Hmmmmm...interesting. If history is any lesson, having this already in the software is fairly good proof that it is coming...someday a least.
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Hmmmmm...interesting. If history is any lesson, having this already in the software is fairly good proof that it is coming...someday a least.
"IBM compatible" is vernacular left over from the past.
In fact .you should have been saying IBM+Apple 6-7 years ago since Apple, IBM and Motorola are the alliance that created the PowerPC spec off of the POWER chip series of IBM's design.
More IBM + Apple = A Good Thing[ tm]
Not everyone can afford a BMW, either. But you don't see them dumbing down there products to compete with Hyundai, do you? It's called niche marketing and Apple happens to be quite good at it.
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That wouldn't necessarily mean "dumbing" anything down. Even 5gigs can be overkill for daily use. They could make a killer, overpriced flash memory player if they wanted to, but that market's already pretty established. Apple's getting their first taste of competition for the iPod and that's good for everybody!
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IIRC, DivX is a completely different format that hijacked the MPEG4 moniker while the MPEG group was working out the actual MPEG4 standard and now supports the format.
DivX has no relationship with the MPEG group, unless something's changed recently.
IIRC, DivX is a completely different format that hijacked the MPEG4 moniker while the MPEG group was working out the actual MPEG4 standard and now supports the format.
DivX has no relationship with the MPEG group, unless something's changed recently.
AMD on Macs
To someone's comment saying "Apple did consider switching to x86 chips (most likely AMD) before committing to IBM."
How sweet would've that been? AMD is the best chip maker out there. If I could have my eMac with a 2000xp instead of a 1ghz g4 it would be wonderful! Plus I could probably get it for cheaper.
To someone's comment saying "Apple did consider switching to x86 chips (most likely AMD) before committing to IBM."
How sweet would've that been? AMD is the best chip maker out there. If I could have my eMac with a 2000xp instead of a 1ghz g4 it would be wonderful! Plus I could probably get it for cheaper.
To quickly get back to the guy who said "MS was declared a monopoly and nothing happened" (paraphrased), the reason for that is that MS gave lots and lots of money to the Bush campaign.
As soon as he took over, the Department of Justice settled for a slap on the wrist - well, not even that!
Then there was the massive Windows buy by the Department of Homeland Security... I noticed they didn't get anything CLOSE to the deal offered to Munich. Then again, I doubt whether they bargained at all.
If you break federal laws against fair trade practices and break perjury laws, why wouldn't you "legally" bribe an entire political party, too?
As soon as he took over, the Department of Justice settled for a slap on the wrist - well, not even that!
Then there was the massive Windows buy by the Department of Homeland Security... I noticed they didn't get anything CLOSE to the deal offered to Munich. Then again, I doubt whether they bargained at all.
If you break federal laws against fair trade practices and break perjury laws, why wouldn't you "legally" bribe an entire political party, too?
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The "official" Divx is now MPEG4 compliant.
http://www.divx.com
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The "official" Divx is now MPEG4 compliant.
http://www.divx.com
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You can be the best chip maker and lose money because antitrust laws are not enforced, or because the public is gullible or ignorant. Or are you really saying that when it was the best selling car in America, that the Ford Escort was also the best car? Or that because Ford is profitable now and DaimlerChrysler is not, that Fords are better than Dodges and Jeeps?
Profitability and quality are separate entities. You can make the best of something and the best price and not have good sales or profits.
Profitability and quality are separate entities. You can make the best of something and the best price and not have good sales or profits.
Marked theory says that the best product should win and be the bestseller. Best product includes such things as price, marketing and security.
The escort is easily better than more expansive cars since it is affordable for most people.
Noone is getting fired for buying a wintel computer, so companies buy a lot of them.
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I was just looking at that. They're complaint now, but saying MPEG4 is synonymous with or based on DivX is misleading.
I was just looking at that. They're complaint now, but saying MPEG4 is synonymous with or based on DivX is misleading.
You mean market theory I assume. Market theory says the best product shoudl win GIVEN rational customers with full information. Market theory as properly taught notes that this ideal situation NEVEr exists. If it did, why would we have marketing?
The Ford Escrot was never, never the best car for the money. Not even when it was the best seller.
Nobody is fired for buying a Wintel is NOT the same as "a Wintel provides a better price-performance package" which your AMD statement would seem to assume.
As for AMDs being noisy, well, my PC was very noisy...for $20 I bought a slot-style fan which both does a better job of cooling and reduces the noise considerably. The Mac is still quieter most of the time...
The Ford Escrot was never, never the best car for the money. Not even when it was the best seller.
Nobody is fired for buying a Wintel is NOT the same as "a Wintel provides a better price-performance package" which your AMD statement would seem to assume.
As for AMDs being noisy, well, my PC was very noisy...for $20 I bought a slot-style fan which both does a better job of cooling and reduces the noise considerably. The Mac is still quieter most of the time...
I mentioned marketing, and with security I included all the other factors which make people choose the current market leader.
I am not very good with cars, but there are other factors than price/performance. Marketing, security, comfort, image, etc. Obviously a lot of people thought it was the best car for them.
I agree, all I said about AMDs was that they tend to produce a lot of heat.
I tried this as well, but it was an compaq where it was very difficult to replace parts.
To sum it up: you can define the best seller as the best product, just include enough factors of your choosing. It will rarely be price/performance or what "experts" see as the best product that is most selling.
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Most people who bought Escorts probably never looked at anything else...or looked at one or two others. Lots of people buy wtihout test drives!
How can marketing be included as part of a product's quality? Well, I guess if AMD has lousy marketing, they make lousy chips.
The factors which make a product leader should include illegal activities such as collusion, kickbacks, and bribes if you want to examine the Wintel dominance.
A lot of people think Windows is the best thign for them, too. Because they don't test drive a Mac. Or because they have boneheaded ideas about them.
AMDs produce roughly the same amount of heat as similar Intel chips.
"To sum it up: you can define the best seller as the best product, just include enough factors of your choosing. It will rarely be price/performance or what "experts" see as the best product that is most selling."
In other words, you can explain anything by putting in enough noise. Well, yes. I was refuting someone else's nonsensical logic that AMD must be somehow inferior because the company is losing money. The company loses money because it's up against a monopolistic competitor, a FUD campaign, and ignorant buyers. And yet it manages to stay alive and with a tiny fraction of Intel's budget, produces better (in terms of price and performance, with energy consumption, heat, and quality roughly equal to Intel) chips.
And by the way, Ford lost money on each Escort they sold!
How can marketing be included as part of a product's quality? Well, I guess if AMD has lousy marketing, they make lousy chips.
The factors which make a product leader should include illegal activities such as collusion, kickbacks, and bribes if you want to examine the Wintel dominance.
A lot of people think Windows is the best thign for them, too. Because they don't test drive a Mac. Or because they have boneheaded ideas about them.
AMDs produce roughly the same amount of heat as similar Intel chips.
"To sum it up: you can define the best seller as the best product, just include enough factors of your choosing. It will rarely be price/performance or what "experts" see as the best product that is most selling."
In other words, you can explain anything by putting in enough noise. Well, yes. I was refuting someone else's nonsensical logic that AMD must be somehow inferior because the company is losing money. The company loses money because it's up against a monopolistic competitor, a FUD campaign, and ignorant buyers. And yet it manages to stay alive and with a tiny fraction of Intel's budget, produces better (in terms of price and performance, with energy consumption, heat, and quality roughly equal to Intel) chips.
And by the way, Ford lost money on each Escort they sold!
Yep it was, I remembering stumbling across my dad's stash back when I was in second grade. Luckily for me he had all the classics of the late seventies and early eighties. Yay me.
Well if we're going to be picky about it. MP3 is slang for "ISO-MPEG Audio Layer 3" and it covers both MPEG-1 (IS 11172-3) and MPEG-2 (IS 13818-3) (reference). So we're both wrong.
However, I stand by my statement that the confusion caused by MP3 is why the MPEG group skipped MPEG-3 and called it MPEG-4 and why the audio layer is called AAC instead of MP4.
Why don't you just burn a CD?
SonicBlue Rio (128 MB/128 Minutes): $107
CD Player: $20
Pack of Blank CD-R's: $6
Conclusion: Compared to CD players and CD-R's, cheap flash memory MP3 players are a ripoff. It's only worth it once you get an iPod.
Apple's ultimate failure was caused by all sorts of factors other than not licensing. So it's reasonable to say that licensing isn't the whole deal.
I don't know about that, but what most people fail to see is that Betamax cassettes couldn't hold an entire movie on one cassette.
MPEG4 is largely based on QuickTime. It's the new compressed video standard. MPEG3 was a flop. MPEG2 is indeed used for DVD's. MPEG1 is what most .mpg files you see are.
Problem is, there is no one "best product". Everyone has their own needs and priorities, leading to a diverse marketplace.
More revisionism. Open standards win because the industry realizes that it is better to go at it together instead of alone. Some things are better left as commodities. BTW: open standards are not necessarily free and often aren't--examples: IEEE-1394, mp3, MPEG-4, AAC, CD Audio, DVD, etc.
More equivocation. You need to take a basic course in economics and study the definition. Monopolies have a very straight economic definition, and legal ones are stricter to allow for some monopolies to exist. They are market defects and can be shown to exist naturally in some cases without bringing welfare economics into the picture.
Perhaps you've been reading too much Ayn Rand?
Actually the evidence is stacked against you. First of all your premise is false: the "defacto" standard is clearly MP3, after that the standard for pay-for-download music is clearly AAC/Fairplay (consistently outselling WMA by a better than 4 to 1 ratio).
Second, Apple does not move to compete with the standard by bundling MP3 encoding/decoding with iTunes. Apple does not move to compete with the defacto operating system standard by offering a Windows version.
On the other hand, Microsoft moves to compete with those standards by unbundling encoding support into Windows Media, by bundling Windows Media with the OS, by putting up a competing, lesser-quality WMA standard when the AAC standard is open to all, by strong-arming suppliers into adding DRM controls into their chips and cards, and by paying people like you to spread these lies.
I noticed you conveniently ignore whole swaths of my post. My premise is that Apple was acting in their business interest by not supporting WMA and that there is no business case to be made to support WMA and a number of cases against it. Yet you somehow take this as anti-Microsoft and somehow anti-capitalist. Hrmm....
This has nothing to do with my post. Apples official position has been rather consistent. They see convergence in the sense of a digital hub strategy (a synergy between peripherals and the PC), they do not see convergence as meaning those devices will be replaced by the PC (i.e. Media Center and TabletPC). I have my own personal views, but the truth is the jury is still out on which is right...
Wow! You're like a talking tutorial in logical fallacies--talk about begging the question! Who says the competitors have gotten what they want? I guess in the bizzaro world you live in everyone is happy with the settlement. In the real world, Microsoft is a monopoly and has in the past abused such a position. That's life and nothing to cry over. Laws and agreements are in place to hopefully keep that from continuing while people like you are paid to ensure Microsoft a three-peat.
Be sure to collect your MVP dollars from Microsoft for this post because it's a winner--after that, look in the mirror because you're the one piggybacking on Microsoft's coattails, not them. I won't bite on the rest of this because we're off topic.
Obviously nothing in fact in my previous posts encouraged it as well as my last post encouraged these players to approach Apple about licensing Fairplay (perhaps Sony will be the first if I read the spec sheet correctly). But if Microsoft is bundling then it is a clear violation of their agreement with the justice department. If Microsoft introduces a player and a service of their own and puts an icon on the desktop then it is arguably a violation also. If Microsoft continues to lose money on such a strategy in order to gain market share, then it is a obvious and classic case of using "rents". Look it up.
Oh, but I know you know this already because I triggerred this response by linking the MVP program. So I caused scum sucking bottom dwellers to come out of the woodwork in hope of making a buck. How fun!
For those keeping score "open standard" != "open source". I love the faulty analogy, but I'm not going to bite.
I think what I would do in this case is burn to CD (assuming Windows DRM allowed this which is mostly the case unless I buy from BuyMusic), and then rip into AAC or MP3.
In the reverse case, I'd use iTunes to transcode AAC->CD->MP3.
There'd be some loss in quality in both cases, but since I know Apple, at least, encodes from the masters which are not downsampled to CD audio, I think the quality loss is overrated.
Just my suggestion,
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MPEG1 defined 3 audio formats, layer 1, 2 and 3. MPEG1-Layer3 is the common mp3 format for sample rates greater than 32Khz (24Khz?). MPEG2 revised layers 1, 2 and 3 to include lower sampling rates (half rates of the original rates). Therefore it is fair to call the complete mp3 spec, MPEG2-Layer 3. MPEG2 also included a specification for NBC (non-backward compatible) audio that is the AC3 standard used in DVD production. As the original poster said, there was no MPEG3 due to confusion with MP3. MPEG4 is a standard by the MPEG4 consortium, DivX is a conforming implementation that typically uses a non-standard packaging and soundtrack (AVI & MP3). Standard MPEG4 videos use a Quicktime-like packaging scheme and AAC audio sountrack.
MPEG1 defined 3 audio formats, layer 1, 2 and 3. MPEG1-Layer3 is the common mp3 format for sample rates greater than 32Khz (24Khz?). MPEG2 revised layers 1, 2 and 3 to include lower sampling rates (half rates of the original rates). Therefore it is fair to call the complete mp3 spec, MPEG2-Layer 3. MPEG2 also included a specification for NBC (non-backward compatible) audio that is the AC3 standard used in DVD production. As the original poster said, there was no MPEG3 due to confusion with MP3. MPEG4 is a standard by the MPEG4 consortium, DivX is a conforming implementation that typically uses a non-standard packaging and soundtrack (AVI & MP3). Standard MPEG4 videos use a Quicktime-like packaging scheme and AAC audio sountrack.