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This simply won't happen, at least not without something like PearPC.

Apple wants to make money off of their software, but they make most of their money from their hardware.
Now tell me, does any business man offer one product to be licensed to someone else to make a little more money for it, even if it will end the sales of the more profitable products? NO

When OS X runs on non-Apple hardware such as x86, people (remember the majority go for price over quality) will buy OS X for their x86 and spend very little on hardware that Apple won't profit on.

This "rumor" shouldn't have even made Page 2

EDIT: Also, why spend all of the R&D to get OS X working with the amazingly large amounts of hardware that x86 (PC=Personal Computer, my iMac is a PC, my mom's Windows machine is a PC, please don't claim PC = Windows compatible computer) supports.
 
sord said:
Apple wants to make money off of their software, but they make most of their money from their hardware.
Now tell me, does any business man offer one product to be licensed to someone else to make a little more money for it, even if it will end the sales of the more profitable products? NO

Please read my post at the very bottom of page 7. I think it may solve that problem.
 
365 said:
Clones let competition come after Apple's already low market share, OSX on x86 is Apple going after the competitions market share. It would mean a change in startegy Apple would have to split into a hardware and software divison. But look at Microsoft, license that garbage they call an OS hasn't done a whole lot wrong for their bottom line has it.

Apple always have been a software company that make hardware.

Microsoft's as vunerable as they're going to get. I hope Apple recognizes this before another company such as google takes advantage of the situation.
 
narco said:
Oh God no. I think if this were to happen, that would be the start of viruses and spyware on OS X.


How so? Do you have any qualified basis for that statement, or do you just "think" it?

There are viruses and spyware rampant on Windows because of the *design* of the product. Not because of popularity/market share. Please restrain your hysteria.
 
Show me the money!

All you nay sayers...get over it! This is going to happen. Apple would be foolish not to do it. The significant thing here is that computer manafacturers are asking for it; this means there is intense interest and demand. I have always believed that once someone seriously uses OS X they will not want to go back to Windows.

Why do you think they had the president of Sony on stage at the keynote? To sell camcorders? Please. You heard Jobs, "we're in!" OS X is Apple's best kept secret and it is much better than Windows. With 6 billion in projected revenue from iPod sales alone, why not add another 6 billion in software sales?

And don't give me that crap about a $3000 dollar mac vrs a cheap pc and the end of Apple hardware BS. Apple will sell even more hardware if they do this. Their superior desigs will insure that.

Show me the money!!!
 
stealthboy said:
Apple prides itself on its entire image. The whole package - the shiny, white, well-designed boxes running the well-designed OS. It all comes together to make for a great user experience, from opening the box to using the machine.

True, the whole package is Apple's pride.

stealthboy said:
Who wants OS X on a boring, bland, beige PC? Nobody.

Nope, you're wrong on that. Every time there's the "Mac OS for x86" topic, about half the replies are "yes I'd like that very much".

Windows is insecure, Linux isn't ready, people don't want to ditch their hardware. Not everyone cares as much as Apple about their shiny computers. Most just want to use their computers easily and OS X would allow just that, no matter what the computer actually looks like (it's completely irrelevant).

"Mac" OS X for x86 would make millions of switchers in less than a week.

Will it happen? Not after Apple has opened hundreds of stores in the USA and is slowly opening stores in other countries. And especially not after the introduction of the Mac mini which allows a switcher to keep everything but the actual computer box.

As far as style is concerned... I mean, what do you think about a Dell switcher's setup?! A Dell monitor, keyboard and mouse, hooked up to a Mac mini. Is it uglier than a "100% pure" Apple computer? Yes. Does it removes something from the OS X experience? Not if you actually use the computer instead of looking at it.

Most people don't buy a computer for how it looks. If that were true, you wouldn't mind running Windows on your Apple computer.
 
Lanbrown said:
How about this, Sony and Toshiba sell computers. Companies use said computers, companies use windows. If they wanted to switch, they would. If they wanted to get away from windows, then why are they still using it? Next, Toshiba plans to use Cell in their consumer devices, like TV’s and such. Sony will do the same, as well as the PS3. Lastly, IBM has AIX as well as linsux. There is little reason why IBM would want a third, it just doesn’t mesh with their strategy.

The articles you speak of are based solely on speculation.

Actually, those companies have been using Linux more and more, but can't replace Windows because there are no other consumer OSes that work. "If they wanted to switch, they would"? That makes no sense- Apple doesn't license OS X, how could they switch?
 
I think what most people are saying about security issues is rather hypocritical. Most here are the "mac-faithful" and you would only wish good things to happen to Apple. However, here some of you are saying it is a bad thing to license the OS because then mass amounts of people would have it and it would become crippled like Windows.

One positive is if big computer manufacturers use OS X it would most likely encourage software companies to make more Apple compatible software (not just a Virtual PC fix anymore).

We all know however, that Apple would need to be prepared to either cut prices of their computer line or discontinue selling the hardware. I doubt Apple is ready to submit to big PC makers after coming this far.
 
jared_kipe said:
Ok first off we're talking about traditional x86 hardware, if its a CELL PC, then it won't be compatible with any PC software so it can't really be called a PC no more than one can call an imac a PC. Will it run HalfLife 2, don't count on it, Halflife uses windows, and x86 hardware, and the underlying framework of it, since the makers of halflife havn't said anything about porting it to PowerPC why would you ASSUME they would port it to whatever OS CELL "PCs" will be running?

Secondly, making Mac OSX run on some bastard CELL computer (not gonna call it a PC) what makes you think thats going to offer competition to PC manufacturers? Cause people are going to go, man I need a new computer, and I want it to run OSX, but I can't get a mac cause macs suck, so I'll buy a CELL computer even though it can't run any software available today. I don't think so.

The Cell processor includes a PowerPC core, so it should be able to run all software today.
 
d.perel said:
I'm so conflicted :confused: BUT...

I want OSX to enlighten the world of our window-using friends, but I don't want apple hardware to go belly-up. Maybe if apple used PC manufacturers to build specially branded, basic (but still intel based) versions of HP or Dell computers, and market them under the mac mini as larger, yet cheaper mac machines. I'd say for a price of about $330, without screen. Also, Mac OSX will only be usable on these certain computers, not all PC machines. This way,OSX will gain ground, the mac mini can compete, but the high-end mac hardware will not be edged out! If only it were true... :rolleyes:

Would not work. The Intel based computers running Mac OS X would be unable to run Mac software.
 
Yvan256 said:
True, the whole package is Apple's pride.



Nope, you're wrong on that. Every time there's the "Mac OS for x86" topic, about half the replies are "yes I'd like that very much".

Windows is insecure, Linux isn't ready, people don't want to ditch their hardware. Not everyone cares as much as Apple about their shiny computers. Most just want to use their computers easily and OS X would allow just that, no matter what the computer actually looks like (it's completely irrelevant).

"Mac" OS X for x86 would make millions of switchers in less than a week.

Will it happen? Not after Apple has opened hundreds of stores in the USA and is slowly opening stores in other countries. And especially not after the introduction of the Mac mini which allows a switcher to keep everything but the actual computer box.

As far as style is concerned... I mean, what do you think about a Dell switcher's setup?! A Dell monitor, keyboard and mouse, hooked up to a Mac mini. Is it uglier than a "100% pure" Apple computer? Yes. Does it removes something from the OS X experience? Not if you actually use the computer instead of looking at it.

Most people don't buy a computer for how it looks. If that were true, you wouldn't mind running Windows on your Apple computer.


Millions of switchers in a week? There would be NO SOFTWARE for it. Remember, EVERY SINGLE PEICE OF MAC SOFTWARE is PowerPC compiled, and would therefore be unable to run on a computer with an x86 processor. It's physically impossible without emulation (which would essentially cut the x86 PC's speed to about 1/10th).
 
Object-X said:
All you nay sayers...get over it! This is going to happen. Apple would be foolish not to do it. The significant thing here is that computer manafacturers are asking for it; this means there is intense interest and demand. I have always believed that once someone seriously uses OS X they will not want to go back to Windows.

Why do you think they had the president of Sony on stage at the keynote? To sell camcorders? Please. You heard Jobs, "we're in!" OS X is Apple's best kept secret and it is much better than Windows. With 6 billion in projected revenue from iPod sales alone, why not add another 6 billion in software sales?

And don't give me that crap about a $3000 dollar mac vrs a cheap pc and the end of Apple hardware BS. Apple will sell even more hardware if they do this. Their superior desigs will insure that.


Show me the money!!!

apple would be foolish to sell out their os what they need to do is advertise the mac mini and advertise panther and with the mac mini selling in best buy that will give people a chance to see and use a mac everyones sick of windows and wants to find somthing new so if apple would just let more people know about their products im sure many windows users would be happy to make the switch
 
Steve is way too proud of OS X to let it into the Personal Confuser market. He wants the credibility lended by the manufacturers that are persuing him for it. Plus, "clones" as many have called them would hurt Apples sale of Powermac hardware, which is beat out in every aspect by PC hardware except the processor. I'm not as processor savvy as some of you guys on here, but doesn't the x86 processor still use CISC based processing and the PowerPC use RISC?
 
Been through this one before

Doesn't anyone remember "clones" and what they did to Apple. It nearly bankrupted the company, simply because customers weren't buying PowerMacs, they were buying clone machines.

Licenscing OS X is probably the dumbest idea I've ever heard, and my god, I hear it over and over.

Like many other posters said, why would you spend X amount of dollars on a PowerMac, when you can have the OS X experience on a cheap, crap Dell machine? (Sorry Mike!)

I don't think anyone in Apple management will be dumb enough to let history repeat itself, of course there's always someone who thinks he/she knows better...
 
The point which many people have seemed to miss is that Apple Computer started and continues to be a HARDWARE company, that just happens to make insanely great software to go along with their hardware. What makes your mac different from a generic PPC Linux box put together by say, IBM is the Mac ROM. If you haven't noticed, its been quite some time since Apple has allowed anyone to license that from them (And to all you Basilisk II/vMac users, you haven't exactly seen any old versions floating around Apple's site for download, have you? ;) ) By releasing the oft-cited Marklar x86 OS X, Apple would be for all intents and purposes giving up the hardware game, because while aesthetics still matter to some people, the bottom line will be price, and there will always be someone out there doing it cheaper, if not better. What it boils down to is that in end; its not going to happen.
 
jdawg4324 said:
well your lack of using os 9 is your prob. os 9 was a great os and in many ways better than os x. and its 1000000000x times better then windows

Ok, I only have a few gripes with OS X... The GUI, for example; I love the eye-candy, yes, but overall, the GUI is blatantly inconsistent, and on purpose. To engage in an "Aqua vs. Brushed Metal" argument would be a bit off-topic, IMHO, but still, I must point out that Apple is bringing yet another interface look ("dashboards", which are those translucent dialogs, not to be confused with Dashboard, which, by the way, introduces some "fun" and inconsistent widget skins, but since they are on a layer of its own, they don't pose a big problem).

I have some other gripes with both Mac OS and OS X, like the status bar in the Finder not displaying info on the *active* directory, or the inability to manually erase/safely erase files one by one without having to empty the trash, the fact the the "close" button is next to the other two as opposed to the OS 9's layout, which was smarter, the fact you can't easily uninstall applications unless you know what .plist files and Application Support stuff are, just to name a few. But don't forget, Tiger will be the 4th major OS X release... All new Macs (except maybe for the eMac) can't boot OS 9 anymore. I don't care how great it was.

I see it this way: Windows 3.1 was much more stable than Windows 95, but it was less powerful and much more cumbersome. As such, Microsoft sacrificed stability over some stupid multimedia functionality. Apple, OTOH, developed a new, rock solid OS almost from scratch, and adopted some UI stuff from NextSTEP, which some Mac traditionalists may never get used to, like the Dock or the Unix*ish multiple user environment... But you can't argue, however, that it wasn't worth it! What about Quartz Extreme? Exposé? And what about CoreImage? Spotlight...? (ok, now you're going to say that the Apple's Spotlight patent depicts a Mac OS 9 menu, or that Copland would kick a**, or something like that...).

You must understand that I wasn't bashing OS 9 (even though, anyway, from what I've read from everywhere around the Net is that OS X is much more stable than the classic Mac OS). I was just saying that OS 9 looks like it sucks when compared to Panther, in the same way I would say that Windows 95 sucks when compared with Windows 98SE (I'm using these two examples because those were the two Windows OSes, apart from 3.1, which I used the most. My PC box now has Windows 2000, but I barely touch it these days, and I hate XP with a passion even though I don't use it much frequently). The Windows Explorer from 98SE sucks big time because it is "integrated" with IE, while the Windows 95 Explorer was a paradigm of simplicity, the perfect Finder rip-off! However, 98SE was much more stable and useful than 95, so I didn't care much about Explorer anyway.

That being said, unless I got some serious issues by installing, say, 98SE (which wouldn't be very surprising :rolleyes: ), I wouldn't think twice about getting the latest and "greatest" "big thing". But that's just me, I'm about to shell out €150 for Tiger because of that.

But one thing is skipping an OS iteration, or downgrading to the previous version. Porting a six-year-old, four-version-old, one-generation-old OS would be an absurdity ;) What software would run on it? Photoshop 7 (or 6, I'm not sure)? QuarkXPress 5 (or was it 4? I don't know either)? Microsoft Office 98???

Some people don't like the 4G iPod's clickwheel; Is Apple still producing 3G iPods to satisfy those red-LED-lovers? (hey, I have a 3G iPod and I love it ;) )

Progress is just like that. Sometimes something you like better than anybody else likes has to go away, for the sake of progress. Sad? Maybe. :eek: Necessary? Absolutely :cool:.
 
So what if it runs OS X if it's still a junky Dell. At that point it's not Mac OS X, it's OPENSTEP 5 and can't run much software.

For the customer, it's better to get a mini.

For HP if that's who's involved, make a good printer, that's where your money is.

Gateway? Go out of business already. eMachines computers can only be made tolerable by stopping before the H and most everyone knows that and gets a Dell, and nobody buys Gateways anymore.

Dell has no reason to do this, they'd be better off with GNU/Linux which they can get for free.

And I see no real advantage for Apple -- I buy my Macs as much for the iBook or the iMac as for OS X; the hardware is good value.
 
SteveC said:
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverrrrrrrrrrr. Please, no....

If PC users want to run OS X, they can buy a Mac.

the problem is, most of them don't know about it. As apple has been finding out, they have to go fetch the customers, the customers don't come to them. Also, it would invite pleanty of new developers to the platform, so people cant say they use windows because there are more games and other apps etc..

That is just a point, but i still don't think apple should do it. it would hurt the income for apple hardware, and the apple name. Apple needs to find some sort of compromise. A way to get other companies on apples side, but use them to get more people to the mac, while still helping the other company. Much like what apple did with HP.

Also, forgive me if im wrong, but for thoes of you who is saying that all sorts of applications will have to be recompiled, i believe you are wrong and that the operating system runs the applications. Yes the computer runs the operating system, but doesn't run the applications directly, so they wouldn't have to be recompiled, just the OS rewritten. (a hell of a lot of work btw. too riskey for apple to put that much money in somthing like this)
 
I imagine:

WWDC 2005

Apple introduces the Power Mac G6, running off a Cell at something in the ballpark of 3.4, 4, and 4.6 GHz, with OSX Tiger 10.4.1 (Cell enabled) installed. Apple quietly discontinues the xServe shortly after IBM lisences OSX to use in its own Cell based servers. Come fall, Sony uses the Cell in the PS3 and in Media Center style boxes- running a variant of OSX and iLife. Toshiba does the same thing, but mainly in international and developing markets (such as China) where Apple has a relatively minimal presence.

Soon, we'll have OSX in our computers, our PVRs, our Servers. Our cell phones will run iTunes. Our game consoles will be Apple's vanguard in the gaming department.

As for people saying Apple should neuter OSX- never. That is worse than anything. Not only will it be running on an ugly box, but it won't run quite right- giving PC users an even worse impression of the OS, which justifies their opinion that their next computer should run Windows. No neutering.
 
Solution: Build it Yourself Macs

First of all, simmer down guys! OS X is better programmed than Windows. If in the future, it does get ported to Intel, you'll still have less risk of getting hacked. Viruses, sure. There's already a few Mac viruses. And yes, the number of them would probably increase if Mac got ported to the PC. Why? Because it would take over the planet! I wouldn't worry too much about it, though. Apple isn't stupid. They'd figured out something.

I'm not saying I agree with it, just trying to prevent a riot. ;)

I'd say the solution would be Apple allowing "Build it Yourself Macs." Or even better, not only allowing them, but selling the parts THEMSELVES! It would still keep Mac rock-solid and secure, because it would still be PPC + Apple wouldn't lose any money. If they'd allow this, I'd be one of the first people building them.
 
Why would Jobs ever do this?

Seriously, why would Apple ever do such a thing? If they were ever going to do it, it would have been a few years back when Motorola had them stuck at 500Mhz and hurting pretty bad (remember that?) They aren't hurting now. So what would Apple gain by letting other hardware manufacturers undercut their own hardware? Yes, they would get a market share increase, but what would that matter? The world is pretty much stuck in Windows and there's only so much Apple can gain back at this point, no matter how good OS X is and no matter how good the hardware is. I love Apple's products, but let's be realistic. I think they're doing it right--slow and steady. They've solidified a user base that was rapidly eroding 8-10 years ago and have built on it. What more could you ask for?

Frankly, this desire to see Apple dominate the world is a little puzzling. I don't understand the purpose of it.
 
Newb

As being new to Mac OSX I hope that it does get licensed to run on PC hardware. Im not new to the computer fied and I think that it would change the Mac community at large and really turn the mac community into an ugly one. Point being mac users ARE VERY different from PC users.
 
go for it

i think they should go for it.

it would put apple back on the map because people are sick of all this spyware crap and security issue's.
 
jared_kipe said:
Ok first off we're talking about traditional x86 hardware
You're talking about x86 hardware-I'm not.

jared_kipe said:
if its a CELL PC, then it won't be compatible with any PC software so it can't really be called a PC no more than one can call an imac a PC.

PC = Personal Computer. My iMac is my personal computer iMac = PC its not a Windows PC thats why Windows PCs are called 'windows PCs' but it is still a Personal Computer, likewise a computer based on this CELL chip, assuming it is targeted at consumers, will also be a PC. Unfortunately the term PC has been hijacked to represent windows PCs alone and that's why software says PC/MAC on it, it doesn't make it right, but I see your point, although it does seem like you are arguing for arguments sake.

jared_kipe said:
Will it run HalfLife 2, don't count on it, Halflife uses windows, and x86 hardware, and the underlying framework of it, since the makers of halflife havn't said anything about porting it to PowerPC why would you ASSUME they would port it to whatever OS CELL "PCs" will be running?

Did you even read my post?

Now assuming that the OS is licensed and OS X sees a greater market share-which given the PC manufacturers involved (eg sony) and their own branding its hard not to-Software for the platform would become more widely available and better supported. You wouldn’t be waiting 2 years for a PC game to come to the market (for example), not only would software manufacturers be unable to avoid OS X but the users would be so many that their voice would have to be heard-Apple we WANT java 5 and we want it NOW :cue Steve Jobs: “okey-dokey then; have it for you by next week”
If OS X gains a greater market share then software producers would be fools to ignore it, software in general would come to the platform quicker and with more support. HalfLife 2 was picked as an example of a game that hasn't made it to OS X for whatever reason. All of this was in my last post, its about software in general. Perhaps you should read it? :rolleyes:

jared_kipe said:
Secondly, making Mac OSX run on some bastard CELL computer (not gonna call it a PC) what makes you think thats going to offer competition to PC manufacturers? Cause people are going to go, man I need a new computer, and I want it to run OSX, but I can't get a mac cause macs suck, so I'll buy a CELL computer even though it can't run any software available today. I don't think so.

Apple offers competition and so does linux, why wouldn't an IBM/Toshiba/Sony offering be competition? If I had the opportunity to by a machine by Toshiba IBM or Sony that wasn't crippled by Windows, for less than the price of a Power Mac, but with upgradeablity, I would and I suspect after seeing what OS X could do I would then move on to Apple Hardware, if I could a) afford a powermac or b) wasn't bothered about upgradeability.
The point you dont get is about software for OS X, if OS X had Apple Toshiba IBM and Sony behind it, which software manufacturers would ignore it? Its not about buying a particular brand of OS X pc it is about gaining increased overall market share for the OS which can only be a good thing for us. It goes back to the HalfLife 2 thing. No it isn't on the Mac and probably wont be in the near future but with enough people using OS X you can be damn sure that it would be ported if the makers of the game thought there was sufficient profit to be made.
Its all about supply and demand. At the moment people look at the Mac and think is there enough demand to make porting 'software x' profitable, at the moment the answer may be no, but with several other manufacturers using OS X and with the extra users they bring in the future the answer will likely be yes-no matter what 'software x' happens to be, as this happens more user will turn to the platform and it will have a snowball effect.
I also realise that software designed for CELL may not work with PPC but if Apple licenses OS X then I am sure they will have the good sense to ensure all software released for CELL is PPC compatible, if only to avoid confusion with the consumer.

FINALLY LIKE I SAID THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION. I don't mind if you disagree with me but at least READ THE POST.

EDIT:
GFLPraxis said:
The Cell processor includes a PowerPC core, so it should be able to run all software today.
 
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