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Mac OS X Lion Set for July Debut Priced at $29.99, Mac App Store Exclusive

Good job it's only $30

These top 10 new features are rather a meh for me personally.

Gestures, Full Screen and Mission Control = Better Touch Tool.
App Store - none of the applications I've wanted to buy are available there ie Microsoft Office, Nik Aperture Plugins, VM Ware Fusion, Hugin and it's not a 'new' feature anyway.
Launchpad - whatever, I use so few applications they easily fit on the dock.
Resume - I don't turn my Mac off that often to notice this.
Autosave and Versions - hmm OK history for documents but as I mainly use my computer for photography I can't see me using it much.
Airdrop - would be useful on the rare occasion I'd want to share something with my wife; if she had a Mac!
Mail - don't use it, hate conversations view anyway.

Hardly enough so far to warrant being called a new operating system more of an update really. 4 gigs is a pain in the arse to download too. I hope there are a few (probably niche) things in the rest of the 240 that are worthwhile. Just my tuppence.
 
Zaqfalcon said:
These top 10 new features are rather a meh for me personally.
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I'll co-sign on that.

Something that should have been one of the 10 top features they spoke about at the keynote instead of bleedin photobooth or disappearing scroll bars, is Cut & Paste of files. Not because it's revolutionary in any way, but just because it's taken so freakin long for them to jump on board with a feature that should have been there long ago.

In saying that, I've gotten used to no cut and paste after switching to mac a few years ago, but would still be interested to know what all the Apple fanboys have to say who flamed me and other switchers when we asked why there was no cut & paste in OSX and were giving endless theories on why it was a stupid feature that would ever be implemented in crap operating systems like Windows we would never see in OSX.


Download Only doesn't bother me too much as I'm not one of the poor people on slow or limited bandwidth. Also, even if it did, there's not much point going on and on about it until release day when you find out what the whole story is. If there are as many problems as everyone seems to think there will be, I'd hope Apple would fix them soon enough.

Resume, I really don't like. more than 80% I don't wanna see the last doc I was working on when I re-launch an app. Would have preferred as an extra option (e.g. cmd + SHIFT + Q) instead of every time I quit an app.

Mission control just seems like a pain in the ass with added junk which will get in the way of quick switching of spaces for users of hot corners and spaces like myself, but it's something I'll have to get used to when the time comes.

Launchpad might be good for the beginner user, but for people who use Quicksilver like myself it just seems like a waste of time. I never even look in my Apps folder anyway, everything is just launched within a couple of clicks on my keyboard. Having my app icons spread out of 3 freakin desktops or folders is no way gonna be faster than a Quicksilver like feature and is definitely gonna be more convenient in any way.

Keynote made me cringe too, listening to all the fans cheer when they announced stuff basic things like new photobooth effects and auto-save?! (yes, it's a step up from your usual auto-save feature but hell, they shouldn't have waited 10 years to release their first attempt at it).

I won't be in too much of a hurry to upgrade, but in saying that some of the other new features they didn't announce in the keynote do seem quite nice.
 
sclawis300 said:
Like Baseball and steroids in the US?

True, they are not forcing anyone to buy Lion, but they are apparently forcing them to buy SL.
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for $58 total

$29 x 2 = $58

stop your complaining

why should they allow people to jump from 10.5 to 10.7 without buying 10.6?

all Apple is doing is setting a precedent that if you want the next OS X version, you have to have the most up to date version installed

it's their company, they set the rules
 
AidenShaw said:
And the customer is free to walk if she doesn't like the rules.
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Luckily, there is Linux for those that don't want to pay $30 for each new revision of OS X or use Windows.

Are users that have intel Macs and didn't upgrade to SL really that interested in upgrading to Lion?

If those users weren't attracted to the added features in SL, what compels them toward Lion?

Some users never upgrade beyond the OS that comes on the machine. There are still more Windows users not using Windows 7 than Windows 7 users.

Some of this is due to hardware requirements and this also applies to OS X. Most intel Mac users run SL.
 
I've got a question. I don't know if anyone can answer it or not though. Let say I purchase a new iMac, MacBook, MacBook Pro, a new Mac that comes with the optical drive after the release of 10.7. Will I still receive a software restore disc with my new computer?
 
LarryC said:
I've got a question. I don't know if anyone can answer it or not though. Let say I purchase a new iMac, MacBook, MacBook Pro, a new Mac that comes with the optical drive after the release of 10.7. Will I still receive a software restore disc with my new computer?
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It appears to rely entirely on the restore partition now. Make an image of that via Disk Utility or clone it to an external drive. I wonder if iLife is included in the restore partition or your Apple/iTunes store account gets flagged that you "own" iLife already and can download it again via the Application Store.

Otherwise that's more hard drive space down the drain on the recovery partition.
 
Eidorian said:
It appears to rely entirely on the restore partition now. Make an image of that via Disk Utility or clone it to an external drive. I wonder if iLife is included in the restore partition or your Apple/iTunes store account gets flagged that you "own" iLife already and can download it again via the Application Store.

Otherwise that's more hard drive space down the drain on the recovery partition.
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Wow, that just sucks. It almost makes me want to make my purchase before Lion is released. Now I don't really know what to do? Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.

P.S. I went into a Best Buy store recently and they had a MacBook there that I was looking at. When I checked the amount of space that was used on its hard drive I was surprised to see that it already had something like 45 GB already used.
 
Lion seems to target the laptop users more than anything. Or at the very least the consumer who loves their magic trackpad.

As an Imac user, that prefers to use a mouse. I wonder if its even worth the upgrade.
 
LarryC said:
P.S. I went into a Best Buy store recently and they had a MacBook there that I was looking at. When I checked the amount of space that was used on its hard drive I was surprised to see that it already had something like 45 GB already used.
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iLife and the included iWeb/iDVD templates can easily hit 15-20 GB alone. Imagine that on a SSD.
 
Eidorian said:
iLife and the included iWeb/iDVD templates can easily hit 15-20 GB alone. Imagine that on a SSD.
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That is a huge hit, especially to a laptop like the 11" Air with a 64GB HD. Using that example, your brand new laptop would already be more than 65 percent full. Maybe this is why Apple is pushing this cloud idea. There won't really be anything on your HD except for maybe the OS. I still like the idea of a MacBook Pro with a 750GB HD.
 
munkery said:
Luckily, there is Linux for those that don't want to pay $30 for each new revision of OS X or use Windows.
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I wouldn't even consider Linux as a mainstream OS alternative. Goodness knows how many times I've had customers ask if (insert product name) had Linux drivers because the other version of (insert product type) that they tried didn't.
 
butterfly0fdoom said:
I wouldn't even consider Linux as a mainstream OS alternative. Goodness knows how many times I've had customers ask if (insert product name) had Linux drivers because the other version of (insert product type) that they tried didn't.
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That is the downside of Linux in comparison to OS X. Apple does the hardware compatibility testing for you.

Honestly, I have never had any driver issues with Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, such as Linux Mint. Everything always seems to work without having to chase down drivers.

Installing ubuntu-restricted-extras seems to be the only requirement for being a suitable alternative for most users.
 
Thanks Guys , nice read , all 28 pages so far . I'm a mac user from 2004 , it works great ,runs FCP ...my new mini mac doesn't , I found out after I brought it.
SL is the end for me , along with the loss of iMovie HD etc . I use the old imac for movie work ...it is happy working....but no upgrades anymore , or macs .
It is like Microsoft of the 1980s , nothing will be compatable, buy new every 9 months .
Now I'm on XP and !0.4 with SL sitting on the minimac, and Bloody Vista on a cheap laptop ....Enough already !
How much computing power do I need ?

I enjoy the vicious banter here , and the endless support of The Apple Company . Like the Chavs and Burberry ..... On y Vas .
 
Stop complaining!

This is way better than Snow Leopard, which came with 5 new features (excluding GCD/OpenCL). I think operating systems have evolved to a point where there is no improvement necessary. So all the features that are built into Lion are just included to make it 10.7 and not 10.6.9.

On the other hand, there are many little features (which Apple didn't speak of) in Lion that make it a killer OS for me. I like Yahoo! integration in iChat, new sexier About this Mac, year view in iCal, Reading List in Safari, the new improvements in Time Machine, Quick Look support in Spotlight searches and Stacks, visual tweaks in multiple file dragging, and many many more.

And it's just $29. And for people with slow internet, you can pause/resume the download. It may take two days to install the OS, but you don't have to worry about losing a DVD.

If you want a backup/clean install, you can install Lion from the Recovery HD partition. Once you install Lion, you can clone the Recovery HD to a thumb drive using Disk Utility, and that's your bootable/removable media.
 
LarryC said:
I've got a question. I don't know if anyone can answer it or not though. Let say I purchase a new iMac, MacBook, MacBook Pro, a new Mac that comes with the optical drive after the release of 10.7. Will I still receive a software restore disc with my new computer?
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Eidorian said:
iLife and the included iWeb/iDVD templates can easily hit 15-20 GB alone. Imagine that on a SSD.
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Actually, for the near future, new Macs will still come with a Restore DVD off of which it can be booted. This was confirmed on the MacWorld website; quote:
http://www.macworld.com/article/160434/2011/06/lion_faq.html

"So far, Apple hasn’t provided details for creating a bootable Lion-installer disc. However, when you bought your Mac it came with a bootable disc or (in the case of the MacBook Air, thumb drive) that can be used for troubleshooting and disk repair. That’s not going away. And Internet reports suggest that beta versions of the Lion installer actually contain a bootable disc image, so we wouldn’t be surprised if the final Lion installer gives you the option to burn yourself a boot disc or format a bootable thumb drive."

Also, there are instructions popping up all over the net on how to create a bootable disc/SD/thum drive with the Lion install, for eg:

http://eggfreckles.net/tech/burning-a-lion-boot-disc/
 
That's not confirmation, MacWorld is just guessing that restore disks won't go away.

Edit: Or they could just be saying you can still use that bootable disk you have now for troubleshooting when you get Lion. It's vague. But either way they have no idea what Apple's plans are concerning restore disks.
 
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Thank you

laurenr said:
Actually, for the near future, new Macs will still come with a Restore DVD off of which it can be booted. This was confirmed on the MacWorld website; quote:
http://www.macworld.com/article/160434/2011/06/lion_faq.html

"So far, Apple hasn’t provided details for creating a bootable Lion-installer disc. However, when you bought your Mac it came with a bootable disc or (in the case of the MacBook Air, thumb drive) that can be used for troubleshooting and disk repair. That’s not going away. And Internet reports suggest that beta versions of the Lion installer actually contain a bootable disc image, so we wouldn’t be surprised if the final Lion installer gives you the option to burn yourself a boot disc or format a bootable thumb drive."

Also, there are instructions popping up all over the net on how to create a bootable disc/SD/thum drive with the Lion install, for eg:

http://eggfreckles.net/tech/burning-a-lion-boot-disc/
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Many thanks for that link. First helpful post on this thread.
 
laurenr said:
Actually, for the near future, new Macs will still come with a Restore DVD off of which it can be booted. This was confirmed on the MacWorld website; quote:
http://www.macworld.com/article/160434/2011/06/lion_faq.html

"So far, Apple hasn’t provided details for creating a bootable Lion-installer disc. However, when you bought your Mac it came with a bootable disc or (in the case of the MacBook Air, thumb drive) that can be used for troubleshooting and disk repair. That’s not going away. And Internet reports suggest that beta versions of the Lion installer actually contain a bootable disc image, so we wouldn’t be surprised if the final Lion installer gives you the option to burn yourself a boot disc or format a bootable thumb drive."

Also, there are instructions popping up all over the net on how to create a bootable disc/SD/thum drive with the Lion install, for eg:

http://eggfreckles.net/tech/burning-a-lion-boot-disc/
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Thank you. That is good news.
 
laurenr said:
Actually, for the near future, new Macs will still come with a Restore DVD off of which it can be booted. This was confirmed on the MacWorld website; quote:
http://www.macworld.com/article/160434/2011/06/lion_faq.html

"So far, Apple hasn’t provided details for creating a bootable Lion-installer disc. However, when you bought your Mac it came with a bootable disc or (in the case of the MacBook Air, thumb drive) that can be used for troubleshooting and disk repair. That’s not going away. And Internet reports suggest that beta versions of the Lion installer actually contain a bootable disc image, so we wouldn’t be surprised if the final Lion installer gives you the option to burn yourself a boot disc or format a bootable thumb drive."

Also, there are instructions popping up all over the net on how to create a bootable disc/SD/thum drive with the Lion install, for eg:

http://eggfreckles.net/tech/burning-a-lion-boot-disc/
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You do know I posted eggfreckles burn a lion boot in this thread on 6/07/11.

Here is the link to the earlier post:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/12709519/


But seriously, it is good to let everyone know not to panic about the download only, because it really looks like the download will be able to be converted to a bootable DVD.
 
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