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Excuse me for my stupidity but will 3rd party programs have to update for leopard>snow leopard like they did for tiger>snow leopard? or not?
 
Ok. Now let me remind you that with any of those computers you listed (the non Macs) you have to add a bunch of software to get the same functionality that you get with a Mac WITH iLife and OS X... Software is more than worth the difference, specially when you can start to use your Mac right away instead of spending maybe days removing all the crapware that comes with PCs these days...

Just a point of reference:

My old Dell Laptop:

1. 4 hrs calling support to go over the shipped computer specs with what I had ordered. Dang they keep you on hold for a long time and transfer you often. not to mention the guy was in india and did not speak english and onlty had a script in front of him and could not answer questions (just kept re-reading the same script)

2. 2 hrs making backups disks (mine was not shipped with any recovery disks and they wanted to charge me for them - most PC's you don't get disks and have to make your own backups; you are only given one chance on the first boot up only).

3. 1-2 hrs formating the hard drive to get rid of the restore partition, and crapware/trials so that I could have full use of my drive.

4. 1-2 hrs to restore the computer back.

4. 1/2 day to 1 full day switching over and installing my software and moving my data.

<hours for issues afterwards not included, this also includes downtime to reformat the hard drive once it became too fragmented and various other downtimes>


My macbook:

1. 15 min - take out of box, boot up and look around.
2. 1 hr to install software I purchased separately, and my old Windows software onto the parallels VM.
3. 2-3 hrs to move my data (I have gigbytes of books, movies, music, photos, etc - 100 gb worth and growing).

<had not had any issues in the 7 months I have been using it, so no downtime or hours considered>

When I buy my new mac (some point down the road):

1. 15 min - take out of box, boot up and look around.

Since I am using timemachine and an external drive, I know I can just drag my data from the drive to the new mac (I've done it before and also done it from this drive to another non-mac computer when I needed to move something) - not sure if applications in the applications folder would work correctly, probably better off re-installing as I will probably buy the newer versions anyway.

<time listed for draging data from timemachine backup to mac, not even a consideration. I would just start it up before bed and everything will be done in the morning>

<time for backing up new computer - not a consideration, I will just turn on time machine and let it backup while I am working>

Yes - I have spent more time getting a non-mac to the point of where I want it to use on an everyday bases, than I did with a mac.

Yes - thanks to ilife and other minimal apps a mac comes with (cleanly installed and non-trial versions), I have been able to ditch 1/2 to 3/4 of the software I owned.
 
Excuse me for my stupidity but will 3rd party programs have to update for leopard>snow leopard like they did for tiger>snow leopard? or not?

I think you meant.

tiger>leopard?

I have the same question myself.... since this is a stability update - one would think not. However with the switch from Carbon to Cocoa, introduction of OpenCL, and more multi-core processing - the jury is still out. Some say yes, some say no. we will just have to wait to see right now.

Anyone one with early developer seeds care to answer? Just a simple simple, I seen old Apps work or break would suffice - don't want to have you disclose any NDA's.

I think some update would occur or would be wanted so as to take advantage of any thing new introduced and faster processing. But truthfully, I think for right now - more is at the OS level and how commands are handled from the apps.
 
March 21, 2009

Most OS X have been released around that date in previous years.

Huh? Around that date, yes; around that month, no.

10.0 - 24 March 2001
10.1 - 25 September 2001
10.2 - 23 August 2002
10.3 - 24 October 2003
10.4 - 29 April 2005
10.5 - 26 October 2007

The Snow Leopard name is missing - maybe they won't name it SL after all. I see that as more of a code name.

Except that S.J. himself referred to it by name in his WWDC keynote, and it is clearly named on its own Apple web page. I wouldn't think either would happen if the name weren't official (and either of those trump the slides from this presentation, IMHO).
 
I doubt it'll be Q1 of 2009 - there is still a tonne of stuff that needs be added - the latest build of it was not feature complete, so I doubt they'll push out another release before Christmas and start pushing the RTM out to the cd stampers in February to aim for the end of the quarter. I have a feeling it will be 'finished' then but won't be released until after. As with any software company, there is a release date and a revenue release date.

This didn't stop them with Leopard. They dropped features, didn't do very extensive testing. They just started cashing in, and then slowly finished it as the months rolled by after release.
 
This didn't stop them with Leopard. They dropped features, didn't do very extensive testing. They just started cashing in, and then slowly finished it as the months rolled by after release.



Same with Tiger, and Panther... But I didn't have any problems with any of those versions (Panther, Tiger, Leopard). So for the general market Leopard was ready for release... A few people with problems (some major) aren't really showstoppers for normal users, only business and professional users. And they don't upgrade before it has been proven stable already (unless they have crappy IT Management)
 
Same with Tiger, and Panther... But I didn't have any problems with any of those versions (Panther, Tiger, Leopard). So for the general market Leopard was ready for release... A few people with problems (some major) aren't really showstoppers for normal users, only business and professional users. And they don't upgrade before it has been proven stable already (unless they have crappy IT Management)

No, Leopard Server was practically unusable until about 10.5.4. It was a rush job, and quality was clearly not a consideration. If it wasn't ready for business users then it should have been kept back. IT waits for Microsoft to fix their bugs. We shouldn't tolerate that, and we certainly shouldn't expect it from Apple as well.

Snow Leopard is coming... I bet we will see it tomorrow.

Not a chance. It's not ready yet.
 
No, Leopard Server was practically unusable until about 10.5.4. It was a rush job, and quality was clearly not a consideration. If it wasn't ready for business users then it should have been kept back. IT waits for Microsoft to fix their bugs. We shouldn't tolerate that, and we certainly shouldn't expect it from Apple as well.


I have no experience in the Server versions of OS X, so I'm not going to argue with you about that.
 
There's been some talk that they might rush it out by March or April. For anyone who installs it then, to paraphrase Bette Davis, "fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy ride."

With a release that quick (and ahead of time) I can only agree...
 
Absolutely no mention of Snow Leopard today? Worst MacWorld I've ever seen I have to say!
 
Absolutely no mention of Snow Leopard today? Worst MacWorld I've ever seen I have to say!
Assuming Snow Leopard is pegged for a Q3-Q4 2009 release, won't we hear more about it at WWDC? I've always gotten the impression that Macworld was more consumer-based and WWDC was more developer-based.

The fact is, most Mac users probably don't know or care about Snow Leopard. They are more interested in hardware and "fun" applications, like iPhoto.
 
Assuming Snow Leopard is pegged for a Q3-Q4 2009 release, won't we hear more about it at WWDC? I've always gotten the impression that Macworld was more consumer-based and WWDC was more developer-based.

The fact is, most Mac users probably don't know or care about Snow Leopard. They are more interested in hardware and "fun" applications, like iPhoto.
A $2800 Macbook Pro is not a consumer item... new iMacs and Mac Minis would have been.
 
Assuming Snow Leopard is pegged for a Q3-Q4 2009 release, won't we hear more about it at WWDC? I've always gotten the impression that Macworld was more consumer-based and WWDC was more developer-based.

The fact is, most Mac users probably don't know or care about Snow Leopard. They are more interested in hardware and "fun" applications, like iPhoto.

Thought it was Q1?
 
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