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Mac OS X Lion Set for July Debut Priced at $29.99, Mac App Store Exclusive

Sorry if I'm being slow or have missed something obvious, but how are people with multiple macs in their house going to avoid having to download 4GB multiple times? Isn't it going to be tied to your iTunes account? In which case how does that work for a family or small business with a bad internet connection?

I'm starting to get really irritated by Apple's assumption that everyone has super-fast internet connections. I'm already having to think how on earth I'm going to update my parent's machines on their flaky, slow connection. Drive to an Apple store with their machines? Really? Do you know how insane and backwards that suggestion is?!

I guess I'll have to clone their machines, bring those clones over to my house, boot from their disks, update, take the updated clones back, clone back...

Thanks for that Apple.

Price is good, some of the features look ok - full screen apps reminds me of my Amiga days, which is nice.
 
im wondering what effect this has on the hackintosh market? how are you going to crack and install the OS if there is no physical dvd and have to get it through the mac app store??
 
Fraaaa said:
Instead on going to the shop to buy Lion DVD, you can go to the Apple store and use the WiFi to download it.
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And what happens of you are 400 miles from an Apple Store? Personally I have a fast internet connection but Apple really have rose tinted specs on if they think that 58 million mac users have access to an Apple store, a fast internet connection or live close to an Apple Store. This kinda **** is way to early to roll out.

As for the whole event it was all a bit meh. No new hardware to sing about was hoping that the new localised Time Capsule idea was gonna be true. That way I can store all my content and access it. My library is over 100 Gigs. So what Ive gathered is that all my content will be uploaded to the cloud and then pushed to my iPhne. just one problem my phone is only 32 gig. I so dont get this approach.

As for Lion, well having seen Windows 8 previewed the other day it seems to outshine Lion in every aspect. Lion is a mere update and overall disappointing. Lets hope the store gets an update of new MBA's tomorrow and Mac Pros. At least this week wont be such an anti climax.:(
 
Some points...

When you download Lion from the app store you *SUPPOSEDLY* get a DMG file that you can install Lion from. You can copy this DMG file to as many Macs as you want and install from it without issue.

This is the story I've heard from developers. There's no guarantee they won't change this for the final release, but why would they?

Also, if installing Lion creates a recovery partition, there should be no reason you can't burn this partition to a DVD for future bare metal installations. Again, this is speculation, don't quote me on it. But based on what I heard I see no reason why this won't be possible.

Right now I'm more concerned about people who are on slow internet connections who can't download 4GB files easily. One friend of mine has a 5GB quota for the entire month. Boom, 4/5th of the quota gone after downloading Lion? Apple really should provide a solution for these folks. And "Free Wifi" isn't always fast. No one should have to sit in a McDonald's for five hours to download an OS.
 
Macnoviz said:
For the people worried about restoring their Macs without a disc, the full overview of new features has an answer:

Internet Restore and Utilities

Built into Lion
OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs.

Browse the web with Safari
Recovery mode now includes the Safari web browser, so you can check your email or browse the Apple Support site.

Reinstall OS X
OS X can be reinstalled on your Mac from recovery mode.

Restore from a Time Machine backup
Use recovery mode to restore your Mac from a Time Machine backup.
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I seem to remember a lot of folks deriding the recovery partion idea as wasted space on the disc...
haiggy said:
im wondering what effect this has on the hackintosh market? how are you going to crack and install the OS if there is no physical dvd and have to get it through the mac app store??
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someone downloads the app, cracks the checks and re-uploads the fixed app.
 
I'm not paying for an OS that isn't coming on physical media. I need the ability to do clean installs.
 
Love the free upgrade if you purchase from now until it's released, very cool :)
 
Like many users i'm assuming, I too have a very slow internet connection (1.4 MB) and so a 4GB download could take almost an entire day, if not more. However, I don't think its all gloom.

For a start, Apple are doing their bit for the environment and not simply giving everyone an install DVD, regardless if they wanted it not. The cost manufacturing and distributing them has also been taken out of account, and this has helped the pricepoint... £20.99 is literally insane, cheaper than Snow Leopard and has more features.

My only query is the option to make a 'disc image'. Since the purchase is linked to ones Apple account, it wouldn't make sense for Apple to allow people to exchange these disk images and thus contribute to piracy. However, Apple would also be stupid not to give people the option of putting this OS on a USB stick/DVD for back-ups.

The only reason I can see for them not including this option, aside from piracy, is that they know in the future they wish to phase out mechanical components such as the Hard Disc Drive, which is supposedly less reliable than Solid State Drives. Therefore, they presume that the lesser chance of a SSD failure warrants not needing some kind of back-up, and also paves the way for a separate SSD diode that contains the OS, as was rumored a few months ago.
 
I have a theory about Corporations/offices with multiple Macs. It just does not seem to make sense to go through the tedious process of a 4 Gig download for each individual computer. Perhaps Apple would provide some kind of system whereby only one download is made, eg to an office Server, and the upgrade to Lion is done from there?? Would this not be a logical process? What if an office has 40 Macs? That number multiplied by 4 Gigs just does not seem like an intelligent solution. The purchaser could then buy however many Licenses are necessary for all the Macs.

Opinions?
 
Mail...Will it Still Suck?

The big question for me is will Mail still suck? Or will they improve its functionality and get rid of its many annoying idiosyncracies? Will it be powerful? Or just look pretty? Will it compete with Eudora or Outlook?

I'm still using Eudora, which unfortunately is not supposed to work on Lion.
 
jackeill said:
Well... how do I upgrade from Leopard? Or even from Tiger? Kinda own goal... I'm stuck with 10.5 then. It has the best Expose anyway.
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I'm quite satisfied with 10.5, wondering is 10.7 would have some "whiz bang" I couldn't live without but frankly didn't see anything better than I already have so when I'll upgrade OS when I finally get a new mini:cool:
 
my concern here is that they have changed the gestures again!
what's wrong with the 4th finger? and how one is supposed to scroll horizontally?
source here

also, people should be more rational and less fanatic with all these apple news, the no-phisical-media obviously IS an issue for many, don't be so close-minded.
 
It would be nice if Apple could provide a utility to take Lion from the App Store and make a bootable USB drive from it. I fully intended to format my hard drive and do a clean install of Lion when it came out.
 
Hey Steve!

Can I come over to your place to download the 4 GB OS for all 4 of my devices? Or maybe I can just come to my apple store instead.

Imagine how the internet is going to be pounded on "day one".
 
I chatted with an Apple rep.
Hello, Lynn

Good Afternoon! How may I help you today?

I see that Mac OS X Lion will be available in July

We are expecting a July release date.

I understand that it is Mac App store right now but what is the chance of getting a DVD? with a 1.5Mb connection I cannot download it.

I would be happy to look into that for you today!

Can I burn it to a DVD at a friends house?

At this time we do not have any information on whether it will be available to burn to a disc, or available on a disc.

I wouldn't be able to speculate until Apple makes an official announcement. I would be happy to send you a link to sign up for more information on Lion as Apple announces through email.

OK I guess that works

Click here to sign up for email announcements.

I would like to say that Yes, eventually downloading is great option for people but when you have a "local" ISP who only gives you DSL that is a problem.

Let me know if that link works for you.

I understand. Keep an eye out for an announcement from Apple regarding the DVD.

You would receive an email once they announce more details.

I put my e-mail in for more info.

Great!

Thank you for your time

My Pleasure!
 
Porco said:
I'm already having to think how on earth I'm going to update my parent's machines on their flaky, slow connection.
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I'm thinking my parents with their flaky slow connection can probably live without the latest and greatest OS. As long as they're happy with their emailing and web browsing and facebooking on their rinky dink line, I'm not messing with them.

Maybe when they're ready to upgrade their cable, it will be time to upgrade to Lion.
 
Wow, just 23,99 EUR in Germany. Really something to get used to, usually the euro prices are the same as the dollar prices. I hope this gets to Apple hardware too someday.
Anyhow, shame that it's available through the Mac App Store only though I feel that they have to react to the people not knowing what to do when they change the hdd or the people that have more than just one mac at home. They can't just ignore the fact that this is extremly annoying. I guess they will give the option to back Lion up somehow.
 
What about clean installs and dual booting with Snow Leopard?

I am anxious to find out if anyone knows how this is going to work. I like to have the ability to do a clean install if needed or may even want to dual boot Lion and Snow Leopard. I have to imagine they will still have to offer a DVD installer of some sort for those who live in remote locations and do not have a high speed connection? Any thoughts anyone Let me know, I will want to get my hands on a DVD....
 
I'm not the only one who's baffled by how we can download this once onto one Mac and then transfer it to the second Mac--somehow--without buying it twice.

Can someone clarify, please?
 
Sigh - well, my internet at home stinks - caps out at 1MBPS during 'optimal' times, and is usually lower than that. Problem is it's the best alternative I have - no other form of high-speed is available for me.

If it's true that I can download it once and copy the dmg to other machines, then I guess that will work as I'll just take my MBP to someplace with a fast connection and go from there.

But I do not like the download-only model at all. There should be a physical option for those with crappy connections. I suspect Apple may quietly release one for those who ask.
 
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