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Mac OS X Lion Set for July Debut Priced at $29.99, Mac App Store Exclusive
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Are you seriously bitching about the price of the new Mac OS and then in the same mention Windows???
I'm not planning to update to Lion any time soon.
1. The downgrading of expose and spaces. I currently use 9 spaces to separate what I'm currently doing, and having them arranged in a grid helps me move quickly from 1 space to another. Also, when I use expose, I want to see the entire window not only parts of them while the rest are hidden behind other windows.
2. Resume is problematic. When I open a program I what to be taken to a neutral spot, not where I was before. Also when closing, I want the program to ask me about saving so that I know that the saved file is what I want it to be. How many times do we intentionally close a program without saving to not save any playing around. With resume either it's going to auto save over the file I want to keep or if I close the program forgetting to save when I meant to, the file might not have the updates that I want. If that's the case if I say attached it to an email, I'll attach the old file.
3. Even with 1.5Mb/s DSL updating an IMac and a Macbook Pro will take some time to download the updates. Also even in this electronic age, I always prefer to have physical copies just in case.
So at least until that provide an option switching to the current expose/spaces and an option of turning off resume, I don't plan on updating.
1. The downgrading of expose and spaces. I currently use 9 spaces to separate what I'm currently doing, and having them arranged in a grid helps me move quickly from 1 space to another. Also, when I use expose, I want to see the entire window not only parts of them while the rest are hidden behind other windows.
2. Resume is problematic. When I open a program I what to be taken to a neutral spot, not where I was before. Also when closing, I want the program to ask me about saving so that I know that the saved file is what I want it to be. How many times do we intentionally close a program without saving to not save any playing around. With resume either it's going to auto save over the file I want to keep or if I close the program forgetting to save when I meant to, the file might not have the updates that I want. If that's the case if I say attached it to an email, I'll attach the old file.
3. Even with 1.5Mb/s DSL updating an IMac and a Macbook Pro will take some time to download the updates. Also even in this electronic age, I always prefer to have physical copies just in case.
So at least until that provide an option switching to the current expose/spaces and an option of turning off resume, I don't plan on updating.
The first two sound like a combination of bugs in existing software and in the case of point 2 I'm sure there is a way to turn it off - well, hopefully there is
Regarding 'physical copy', there is nothing stopping you from right clicking on the Lion.app, navigating to find the DMG and then burning it to a DVD - there is already a tonne of websites talking about how you can do it already.
No, it's not. It's speculation whether or not Apple will introduce a sanctioned, user-friendly method.
Yes it is. Apple has not released any info on this. Everyone is pointing to how the developer previews function currently
My point is that it is speculating until the final version is out. But you are most likely right
This is possibly the most futile & idiotic thread I have seen here in a long, LONG time. You're all just speculating about how the OS installs; come on guys, it has only just been announced. Seriously, I doubt that more than 5% of you even have any concept of how a disk is partitioned, or how a disk image restores to a volume/partition.
The installer likely holds a .DMG. Here is my thinking for a clean install:
1/ Lion Installer creates small (4-10Gb [hidden?]) partition on boot drive.
2/ Lion Installer restores the Lion install image to the partition it created.
3/ Lion Installer sets the new partition as the startup disk, and reboots to continue the installation.
I've been installing OS X from a partition with the install DVD restored to it, since Tiger - why would it be beyond the realms of possibility that Apple may have just considered the logical and efficient option?
As for the notion that Apple would force you to download the 4Gb installer for every Mac? I doubt that they are as stupid as you think, or as stupid as some of the comments in here. Based on the information we know about the technicalities of the installer, which, right now, is...
ohhh, that's right! We don't!
Calm down, panicking masses - you're just speculating for the sake of it.
The installer likely holds a .DMG. Here is my thinking for a clean install:
1/ Lion Installer creates small (4-10Gb [hidden?]) partition on boot drive.
2/ Lion Installer restores the Lion install image to the partition it created.
3/ Lion Installer sets the new partition as the startup disk, and reboots to continue the installation.
I've been installing OS X from a partition with the install DVD restored to it, since Tiger - why would it be beyond the realms of possibility that Apple may have just considered the logical and efficient option?
As for the notion that Apple would force you to download the 4Gb installer for every Mac? I doubt that they are as stupid as you think, or as stupid as some of the comments in here. Based on the information we know about the technicalities of the installer, which, right now, is...
ohhh, that's right! We don't!
Calm down, panicking masses - you're just speculating for the sake of it.
Feature wise, Lion is unimpressive and not worth the bother to upgrade for me.
It is very iOS/Laptop centric, neither of which I use - since I use a desktop Mac.
I don't use or buy anything from the Mac App Store, so that's one big hunking useless feature.
Some clueless person in this thread was bitching about what the difference between a DVD-R and a commercially printed DVD was, the handwriting on the cover vs. some printed logo?
No, not really. The main difference is that a printed DVD is a physically etched disk that does not deteriorate, it is printed (not just the label). A CD-R may or may not last 2 years because it is not printed, a photochemical method is used to change the reflection of a layer on the disk, a layer that is neither perfectly stable nor perfectly reliable.
Bottom line, Snow Leopard is the last Mac OS for me. After that becomes outdated, Apple will probably have moved away from desktop Macs anyway.
It is very iOS/Laptop centric, neither of which I use - since I use a desktop Mac.
I don't use or buy anything from the Mac App Store, so that's one big hunking useless feature.
Some clueless person in this thread was bitching about what the difference between a DVD-R and a commercially printed DVD was, the handwriting on the cover vs. some printed logo?
No, not really. The main difference is that a printed DVD is a physically etched disk that does not deteriorate, it is printed (not just the label). A CD-R may or may not last 2 years because it is not printed, a photochemical method is used to change the reflection of a layer on the disk, a layer that is neither perfectly stable nor perfectly reliable.
Bottom line, Snow Leopard is the last Mac OS for me. After that becomes outdated, Apple will probably have moved away from desktop Macs anyway.
It was announced 8 months ago.
And this site is MacRumors. Speculating is the name of the game. If you don't like it, don't play.
Stupidity is not. It was just annonced and no one really knows how the installer works yet. All we know is that it is installed via the app store. That is NOT the installer for OS X Lion. It is the distribution channel. Please.
Agreed. Speculation is sillyness itself, especially when 3/4 of MR are technically clueless when it comes to the finer details of OS installations and partitioning, apart from "I slid the slider and re-partitioned"... LOL!
Except I haven't seen those technical clueless people in this thread.
And I think most weren't asking for a DVD because of a problem with a file-based installer (that could require some Disk Utility voodoo to write out to USB/different partition/DVD), but for the convenience it brings and the EULA issues over the MAS distribution method.
And again folks : Just announced 8 months ago. If you don't like Speculation, don't hang around on Rumor sites.
Except I haven't seen those technical clueless people in this thread.
And I think most weren't asking for a DVD because of a problem with a file-based installer (that could require some Disk Utility voodoo to write out to USB/different partition/DVD), but for the convenience it brings and the EULA issues over the MAS distribution method.
And again folks : Just announced 8 months ago. If you don't like Speculation, don't hang around on Rumor sites.
Okay, fine.
An OS X service pack (as you put it) being better and cheaper then a full new Windows release? Sounds crazy right? But it's true.A 2nd service pack for $29 again, nice.
What Lion _ IS_ is a way for Apple to make huge sums of money.
By holding it captive, and only offering it through the app store. This method of distribution costs Apple almost zero, therefore they can make a handsome profit at $29.99.
Then take into consideration that one must have the latest version of Snow Leopard to gain access, they will make millions off those users who must upgrade to that level before they can spend their thirty bucks for LION.
Once again, Apple prevails, and Apple gets all the money.
Something I've not seen in this thread, is people recognizing that it cuts out the loyal re-sellers that have stood behind Apple for years. By making it well known that the only way to get it is online, the retail operations like MacMall and the like are completely screwed.
It's not even the fact that they cannot sell it, but rather the fact it will cut down on the foot traffic that comes into their stores.
But what's new? Apple is a greed based operation, that fan boys defend as though one doesn't know the basics of business. They make me laugh.. I love it.
By holding it captive, and only offering it through the app store. This method of distribution costs Apple almost zero, therefore they can make a handsome profit at $29.99.
Then take into consideration that one must have the latest version of Snow Leopard to gain access, they will make millions off those users who must upgrade to that level before they can spend their thirty bucks for LION.
Once again, Apple prevails, and Apple gets all the money.
Something I've not seen in this thread, is people recognizing that it cuts out the loyal re-sellers that have stood behind Apple for years. By making it well known that the only way to get it is online, the retail operations like MacMall and the like are completely screwed.
It's not even the fact that they cannot sell it, but rather the fact it will cut down on the foot traffic that comes into their stores.
But what's new? Apple is a greed based operation, that fan boys defend as though one doesn't know the basics of business. They make me laugh.. I love it.
I'm sure apple made more money by selling OSX at $129 through resellers than they will by selling it for $29 on the mac app store. Something tells me that distribution wasn't costing $100 per disc.
Agreed, and the argument before that retail stores will lose money because Lion is only in the Mac App Store, that's also true of all the other Apps that are in the Mac App Store.
But what is most convenient for the customer? Driving to a store or clicking once on a computer? It also helps to save the environment with less plastic and paper packaging and discs.
Everything about the Internet is a tradeoff. For as time saving and productive as it is, it hurts other retail businesses. That's life. It's the cost of improvement. Always has been. Telephones put the telegraph industry out of business, etc., etc.
Spaces is still in Lion, as the WWDC presentation spent several minutes demonstrating it, and it looks very nice. As for Resume, AutoSave isn't going to save over your file you want to keep, it saves multiple versions, called Versions. Think of it as as an auto saving Time Machine for your documents. Both versions will be there. (or more than 2 versions if you're changing it over and over).
I do not know about Expose yet in Lion.
Except now Apple is poised to grab attention for the MAS. Lion is going to serve as a loss leader to bring in people the MAS kicking and screaming and thus make it relevant.
The MAS doesn't seem to have made a big splash since its introduction. By forcing users to it, Apple is hoping they will stick around and buy other applications.
That's how they stand to make more money than going the traditional route. You don't make money by driving your customers to 3rd party resellers.
So what is it that you two hate more? A company that sells their own software through their own store to keep more of their own profits for themselves and their stockholders or is it just Apple that you hate?
I guess it's pretty evident to why either of you continue to hang out here.