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I'm pretty sure this isn't a mistake, nor I think it will come to the US any soon.
you see: in Europe, especially out of the UK, Mac has almost NO marketshare. right now, on the personal computing side, mac is gaining market share right now, and you can really se more and more people are using macs, but for network severs, they are really NOWHERE in Europe, MS has the high ground.
So I'm thinking this is just a strategy to spread some more Mac based network servers throughout Europe.
 
As an Apple Authorized Reseller I can confirm that the 10-client version of Mac OS X Server is bundled free with the Mac Pro.

I have no idea why it is this way, but we can imagine that they're giving a discount before the launch of Mac OS X Leopard.
 
I like it. I'd like to do some domain type stuff in my house. But I really don't want to have to BUY server for it. Maybe Apple just wants to make Server more accesable for IT admins who want to fool around with it. If I'm using it personally and am rather comfortable using it -- it's more likely that I'll recommend it for the office/company I work for/with -- and throw in a purchase of an XServe/XRAID to boot. I think it's smart.
Most of the apps for Server are built into the normal version, some you may have to install but they are available via fink or Darwin Ports if you want to use those. Server just has a GUI to use these apps rather than just using terminal.
 
As an Apple Authorized Reseller I can confirm that the 10-client version of Mac OS X Server is bundled free with the Mac Pro.

I have no idea why it is this way, but we can imagine that they're giving a discount before the launch of Mac OS X Leopard.

I was just thinking this was a really likely reason for this. I could imagine a lot of people not waiting (ah, waiters) to buy server since Leopard is coming so soon. Maybe free will make people think, "i'll take free now!"

So why not in the US?

and...

Does that mean we will see Leopard sooner than expected? How long before the release of Leopard would this make sense to do? a full 2 months?
 
So why not in the US?

I'm pretty sure this isn't a mistake, nor I think it will come to the US any soon.
you see: in Europe, especially out of the UK, Mac has almost NO marketshare. right now, on the personal computing side, mac is gaining market share right now, and you can really se more and more people are using macs, but for network severs, they are really NOWHERE in Europe, MS has the high ground.
So I'm thinking this is just a strategy to spread some more Mac based network servers throughout Europe.

;)
 
I'm pretty sure this isn't a mistake, nor I think it will come to the US any soon.
you see: in Europe, especially out of the UK, Mac has almost NO marketshare. right now, on the personal computing side, mac is gaining market share right now, and you can really se more and more people are using macs, but for network severs, they are really NOWHERE in Europe, MS has the high ground.
So I'm thinking this is just a strategy to spread some more Mac based network servers throughout Europe.

I immediately thought this is the case too. A simple attempt to gain more market share in the UK and the various countries where this is being offered.
 
Installation and maintenance of servers should indeed be done by experienced persons, but having OS X Server available for free means that any old sod is quite possibly going to select it regardless of whether they need it or not.

Surely using server software & hardware are elements that require expertise that will have been learnt, or will require training. This is something that Apple could indicate on the product.
The fact that a MacPro can be used as an office wide server is something the purchaser should be told about, and the benefits informed. Apple can also point the user in the direction of training (it must be to their benefit) as happy and contented customers are much better than complaining customers:rolleyes:
 
OS X Server doesn't include iLife. It's also far more fragile than OS X, and an average user could probably screw it up in just a few minutes.

Offering this for free probably isn't a good idea, especially when OS X Server isn't supported under Applecare - the pro support is insanely expensive and getting support off the web is difficult, not least because most support articles date back to older versions.

I love OS X Server, but it's not something that should be used on any machine other than a full on server.

THANK YOU! My thoughts exactly... I've been down that road of running OSX Server as a workstation. If you are not using the machine as a SERVER and it is a WORKSTATION, then don't run SERVER on this machine. SERVER doesn't perform any faster then the client version, if anything it's got more things running out of the box to slow it down.
 
Slow news day or what?!

Slow news day or what?! This site is getting worse and worse. It's obviously a typo and not a freebie. Come on man, wheres the editor?
 
Offer also in on Dutch Apple site

I am pretty convinced that the English offer must be genuine, since the offer is also available on the Apple Resale site in the Netherlands.
 
i would have to agree here.....but you never know....

It's definitely NOT a mistake, as the Swiss Store also shows it and updates the order status accordingly, without any increase in the price...the only explanation is that OS X Server Tiger is gonna be replaced pretty soon by OS X Server Leopard...that's all.
 
For example, changing the IP address of a machine running OS X Server screws up things like Open Directory.

Maybe so, but that's only if you enable Open Directory and configure the machine to use it for authentication. At least in Panther Server, a "standard" user would probably stick to the default NetInfo database. They'd have to go around and change things to get Open Directory. Maybe that's different in Tiger Server -- I don't have direct experience with it.

There's quite a detailed, command line, set of instructions that have to be followed in order to keep all of the services on the machine functional. There are also security implications if the user does not correctly configure and maintain the system, given the extra services that are running/can be run.

Huh, what? Again, is Tiger Server such a horrible product that it requires this constant maintenance or it'll go down in an instant? I find this extremely hard to believe. For me, Panther Server was a breeze to setup and it remains running quite well to this day without any maintenance. Just like the client version. What is all this extra maintenance that you speak of?

As for security, I don't know off the top of my head what extra services are enabled in the default OS X Server install, but they're all incredibly easy to turn off or firewall off in Server Admin. Really, that's the whole point of OS X Server -- the heart of it is in the nice admin tools you get.

Installation and maintenance of servers should indeed be done by experienced persons, but having OS X Server available for free means that any old sod is quite possibly going to select it regardless of whether they need it or not.

I think we could end up with a glut of users who are trapped without software support and wonder why the hell they spec'd a server operating system for their desktop.

I'll say it again - I love OS X Server, it's fab, but it needs a premium pricetag to keep it from ending up on consumer machines.

You're right in that the server admin tools expose extra settings and functionality that are hidden in standard OS X. But is that really such a huge problem? I don't see it. It's easy to screw up the standard OS by changing certain settings or deleting certain files. At some point, the OS has to assume that the user knows what they're doing and let them. Otherwise you get Vista's "security" features. ;)

Inexperienced users come in two flavors - those who don't touch anything they're not comfortable with, for fear of messing something up; and those who blindly click and change settings and hope for the best. The second kind will do just as much damage in Server as in standard OS X, and I'd argue the first kind won't do damage in either case. The click-and-damage users are just getting what's coming to them anyway. :p And for every one of those who chooses the "free" Server option that they don't need, I'll bet there's a bunch more power users who either know what they're doing or know enough to research before doing things, and why deny those power users a chance to utilize some of the extra server functionality? It's a big win for them.

As for iLife (commented in a few other posts), of course OS X Server doesn't come with it. No current version of OS X comes with it. :rolleyes: Older versions of iLife refused to install on Server, but for no real reason. The installer simply looked for a certain file that identified the OS as Server, and if you temporarily moved that file out of the way, it'd install and run perfectly. Again, I haven't had any problems with any client-oriented software on Panther Server. I assume (but don't know) that Tiger Server is the same.

my message is don't get OS X Server just because it's free!

My message is don't get OS X Server unless you plan to utilize its extra features. ;)
 
Whoa, really? That's the only difference? I wish that were explained more clearly in Apple's promotional materials. And here I thought it was basically crippled if you were gonna run a web or mail server..

From http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/specs.html
Mac OS X Server is available in 10-client and unlimited-client editions to meet the needs of your organization. Client restrictions apply only to simultaneous file sharing services for Mac and PC clients.

This does say "Mac and PC" so maybe they included SMB sharing restrictions in Tiger Server. It's ambiguous. Though that would be easy to defeat, as you could just grab the free version of Samba and use that instead of the Apple-provided version.

But there are apparently still no other restrictions.
 
UK and Ireland-store both show offer

The last moment I checked, that is after reading previous message, both the British/UK and the Irish, and also the Dutch store all showed this offer.
 
UK Store no longer shows this offer.
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Incorrect

Yes it does as of Tuesday 10th April you can buy OS X server for "free" wih a mac pro.

As an aside this offer is also showing in both the consumer apple store and the resellers apple store.

Also if you notice the price of unlimted server has dropped and also note that the price of the unliimted is still a little more than the cost of the 10 users.

So it is not a simple mistake it is a complete price revision.

Go fill your boots. If your buying a mac pro its a decent enough deal.
 
Offer is valid.

The UK website still displays it and to double check I called Apple UK who confirmed it.

Would be useful it a was made a bit clearer though.
 
It's showing as a £349 option to me on the UK store. £699 for the unlimited client. Seems like it was a mistake after all.


You are indeed now correct. It does show at the old full prices :)
 
Hmm, well it's does now look like a mistake.

The pricing has changed back as posted above and another call to Apple results in a slightly confusing 'the £349 / 699 pricing is correct'
 
For example, changing the IP address of a machine running OS X Server screws up things like Open Directory. There's quite a detailed, command line, set of instructions that have to be followed in order to keep all of the services on the machine functional.

This is actually much better in Tiger than it used to be.

Still, there has to be a really good reason to use an OSX server instead of a linux server, in my book. XServes are fussy - I've had entire machines relegated to the 'lemon' pile that could never be made to work (while others were fine). OSX makes a great client. Server-side is a bit fragile and buggy for non-basic things. But for someone who can't run a linux box, it's a good second option.

IMHO, OSX Server should be perpetually free with XServe. Raise the price a couple hundred bucks if necessary. I also advocate Apple selling a $300 lifetime (machine) subscription to OSX and iLife, but they haven't listened yet. When people were going out to buy Vista would have been the right time to introduce it, so I guess they're not ever going to listen to me. :cool:
 
Maybe so, but that's only if you enable Open Directory and configure the machine to use it for authentication. At least in Panther Server, a "standard" user would probably stick to the default NetInfo database. They'd have to go around and change things to get Open Directory. Maybe that's different in Tiger Server -- I don't have direct experience with it.
I use OS X Server (Tiger) every day. You should try it some time. The various versions of OS X Server vary quite a bit.
Huh, what? Again, is Tiger Server such a horrible product that it requires this constant maintenance or it'll go down in an instant? I find this extremely hard to believe. For me, Panther Server was a breeze to setup and it remains running quite well to this day without any maintenance. Just like the client version. What is all this extra maintenance that you speak of?
You're exaggerating what I said, and again I'd urge you to try Tiger Server some time - after all, they're not giving Panther Server away free :p

For anyone who isn't buying the Mac Pro as a server it makes far more sense to get the client OS installed. My fear is that inexperienced users may well choose Server just because it's free now, and then find no software support under Applecare and a very unfriendly looking interface with no iLife when they log in.

Apple could improve this with more information at purchasing time on the online stores, so I agree that being free is not, in itself, a bad thing. Alternatively they could live a little and bundle OS X and OS X Server discs with each Server machine. In any case, I'd imagine it's quite likely that once Leopard Server arrives they'll start charging again - and that looks quite different again to Tiger, so I'll have plenty of new chances to screw it up :)
 
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