Mac OS X Lion Set for July Debut Priced at $29.99, Mac App Store Exclusive

[KnightWRX]

So what is it that you two hate more? A company that sells their own software through their own store to keep more of their own profits for themselves and their stockholders or is it just Apple that you hate?

Where did you see hate my in post ? Is it hateful to objectively describe why Apple is going the MAS route now ?

My local grocery store also uses loss leaders to get people to come to it and then sell them other products that will generate more profit for them. Is something wrong with that particular, very widespread practice ?

I guess it's pretty evident to why either of you continue to hang out here.

I hang out here because I use and enjoy some Apple products. What are you trying to infer here exactly ?

The only hate displayed here is your own towards those people who state things you do not like.

 

[LastLine]

You forgot to add the VAT in the UK. It's either 17.5% or 20%. Either way, with VAT added, it's more than 21 UK pounds.

I fear you misunderstand me. If I, as a dev, place an app for sale at $29.99 in the us app store it automatically scales to £17.99 in the uk. It's normally all tier based. Far be it from a complaint i'm very happy with the price.

 

[435713]

Bottom line, Snow Leopard is the last Mac OS for me. After that becomes outdated, Apple will probably have moved away from desktop Macs anyway.

I am going back and forth on that as well. Lion is okay, but they could have done a lot better. I am pretty sure desktops will be out soon enough. Mac Pro quoted with "We weren't selling any of the things!"

Imac might stay around but get stripped down. Apple is an odd company and scary once they get an "idea" or say "we learned" you hear that then it's like, UH OH! They thought of something. End of PC era is another one. Thats saying they don't want to make computers anymore then.

If/when they suffer a large fall I would not be surprised. Sooner or later the goose stops laying golden eggs. Their model of minimalism with little choice is not good for long term.

 

[polaris20]

I hang out here because I use and enjoy some Apple products. What are you trying to infer here exactly ?

The only hate displayed here is your own towards those people who state things you do not like.

FWIW, you're not exactly someone I would question as to why you visit MR. There are others I would indeed question, however.

 

[glossywhite]

Chill it, weebles

 

[the8thark]

No, you don't have to. You can continue with 10.5. I think people who didn't upgrade from 10.5 to 10.6, and therefore for example never were able to use the App Store, are not the target group for Lion.

They are not. If they upgrade from 10.5 to 10.6, why would they upgrade from 10.7? And why should Apple sell an upgrade from 10.5 to 10.7 for $29.99?

You forget something. What about the people who still use 10.5 (when in the future you can no longer purchase 10.6 from Apple)? How do they upgrade then? Do they have to ebay for overpriced old copies of 10.6, just to get 10.7?

 

[the8thark]

Tell me what's wrong with the following statement:
Windows 7 now available! Vista required for upgrade/purchase.

Or this statement:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm - Requires "The Burning Crusade" to install and use.
Same thing really.

 

[WSR]

Spaces is still in Lion, as the WWDC presentation spent several minutes demonstrating it, and it looks very nice. As for Resume, AutoSave isn't going to save over your file you want to keep, it saves multiple versions, called Versions. Think of it as as an auto saving Time Machine for your documents. Both versions will be there. (or more than 2 versions if you're changing it over and over).

I do not know about Expose yet in Lion.

I know that a form of spaces is still in Lion, I just said it is not as good as it is in Snow Leopard. The grid as it is in Snow Leopard makes it more efficient to move between programs since the grid doesn't change. Lion's version of spaces mashes desktops, fullscreen programs, and the launchpad into a constantly changing mess of screens. Also Lion's version doesn't look like it show more then 6 screens at a time.
I also know about versions, but if it's implemented as you said, you could close down the program thinking it is saved to the main file. Then use the main file in another program, like attaching the file to an email, thinking it's the most up to date version, but you actually accessed an older version not the version you meant to. While the up to date version is saved where ever Resume stores the last state of the program.

 

[munkery]

What Lion is ....

Apple makes profit from hardware sales. With the pricing introduced with SL, Apple did not make much profit from independent OS X sales. Removing middle men and distribution costs from Lion does allow Apple to increase profits from OS sales but these profits only represent a small percentage of the companies income.

By displacing profit from middle men to itself, it seems like Apple does understand the basics of business.

Apple is not like Microsoft in terms of profiting from OS sales. Apple is a hardware company in terms of generating profit. Interestingly, MS's biggest profit maker is the XBOX; a product in which MS controls the hardware and software implementations of the product much like Apple does with Macs.

BTW, most Mac users are already running SL. Most Windows users are running XP. How much would it cost to upgrade to Windows 7 from XP?

 

[Cougarcat]

Lion's version of spaces mashes desktops, fullscreen programs, and the launchpad into a constantly changing mess of screens. Also Lion's version doesn't look like it show more then 6 screens at a time.

It can show 16 at a time, same as SL. You can click "Automatically rearrange spaces based on most recent use" to prevent the spaces from constantly changing position.

The launchpad is not a screen of Spaces. The Dashboard can be, but you can disable it.

I also know about versions, but if it's implemented as you said, you could close down the program thinking it is saved to the main file. Then use the main file in another program, like attaching the file to an email, thinking it's the most up to date version, but you actually accessed an older version not the version you meant to. While the up to date version is saved where ever Resume stores the last state of the program.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. There is only one version of the file accessible in the Finder at a time, the latest version. When you quit an app, it is saved automatically. You only access an older version if you explicitly mean to, by accessing the time machine-like interface.

 

[WSR]

It can show 16 at a time, same as SL. You can click "Automatically rearrange spaces based on most recent use" to prevent the spaces from constantly changing position.

The launchpad is not a screen of Spaces. The Dashboard can be, but you can disable it.



Not sure what you are trying to say here. There is only one version of the file accessible in the Finder at a time, the latest version. When you quit an app, it is saved automatically. You only access an older version if you explicitly mean to, by accessing the time machine-like interface.

"Automatically rearrange spaces based on most recent use" is still changing the position especially if I am changing between many spaces.

What I am saying ultimately is I don't what the computer saving over the current version without me telling it to. Instead when closing a program I what it to ask "if I what it to save". Both "When you quit an app, it is saved automatically" and it not saving automatically can lead to potential problems since it is not letting me know that changes have been made since last save. Either it could overwrite the version I what without me knowing it or not update the file when I meant to. Yes I know the previous save is in Versions, but if some "playing around" edits that I didn't what to keep where saved accidentally, Finder is going to get the save with the unintentional edits.

 

[HowEver]

Hey, no need to question others!

FWIW, you're not exactly someone I would question as to why you visit MR. There are others I would indeed question, however.

 

[jareddigby]

Here are the steps:

Purchase and download Lion from the Mac App Store on any Lion compatible Mac running Snow Leopard.
Right click on “Mac OS X Lion” installer and choose the option to “Show Package Contents.”
Inside the Contents folder that appears you will find a SharedSupport folder and inside the SharedSupport folder you will find the “InstallESD.dmg.” This is the Lion boot disc image we have all been waiting for.
Copy “InstallESD.dmg” to another folder like the Desktop.
Launch Disk Utility and click the burn button.
Select the copied “InstallESD.dmg” as the image to burn, insert a standard sized 4.7 GB DVD, and wait for your new Lion Boot Disc to come out toasty hot.

 

[MacFanJeff]

This is a HUGE problem for many as others have pointed out. Even if you can burn it to a DVD once downloaded for use later on when doing a fresh install of your entire system, what about those either with no broadband or problems in some areas? Stating this is the "new" way of doing things will not solve the problem for many users. It is a simple fact that a LOT of people do not or will not have any form of broadband service and MUST have a reliable hard copy of their products they buy. I do not think that physical media can ever be done away for this very reason. If you just cut them off totally, it is going to matter.

 

[htpw16]

Uncertainty and speculation remains...will Lion be released early, mid or late July?

 

[SlamJam12]

Mail

I look forward to the newly redesigned Mail. I wonder if it will be convincing enough for me to switch from Gmail to this.
On the other hand, I am confused about just using the Mac App store for downloading and using OSX Lion without the physical CD. Hopefully Apple knows what they are doing with this release.

 

[davelanger]

They should just make it 29.99 for download through the app store or make it 39.99 if you want to buy a hard copy through apple.com store, I am sure most would be happy to pay the extra 10 bucks to have a real bootable disk.

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

They should just make it 29.99 for download through the app store or make it 39.99 if you want to buy a hard copy through apple.com store, I am sure most would be happy to pay the extra 10 bucks to have a real bootable disk.

why not burn it to your own disc for $0.25?

 

[AndrewLGP]

my question is... if after i purchase Lion, what if i want to wipe my mac and install from scratch?

do i have to install 10.6 from DVD first and then upgrade to 10.7 via appstore? if yes then that is insane.

This is under "internet restore and utilities" section of the extended list of changes in Lion on apple.com:

Built into Lion
OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs.

 

[Cougarcat]

"Automatically rearrange spaces based on most recent use" is still changing the position especially if I am changing between many spaces.

Sorry, I meant that you uncheck that. If it's not checked, then your spaces don't move around. The only thing that'll change is if you make anything fullscreen, they will appear on the right as a space. But that doesn't affect the order of your normal spaces.

Yes I know the previous save is in Versions, but if some "playing around" edits that I didn't what to keep where saved accidentally, Finder is going to get the save with the unintentional edits.

Then you go back to the save before the unwanted edits, using Versions. Just click Restore and the finder will get the one you want.

 

[stevenw56]

Lion is not a standalone OS. The way I see it it's nothing more than a Windows Service Pack. You will have to have Snow Leopard installed in order to install Lion.

This is plain out wrong. You only need Snow Leopard to download Lion, not to install it. Lion installs on empty partitions just as SL does.

Very bad trolling attempt.

Still think I'm a troll?

Update: To clarify, the original question and Jobs' answer seem to be focused on a situation in which a user is presented with a bare hard drive such as after an upgrade or a replacement after drive failure. OS X Lion does create a separate recovery partition to enable clean installs from a working system, but in the event of a full drive failure and no available backup, Apple's officially-sanctioned reinstallation policy appears to involve first installing Mac OS X Snow Leopard. For machines that ship with Lion installed and thus do not have Snow Leopard to fall back on, Apple will presumably provide some other recovery solution, perhaps in the form of a USB key as is included with the MacBook Air.

Update 2: The website Emails from Steve Jobs yesterday posted a similar email from Steve addressing the same topic:

Dear Mr. Jobs,

I just wanted to know if there will be a way to install Lion on a new HDD/SSD without previously installing 10.6?

Regards,

Andreas Dantz
Steve's straightforward reply:

Sorry, no.

Sent from my iPhone

 

[adder7712]

But, I don't have a credit card.

Apple, DVD version or else.

 

[revelated]

But, I don't have a credit card.

Apple, DVD version or else.

...

Buy an iTunes Gift Card at the Apple Store.

Steve

Sent from my iPad

 

[maclaptop]

Only $30 for Lion?

Wow!

Windows 7 goes for well over $100. Of course Microsoft has to deal with a lot of piracy. That is part of malware problem too. The pirated versions of Windows often come from sites that add malware to the software downloaded. The large amount of piracy by Windows users spreads a lot of malware.

Yes I can illustrate the word exaggeration (see above story).

 

[Smoother]

What Lion _ IS_ is a way for Apple to make huge sums of money.

By holding it captive, and only offering it through the app store. This method of distribution costs Apple almost zero, therefore they can make a handsome profit at $29.99.

Then take into consideration that one must have the latest version of Snow Leopard to gain access, they will make millions off those users who must upgrade to that level before they can spend their thirty bucks for LION.

Once again, Apple prevails, and Apple gets all the money.

Something I've not seen in this thread, is people recognizing that it cuts out the loyal re-sellers that have stood behind Apple for years. By making it well known that the only way to get it is online, the retail operations like MacMall and the like are completely screwed.

It's not even the fact that they cannot sell it, but rather the fact it will cut down on the foot traffic that comes into their stores.

But what's new? Apple is a greed based operation, that fan boys defend as though one doesn't know the basics of business. They make me laugh.. I love it.

Originally Vista Ultimate was priced at $399

Meaning that you can get nearly 14 for the price of 1 vista.

both Snow Leopard and Vista had just less than 2 year cycles before refresh.

Wikiepedia says about "Business"

Businesses are predominant in capitalist economies, in which most of them are privately owned and administered to earn profit to increase the wealth of their owners.

I'm not saying anything, just felt like posting some facts and letting you put 2 and 2 together.