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More likely it requires a 64-bit processor, which Core 2 Duo processors are, and the original Core Solo/Duo processor are not.

Your company is switching to PC's because they last longer? That's a new one.

PCs do last longer in the corp environment, every single elitebook my company has bough has 3 years parts and labor by default, apple have some garbage 1 yr warranty and you have to pay for phone support
 
Recovery partitions are a way for Microsoft and OEMs to avoid shipping installation media. Typically, this is "protected" so you can't easily ditch the shovelware some OEMs force on your PCs. You typically reimage back to the same state the computer was in when it shipped from the factory. Ugh!

Besides, if it's the drive that fails, what good is a recovery partition going to do anyone? Recovery partitions only seem like a good idea to people who can't boot from an external drive in the first place. FWIW, I can burn a copy of the Apple utility disk from any computer, if I didn't already have the foresight to do it in advance.

recovery partitions are only for people that enjoying getting ripped off by futureshop/bestbuy/geeksquad

personally, the first thing my new laptop will run is DBAN, the next is memtest, then Win7 ultimate install off usb. letting that OEM automated setup thrash the living hell out of the HDD is not my way to start off clean.

but in the case of my newest laptop, it got an SSD so i skipped right to memtest
 
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13" MacBook Pro + 3 year Apple Care = $1450

HP EliteBook with similar spec to 13"MBP = $1850 (but, comes standard with three year warranty).
 
13" MacBook Pro + 3 year Apple Care = $1450

HP EliteBook with similar spec to 13"MBP = $1850 (but, comes standard with three year warranty).

i guess your distributor sucks or something, we get top of the line elitebook 8440p with 8gb ram and 160gb intel SSD's for $1200 each, we also have onsite 4 hour tech support.

check the price on techdata or synnex

these elitebooks have the following

i7 quad cores
8gb ram
160gb ssd
nvs 3100 graphics
WLAN cards (for sim cards, something no mac has)
9 cell batteries (longer than 10 hours surfing the INTERNET wireless, also we got some secondary batteries to make them last 16 hours.

these laptops are blazing fast to image, 2 minutes each via esata (10GB image compressed)
 
In before people whining about how it won't run on their 8 year old Intel PowerBook and cursing Apple.

Gee, I wasn't aware Apple offered an Intel x86 computer 8 years ago.... :rolleyes:


I think the move simply points to what I've been saying about OSX and Apple in general. They are dumping support for older machines much faster than in the past and therefore are trying to force hardware upgrades much sooner than the hardware itself would ever dictate. Snow Leopard lost PPC. Lion is losing Pre-Core2Duo. Whatever comes after Lion will probably lose Core2Duo (and that will probably be in mere 2012, thus making mere 3 year old computers obsolete).

Is OSX really that inefficient? No. It's Apple trying to make a buck off your misery (as usual as of late). I hope when Steve finally goes, he takes the greedy attitude with him. People used to brag about Macs lasting longer than PCs (even with the "Apple Tax" gouging). No longer.

More likely it requires a 64-bit processor, which Core 2 Duo processors are, and the original Core Solo/Duo processor are not.

Your company is switching to PC's because they last longer? That's a new one.

Correction. It's a relatively new one. Apple has made sure of that. Drop support for iOS devices older than 2 years and all Macs older than 3 years in the future. It's great! ;)

Yes, people can use the older versions of the OS, but unlike Windows, many Apple developers don't bother to support older OS revisions (out of sheer laziness) and thus you will find your older system out-of-date sooner than you think.

The sad thing is that the GPUs are what are typically horribly outdated in Macs and that's when they're brand new in the box. :eek:

Too bad Apple doesn't spend its time doing something about that instead.

Yep. And while yes, it sucks for those who have a Core Duo or Solo, it's a much needed move to complete the transition to a near-fully 64-bit OS.

And why pray-tell is there a need for that? One of the advantages of OSX over Windows has been the support for 32-bit apps and drivers within the 64-bit OS (thus offering ONE version of OSX for all) and having none of the memory limitations of Windows 32-bit. So unless an app really needs more than 4GB of memory, I don't see much advantage to compiling it for 64-bit (some articles suggest the CPU may run a bit more efficiently in 64-bit, but I've seen little else to suggest a big advantage for an individual app in OSX) and I don't think 32-bit apps are going to disappear any time soon. That would be killing tons of software (some abandoned by now) for no real reason what-so-ever.
 
i guess your distributor sucks or something, we get top of the line elitebook 8440p with 8gb ram and 160gb intel SSD's for $1200 each, we also have onsite 4 hour tech support.

Link? What volume?

My link is straight from HPs website.
 
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This is ok with me. Try running Mac OS 10.4 on an iMac G3 with 400 MHz and 256 MB of RAM... Not going to work well. Older computers can't always run the newest software. People would be complaining if their original MacBook didn't run fast enough with Lion anyways.
 
And why pray-tell is there a need for that?

64-bit is more secure. 64-bit DEP is hardware based while 32-bit DEP is software emulated. Software emulated DEP is more easily defeated. 32-bit ASLR can be bruteforced. This applies to all x86 OSes.
 
I haven't seen an "finally iTunes 64bit!!" comment yet.

I'd be content with a "finally, iTunes not a slow POS that violates all of Apple's *own* design philosophies as well as the compartmentalized program philosophy of OSX's *nix underpinnings". I understand *why* iTunes is the way it is (to provide 1 bundle for iPhone/iPod support under windows as well), but I still hate that slow, laggy, buggy application with a passion!

Well, that sucks - guess I'll skip Lion then. Or maybe keep 10.6 and get an additional SSD for my Mac Pro to put it on - that sounds like a good Idea actually...

Virtualize it, it's only one file that VMWare uses to distinguish OSX Server from Client anyway...
 
Recovery Drive

Would also like to know on this point hope apple makes it so you can make a Recovery disk up for drive failures. Or maybe apple will start to make all HDDs non user replaceable.

I will like to move the Recovery drive to an Usb key (aka like the MacBook Air Usb Recovery drive) and update Recovery drive via some app, only if some update comes out
 
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Where I work when they buy a new computer they downgrade to WindowsXP. They have over 30,000 employees. All of our laptops have that Windows 7 sticker but they all run XP. They spend so much money on downgrading!

Because, with that many people, it's cheaper to flash an image on your machine, which your IT dept will maintain regardless, and have a uniform arch across the company along with uniform management, than it is to do either do a complete overhaul (my bet, still lots of old hardware around to be cycled that won't well with 7) or fragment their management and platform. It makes a great deal of sense
 
OpenCL: don't hold your breath

Hopefully Lion offers a lot of OpenCL optimization as well.
The MacBooksPro have switched to AMD graphics cards. AMD don't have their drivers up to snuff yet, eg. OpenGL textures not supported. You can only do OpenCL in Quartz Composer on NVidia cards and I'd think that goes for OpenCL in general. AMD was actually listed for a developer to re-write the drives for OSX on the OpenGL Apple developers list. Twice, the second time only a month or so ago.
 
New features

FaceTime is available even with the program not currently up (or launched).

Scrolling is inverted as far as the direction you swipe, more like the iOS swipes (two finger scrolls on the Apple trackpads, and one with the Magic Mouse)

Progress Bars and overall UI corners more squarish-bevel than round.

Tabs in certain System Preference panes are now sliders instead of toggles tabs.

Security in System Preferences now is Security and Privacy and has privacy tab.

Now you can setup "Internet Accounts" under Internet and Wireless in System Preferences... similar to the iOS Email Accounts in Setup.

Network devices get a Hardware tab under Advanced Settings that control MTU and other info.

User Accounts is now Users and Groups due to the Mac OS X Lion Server is now included.

Default Finder opens to a new 'All My Files' new category in Favorites

Default Finder sidebar has 3 groups now, sorted: Favorites, Shared and Devices

Address Book, iCal, & Mail all got makeovers... I think Address Book the only bad one in my opinion.

Now there is an option to show or hide indicator lights underneath open Applications under the Dock settings in System Preferences... something I have been wondering since initial announcement.

Boot Camp assistant now gives you the option if you want to
-Download the Windows Support for this Mac, or
-I have the Mac OS X Install disk that came with this Mac or I have already downloaded the Windows support software for this Mac to a CD, DVD, or external disk

The RAID tab appears available even under the startup disk without any other drives available in Disk Utility.
 
Unfortunately Lion (at least for now) supports trim ONLY on Apple SSDs. My Intel X25-M G2 isn't supported in Lion, even though the drive itself supports TRIM. I've heard the same from people with Vertex 2 drives. Might change by release time, might not. Great way to get people to buy your SSDs....

I have run an original Vertex in my 2008 MacBook for two years and afaict it runs exactly as fast as the day I installed it.

Its one of those things people worry about too much, like write cycle lifetime, that become less and less relevant with every modern controller rev.
 
Seems like I should be good for a few more years with my 2.16GHz C2D MBP then. After all, Apple sold 2.0GHz Mac Minis until late 2009. Should be awhile until they invoke a 2.2 or 2.4GHz cutoff. Though the 3GB RAM limitation could eventually pose a problem I suppose.

I'm holding onto this machine until it dies :), I hate the unibodies :eek:
 
Yes - but only for SSDs from Apple. Insert an Intex X25 SSD, and you will see that suddenly there is no TRIM support after all. Oh well, I'm sure there'll be a way to circumvent it...

Yeah, it's called being a little patient and waiting for subsequent releases. This is a developer release. It's not meant to have all features fully functioning.
 
Yes, seriously. Recovery partitions have been available on Windows since the XP days. Nice to see Apple realizing the value of having a protected partition for repair/recovery purposes.

It makes Apple look kind of stupid for the "Redmond, start your photocopiers" banners, doesn't it.

Actually, Apple toyed with hidden recovery partitions capable of fully restoring the machine at least as far back as the early 1990s. I believe it was the Mac Classic and/or the Color Classic that had it, and I seem to recall that the Macintosh TV or Twentieth Anniversary Mac had it, too. My memory is starting to fade, however, as to the details (obviously).

And for those that didn't know, yes, Apple did make a TV, although it was more a computer that had TV functions than a TV that had computer functions. So, Apple has already been there, done that, too :).
 
If itunes is still 32bit, there is NOT SINGLE ONE reason for them to let the early Intel support go other than greed. Point blanc.

It's not applications they're worried about - 32 bit apps will still run fine. It's kernel extensions and drivers that have to go 64 bit.

My Core Duo Macbook will be left out, but I'm not worried. I got a lot of use out of it and it will still be useful for a few more years (even if only as an internet browsing and office machine). It's really time to upgrade though - coming up on five years old and the battery is going, and the Intel graphics and screen size are getting too limiting for what I want to do. So up to a Hi-res 15 inch Pro, I think.
 
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