewriting drivers should not be necessary. I am however not an expert on TRIM in any way, shape, or form.
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thats something i have always hoped to see in a OS
thats something i have always hoped to see in a OS
Unfortunately CUDA is a lot more mature, and, at least in my field, already heavily used. I have remote access to Tesla machines, but it'd be nice to test CUDA code on my laptop
Or you have to have a SATA III card in your MP, which I'm betting will be the next upgrade for a lot of folks on this board given the speeds SSDs are now hitting
32bit EFI is not an impediment to running the OS in 64bit
I'm sorry, but this sounds like an exaggerated lieeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm so serious. And I had that 2007 macbook, with it's plastic that chips, and the swollen battery. Paid a premium for that.
It isn't a lie. It's simply my experience. It could be I've had an incredible string of bad luck, but I know of lot's of other folks with such luck.
As for your MB, sorry to hear it. But the MB in 2007 wasn't exactly a "premium" machine.
Exactly. And that's why Apple institutes forced obsolescence. They know they make good quality stuff, which is why they need to find other ways to get you to give them your money.
I don't like it.
Nah. They just don't want to dedicate the engineering resources to make their new stuff run flawlessly on old hardware, and they don't want their new features to be limited by lowest common denominator hardware.
Remember Vista with the interface depending on how modern your hardware is? Apple would never do anything that stupid.
this is a weak argument. The only person who forces obsolescence of _any_ technology is the end user.
My 2010 MBP will still operate 5 years from now. The apps which run on it will still run on it 5 years from now. Sure, browser technology & standards will change during that 5 years...iTunes will change...etc.etc. But the same basic functionality I appreciate & come to expect from it will still be there. I do _not_ need whatever future iteration of OS X?? Apple releases 5 years from now. When/if they discontinue support for Snow Leopard and have moved on to Running Hamster or whatever...I will be left with a fast machine, a stable, bug-free version of Snow Leopard..a fully functional version of iTunes...and the ability to continue to run the latest & greatest browser....likewise, Logic will still work on my machine..so will Photoshop (so what if I can't run CS 23.xxxx CS 5.0 will suit me for years..as it will many corporations..hell, the top 20 newspaper I used to work for STILL used 10 year old Macs in mission-critical production areas)...anyway -
tl;dr - Forced Obsolescence is weak argument. Don't buy it if you don't need it. Be happy with what you have.
Actually, Apple has done exactly that (and Windows 7 does it as well).
See http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1582
Big difference between a special effect when doing fast user switching (are there any other examples?) and the huge variations in every aspect of the interface that occurred with vista.
I really hope that they add it as an update to Snow Leopard. Windows supports it, why not the 'superior' OS?
Most of the Macs at Schloss Truffy are now C2D minimum, and the ones that aren't are being sunsetted. But I feel nervous about the fact that the Mac Mini Server that I ordered on Thursday, and which is yet to arrive, will be the minimum spec for Lion. What about 10.8? Unless this is a 32-bit vs. 64-bit thing, in which case I'm good
By and large, I agree with you. I only replaced my PowerMac G5 and PowerBook G4 this year (with a MacPro and MBA), despite the fact that they are 5-8 years old and the PPC had been abandoned years ago.
But the one flaw in your argument comes to security updates. Vulnerabilities may be patched, but I don't know whether Apple's policy of current plus previous only applies to general updates or to critical updates too.
I agree. I am amazed at the number of people here who blithely dump one year old computers or phones or tablets to buy the next model.
I have my 2008 mac pro and I'm still waiting for the OS and software to make full use of its ram and processors.
I have a 2007 MBP santa rosa and I did put in a 256gb ssd, and it's a fantastic machine.
My iphone is a mere 3g but it's perfectly useful for everything I need and there is no reason to upgrade.
I have also been saving a ton of money in the past year since I stopped buying all the mac magazines. They used to be about using real software and hardware and were instructive, but they have all degenerated into ad rags pandering to ios fluff. By the time that the ipad matures into a viable computing option, as opposed to a toy, I will have saved enough money avoiding the magazines that I will be able to buy one.
When I hunger for some interesting computer information, I tend to buy one of the more serious PC mags these days.
What!? Apple's operating system doesn't support hardware from 3rd party vendors? Surely you jest! Apple is an American freedom loving company that supports democracy, open trade and open software (just look how OSX is based on FreeBSD!). Besides, Apple offers all kinds of BTO options when you purchase their computers with very reasonable prices on everything so there is no need buy 3rd party anything ever anyway!
According to whom? YOU??? You realize they were still making the PPC G5 Quad 5 years ago, right? There was some overlap with early Intel and PPC until the Mac Pro was released.
IN any case, some people might not agree with your thinking. My MBP is Core2Duo and I still think it's rotten of Apple to arbitrarily dump support of computers that still potentially have plenty of life left in them.
Maybe it's because I don't play so many games as I used to or maybe it's because you only need so much power to run a flipping web browser that I just don't feel the need to buy a new computer every other year anymore. Clearly, I'm not the only one that feels that way and Apple is looking for ways to try and push that schedule up. If a new Mac cost what an average new PC cost, it might not be so bad, but buying a new $2000+ computer every 3 years is ridiculous, IMO. I've got better things to spend my money on.
Panther???? 5 or 6 years ago? How much do you know about the Mac again?
You must not look very hard or have any idea what a "long time" means given the Quad G5 was still being made a mere 5 years ago (not a very long time for a computer of its caliber). I'm typing this on my 2001-era PowerMac Digital Audio upgraded to 1.8GHz and dual 1.5TB Satas (with a 3TB external USB3 connected as well). I bought it less than 5 years ago (used). Given the majority of the apps I run on it are browser/e-mail plus serving my whole house audio system, it still runs perfectly fine (at least until Apple stops supporting iTunes on it).
You don't need a brand new computer to run 90% of non-game apps. The problem is not the hardware, but when developers stop supporting a platform in software. Computers used to be something you bought when you needed better hardware. These days, hardly anyone (but gamers) "needs" a new computer to run software. I mean how much power does it take to run a flipping word processor or e-mail program for goodness sake??? Apple makes their money from hardware so the push is to force hardware upgrades whether you need them or not.
What is a "major" revision? 10.6 and 10.7 are both pretty darn light on features. Apple seems to be into doing a 'major' release version now to drop hardware more than to add features (like they used to do with Tiger inside minor revisions). Now when you count Windows versions, you seem to skip all the actual large updates (free updates at that). XP had SP1, SP2 and SP3. Vista had SP1 and SP2. Windows7 is really Vista SP3. So this "release" schedule is little more than a labeling game of what is "major" and what is not. You might as well compare Classic Mac OS to Win95/98/ME and OSX to XP/SP1/2/3. By that way of counting, the Mac is behind the times. It's really just how you count. If you start at OSX's introduction compared to XP you have 6 revisions of OSX released since then and Windows has had 8 (XP/SP1/SP2/SP3), (Vista/SP1/SP2), Windows7.
Traditionally, this is where the Mac used to shine. Yes, you paid more, but you got a lot more potential shelf life (unless you really needed newer features). Apple has gotten used to being a fat cat these past several years and clearly that's just not good enough. You need to buy a new machine every other year now whether you need it or not. Just wait. They'll put in a self-destruct meltdown "feature" in new computers eventually. "Sorry, your computer has reached its expiration date. Please take it to the nearest Apple store to be disposed of and to purchase a new one!" It reminds me of a certain Red Dwarf episode....
Except that many developers don't support older versions of the OS after the new one comes out.
You can buy a machine that supports Windows7 for under $300.
What's your point?