Hmm, this reminds me of OS 9, where you had to install first OS 9.0, and then the 9.1 update, and then the 9.2 update to get the latest version. A pain in the patut. They abandoned OS 9 after that, too.....
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Mac OS X Lion Set for July Debut Priced at $29.99, Mac App Store Exclusive
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Lets Face it the best thing about this is the price, its pretty much a no brainer. Versions, finally puts it on the same level as DEC mini computers i fist used 25 years ago, in computer years thats the beginning of time, why this simple concept failed to make it into DOS and Unix amazes me. for the rest not so sure, there seems to be an over complication of the interface, but i will have to try it.
To come back to the price, it does two things it shows up MS the upgrade to 7 from vista is not trivial and many users just don't bother. and it shows Apple are OK to take a hit on it as to be able to sell services and software to you later, think printers and ink.
To come back to the price, it does two things it shows up MS the upgrade to 7 from vista is not trivial and many users just don't bother. and it shows Apple are OK to take a hit on it as to be able to sell services and software to you later, think printers and ink.
I think you need to go back and read that Barefeats article again. Also, none of those games are ports. That's why they fare so well.
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I expect to Lion to best Windows 8 just as the current OS X is better than Windows 7. And that is before the malware discussion is even brought up.
So you're saying gaming in OS X is faster than Windows?
Let's see how Crysis runs on both platforms on the same hardware! Oh wait..
Dirt 3? Hmm..
Battlefield Bad Company 2? Oh...
Grand Theft Auto 4? Nope
Modern Warfare 2? Oh no..
Black Ops? No again
The Witcher 2? Oh, another one..
Fable 3? Oh, forgot..
Duke Nukem Forever!?
Besides, Valve games, decade old ports, and ports released several years after the original (like Modern Warfare) what games ARE on Mac OS X?
oooh shut down time and boot time, that REALLY shows how fast your system is and isn't at all related to what drivers and other things load at start up.
Whats "multimedia multitasking"? iTunes encoding? Really? They lose all credibility with that. It's a well documented fact that iTunes in Windows is TERRIBLE. If they want to do encoding tests they should pit 32-bit Handbrake in OS X against the Windows version. Or an audio encoder that can encode multiple songs at once, like XLD in OS X using LAME and highest quality settings versus dbpoweramp in Windows and the same settings.ok this is stupid, if i want to upgrade to Lion i will have to go out and buy snow leopard at £30 to get the app store then spend an extra £20.99 to upgrade to Lion. why don't they just release it on disk. they will be stupid not to!
i know people who have mac's but don't have it hooked up to the internet. how are they supposed to upgrade? they use them for video editing and music editing!
i know people who have mac's but don't have it hooked up to the internet. how are they supposed to upgrade? they use them for video editing and music editing!
Depending on where they live, there are plenty of places where they would be able to go to access free wi-fi if they really wanted to purchase and download Lion.
So you're saying gaming in OS X is faster than Windows?
Let's see how Crysis runs on both platforms on the same hardware! Oh wait..
Dirt 3? Hmm..
Battlefield Bad Company 2? Oh...
Grand Theft Auto 4? Nope
Modern Warfare 2? Oh no..
Black Ops? No again
The Witcher 2? Oh, another one..
Fable 3? Oh, forgot..
Duke Nukem Forever!?
Besides, Valve games, decade old ports, and ports released several years after the original (like Modern Warfare) what games ARE on Mac OS X?
oooh shut down time and boot time, that REALLY shows how fast your system is and isn't at all related to what drivers and other things load at start up.
Don't be so sensitive. If you like Windows then use it. But the emotional response makes you lose all credibility.
I forgot to mention battery life is better with OS X.
New AppleScript
Am I the only person to notice a new AppleScript on Apple's Lion features page?
http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#applescript
It appears to be called
"Unified Receive iChat Text Invitation.scptd"
and I haven't seen it anywhere else before.
Seems like it could be competing with Growl notifications.
Peter
Am I the only person to notice a new AppleScript on Apple's Lion features page?
http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#applescript
It appears to be called
"Unified Receive iChat Text Invitation.scptd"
and I haven't seen it anywhere else before.
Seems like it could be competing with Growl notifications.
Peter
Too long to download in the UK
Only making Lion available by download is a typical West Coast urban-centric, head in the sand viewpoint, ignoring the millions of Mac users who don't have optical cable internet access. This is a major error and I think will have to be revised to give the option to buy a DVD from your local Apple store. Pretty much the same goes for iCloud.
Due to British Telecom's greed over the last few years resulting in their consistent refusal to spend any money to upgrade our 1940's era telecom infrastructure (the main "pipe" from the exchange to the T3 green box in our village is dated 1947), outside big towns in the UK, internet speeds are pathetic. I get 1.3 mbps and my daughter who lives a few hundred meters away only gets 0.6 mbps. In addition, CRC RX errors are high and dropouts frequent. My daughter cannot stream a 240i you tube video. Apple would probably have released OS 10.8 before I have managed to download Lion.
In addition, unless we can burn to DVD, USB pen drive or SD card, how do we do disc repairs, to run Disk Utility offline. I currently have Snow Leopard installed on a 16GB SD card, which I use as an alternative start up in order to do this. Do Apple intend most folks to go back to their Snow Leopard DVD to do HD repairs.
Overall not too impressed.
Only making Lion available by download is a typical West Coast urban-centric, head in the sand viewpoint, ignoring the millions of Mac users who don't have optical cable internet access. This is a major error and I think will have to be revised to give the option to buy a DVD from your local Apple store. Pretty much the same goes for iCloud.
Due to British Telecom's greed over the last few years resulting in their consistent refusal to spend any money to upgrade our 1940's era telecom infrastructure (the main "pipe" from the exchange to the T3 green box in our village is dated 1947), outside big towns in the UK, internet speeds are pathetic. I get 1.3 mbps and my daughter who lives a few hundred meters away only gets 0.6 mbps. In addition, CRC RX errors are high and dropouts frequent. My daughter cannot stream a 240i you tube video. Apple would probably have released OS 10.8 before I have managed to download Lion.
In addition, unless we can burn to DVD, USB pen drive or SD card, how do we do disc repairs, to run Disk Utility offline. I currently have Snow Leopard installed on a 16GB SD card, which I use as an alternative start up in order to do this. Do Apple intend most folks to go back to their Snow Leopard DVD to do HD repairs.
Overall not too impressed.
They only said that you will download Lion, nobody said anything about burning it to usb or a dvd yet. I would think that Apple would know about running certain things offline, and I would think there would be an option to burn it or copy it to usb.
For me, the only present option of downloading Lion is a deal breaker. I don't have the greatest internet connection and when the file is 4GB, I'll be d/ling all night long and most likely well into the day after. I don't know what Steve Jobs is thinking, but not everyone has a T1 connection or something of similar speed. To tell us that the only option is downloading Lion is ignorant. I want a DVD option. I was reading some comments earlier and someone said that they didn't want to use the Mac App store and got heavily criticized for it. Well, that person is not alone. I don't want to use it either. In fact, right now, I can't! I trashed it soon after I made that update.
I will say it again, I want a DVD option (prior to download). For those that can't understand what I said, I want the option to BUY a Lion DVD.
I will say it again, I want a DVD option (prior to download). For those that can't understand what I said, I want the option to BUY a Lion DVD.
That's idealistic IMO. You need to recognise that not everyone has access to free wifi, or fast/cheap internet. In Australia for example, downloading 4GBs is possible in most capital cities although this would leave many living in regional areas struggling. I guess we should probably wait and see the sales figures reflecting the download-only option. And now add in India, or other developing countries. Of course, new Macs will come with Lion but there's a bunch of computers out there in these areas also wanting to be upgraded.
Just another thought. The advertising on Apple's website says that you don't need to drive to a store to get a DVD. That's kinda counter-intuitive considering you can get Snow Leopard on a disc from the Apple online store with free shipping.
Given that Apple tend to focus on making things easier, I think the likelihood is taht you will get the option to create a USB or DVD bootable version of the Lion installer.
Would iCloud push the Lion installer over your personal network to your other Macs, or would that not be available until Lion is installed?
I can forsee future Mac launches coming without optical drives, the main need for them remaining thus far, from an Apple point of view, is that the OS was on a DVD, now that this will no longer be the case and all of their programmes are going to be on the app store and they are removing all Apple software from media there doesn't seem to be a reason for Apple to keep them. If they remove the drives it may force optical based software to move to the app store, or more likely, the customer to buy external optical drives.
Would iCloud push the Lion installer over your personal network to your other Macs, or would that not be available until Lion is installed?
I can forsee future Mac launches coming without optical drives, the main need for them remaining thus far, from an Apple point of view, is that the OS was on a DVD, now that this will no longer be the case and all of their programmes are going to be on the app store and they are removing all Apple software from media there doesn't seem to be a reason for Apple to keep them. If they remove the drives it may force optical based software to move to the app store, or more likely, the customer to buy external optical drives.
The $30 price point is great and the 5 machine limit is certainly (more than) fair, but the potentially (DRM) enforced limit via iTunes account may be problematic. I use my credit card all the time, but I'm tired of having to give out my credit card number for absolutely everything. Now I need one just so my OS can run? And if my mom has her own iTunes account, but I want to let her use one of my "5 family copies" of Lion, she'll either have to choose between that or her iTunes account?
I certainly don't have an issue downloading. It's a lot less wasteful than optical discs, to be sure. But physical media should be available for those with slow Internet (my mom) It doesn't have to be a DVD. It could just come on a flash drive (like the MacBook Air recovery drive- Apple's done this before!), and it'd work on every Mac.
Which gets to me next point: Why does Apple refrain from doing things "the PC way" only to vehemently embrace it years (and in some cases, decades) later? A recovery partition? Why? It's just a waste of space. A Mac doesn't need "recovery" every day, and a simple flash drive can cure all such ails. Why would we want to occupy our drives with this unnecessary data? This becomes particularly questionable with the MacBook Airs (and surely other near-future Macs) with such little storage space.
That said, I'll reserve judgement till Apple clarifies all this. I looked at Apple's site and I didn't see anything which explicitly stated Lion would be Mac App Store only. In fact, Apple's wording "To upgrade on day one:", suggests otherwise.
I certainly don't have an issue downloading. It's a lot less wasteful than optical discs, to be sure. But physical media should be available for those with slow Internet (my mom) It doesn't have to be a DVD. It could just come on a flash drive (like the MacBook Air recovery drive- Apple's done this before!), and it'd work on every Mac.
Which gets to me next point: Why does Apple refrain from doing things "the PC way" only to vehemently embrace it years (and in some cases, decades) later? A recovery partition? Why? It's just a waste of space. A Mac doesn't need "recovery" every day, and a simple flash drive can cure all such ails. Why would we want to occupy our drives with this unnecessary data? This becomes particularly questionable with the MacBook Airs (and surely other near-future Macs) with such little storage space.
That said, I'll reserve judgement till Apple clarifies all this. I looked at Apple's site and I didn't see anything which explicitly stated Lion would be Mac App Store only. In fact, Apple's wording "To upgrade on day one:", suggests otherwise.
Sure, people with Mac Pro's happily carry them around town with them.
The ignorance or is it stupidity of some people is so funny.
I am in the same position as you. I am lucky to get 1.4Mbps, and the chance of the lines around here ever being upgraded are very slim. Though it isn't really down entirely to BT's greed (at least not at one time).
Before competition was opened up and Rupert Murdoch started Sky, BT wanted to upgrade all our lines to fibre optics. But they had to cover the huge cost somehow, and they wanted to do that by being able to broadcast television through it. The Government at the time wouldn't allow it, so now we are stuck with useless old copper lines unless lucky enough to live in a city.
BT were supposedly going to look at upgrading rural area lines as a priority, but it looks like they have thrown that idea into the dustbin.
Damn, of course I will buy Lion at this price point, but I expected to get a DVD.
I´m fine if we can move the .dmg to a bootable USB Stick or DVD Disc, although it feels stupid not to have a physical copy from the start.
I don´t think it will be enforced, at least i hope so. Apple won´t bother to include DRM with this aggressive price, they want Lion on as much machines as possible. Let´s face it: People always used their disc for multiple installs, now with Lion that will be made legal.
I´m fine if we can move the .dmg to a bootable USB Stick or DVD Disc, although it feels stupid not to have a physical copy from the start.
I don´t think it will be enforced, at least i hope so. Apple won´t bother to include DRM with this aggressive price, they want Lion on as much machines as possible. Let´s face it: People always used their disc for multiple installs, now with Lion that will be made legal.
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Kind of backwards don't you think?
They should be covering all bases with a major OS release, not just those with a fast connection and large download cap.
The thing that is really worrying me at this point though, is that if one of my Mac's hard drives die, I might have to book a Genius Bar appointment and pay Apple to do something I can do myself. Or of course, install it through SL which is a waste of time. Not cool.
Yeah because a real OS traditionally came on DVD and was much larger than 4 GB... oh wait... it wasn't....