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Mac OS X Snow Leopard (10.6) Due in Q1 2009?
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Actually, I think the jury's still out on what MS will or won't wind up doing with Windows 7.
Already, I saw them adding "features" such as their gadget bar being phased out, in favor of the ability to place gadgets anywhere on the screen - and a feature that's supposed to auto-size application windows to 50% of the total screen space when they're drug off the left or right edges of the screen. The menu bar is being re-worked too, so minimized apps have their respective icons shown, vs. the rectangular boxes containing their names (and funny how it has quite the OS X dock look to it in the process).
It's still in such an early stage of development, it shares a LOT of GUI look and feel, and the entire "skeleton" of Vista - but that's in transition.
I'd venture to say it is pretty "fair" to argue that Apple's "Snow Leopard" upgrade is far more focused on strictly being a performance improvement release of OS X. Windows 7 is more about doing whatever MS can come up with to make people happy with the product, post Vista's marketing fiasco. Raw performance is one factor, but possibly not even a "primary" factor for Microsoft. They may wind up adding a ton of new features to "make the sale", since Vista was accused of being mostly eye-candy and no "substance" over XP.
Actually, I think the jury's still out on what MS will or won't wind up doing with Windows 7.
Already, I saw them adding "features" such as their gadget bar being phased out, in favor of the ability to place gadgets anywhere on the screen - and a feature that's supposed to auto-size application windows to 50% of the total screen space when they're drug off the left or right edges of the screen. The menu bar is being re-worked too, so minimized apps have their respective icons shown, vs. the rectangular boxes containing their names (and funny how it has quite the OS X dock look to it in the process).
It's still in such an early stage of development, it shares a LOT of GUI look and feel, and the entire "skeleton" of Vista - but that's in transition.
I'd venture to say it is pretty "fair" to argue that Apple's "Snow Leopard" upgrade is far more focused on strictly being a performance improvement release of OS X. Windows 7 is more about doing whatever MS can come up with to make people happy with the product, post Vista's marketing fiasco. Raw performance is one factor, but possibly not even a "primary" factor for Microsoft. They may wind up adding a ton of new features to "make the sale", since Vista was accused of being mostly eye-candy and no "substance" over XP.
Times have changed and now that statement is completely incorrect. I have had fully automated Mac deployment services in place for over 5 years. I've used Netrestore, Radmin, and now we are moving towards DeployStudio. All three have more features than Microsoft Windows Deployment Services and I'm even able to schedule a re-image, package install and bind to Active Directory by pressing one button. I support Macs in a Windows shop and the macs have no problem fully integrating into Active Directory, the home directories sit on Windows servers and we even use Exchange 2007 almost flawlessly. All of that doesn't even touch the fact that our Macs run pretty much problem free compared to our Windows PCs.
I should mention, those three products listed above were free. The closest thing to that for PCs is the full Ghost package which is very expensive and from our experience not as reliable. We backup to Symantec backupexec servers using the Unix plugin with no problems so we are fully integrated into our environment.
SR Macbook Pro, is it a good idea to stress the GPU?
Having a SR (late 2007) MBP, I wonder if it is really a good idea to stress the GPU with Snow Leopard, since Apple has admitted the nVIDIA chips are prone to failure... Maybe the problem is heat related?
Having a SR (late 2007) MBP, I wonder if it is really a good idea to stress the GPU with Snow Leopard, since Apple has admitted the nVIDIA chips are prone to failure... Maybe the problem is heat related?
That's what I usually do as well. Everyone get's all excited when they launch the latest OS, but its always more stable at 10.X.3+. The wait's worth not having all the headaches that the first ppl get.
a little late to the party eh? lol
I'm not holding my breath for a Q1 release. But hey you never know.
Yes on the Windows VM no on the OS X VM. The only way to get an OS X VM is through Parallels Server which would be cost prohibitive for your needs.
Steve talking about Snow Leopard at MWSF:
"It has this and it has that, yada yada yada". "and it available TODAY"
"It has this and it has that, yada yada yada". "and it available TODAY"
i'm just surprised we've had leopard this long. doesn't seem like it has been 13 months already. looking forward to what is to come, for sure!!
- after you said that, I looked at the price (and almost choked on my lunch). - OUCH! $1248.75Ok, looks like I
1. Don't upgrade onless the vast majority says it did not break older apps.
2. Wait until another year to a year 1/2 when my machine is 2 years (approaching 3), and my applecare is getting ready to expire - thus would warrent me getting a new machine with it already installed. By then I should have the money for a macbook pro (and hopefully be in a position of needing less software - that I would have to buy).
yep - hard to believe my macbook is 7 months old already, and my wife's mini is 3 months. I still feel like I just got the thing, and what is cool - it still performs that way
. I would have had to go through a tough time by now with windows (reinstalls, defrags, more memory, etc, etc, etc). I already killed 2 Dell's in that 7 month period.I love Apple. Can't wait to see what snow brings, but like I said in my last post - I may have to wait a while. SO GIVE FEEDBACK and LOTS OF IT. when it comes out.
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It has been so hard to follow:
1. Vista is the long awaited long horn
2. MS sued had to take a bunch of features out.
3. Trade commission would not allow the release because it did not live up to technological standards.
4. they rushed to put things back in, in a different way and rush a release because they were behind.
5. Vista is not the longhorn.
6. Windows 7 is the long horn.
7. Oh wait, SP1 (Mohave) did not fix what we hoped and it broke more, so windows 7 will be a stabilization release (much like SL).
So, yeah - I don't think we will have any clue (and I don't think MS has any clue) of what windows 7 will be until it is released.
Thank God apple knows what it wants to place its focus on, because I really think MS has lost its focus, especially since Gates is out of the picture (full time atleast).
I'm sooo looking forward to Snow Leopard. I enjoy 10.5, but I don't see it as being a major step up from 10.4. This time I'm feelin' the 10.6-vision. Snappier, speedier, smaller 'n' all is disruptive thinking in the OS development world. Me like.
That is wishful thinking, IMHO.
After the WWDC only one beta of 10.6 has reached the developers, and not one server version. Usually you'll see lots of developer seedings (betas), with each new release more frequently seeded when it nears RC status. Stuff like the setup assistant, or default desktop pic usually change too during its beta-life hinting at late beta or RC status.
IMHO the GM 10.6 release will probably be more late 2009 than summer 2009, let alone Q1. But, we'll see.
I can't imagine Apple treating 10.6 as something that different.... i.e. far less betas for devlopers.
I mean, I assume OpenCL will be one major target area for developers! I do think we will see a sneak preview of 10.6 @ MWSF '09, to show off how well Apple is doing... maybe Steve doing a *boom" on a 16 Core Mac Pro
After the WWDC only one beta of 10.6 has reached the developers, and not one server version. Usually you'll see lots of developer seedings (betas), with each new release more frequently seeded when it nears RC status. Stuff like the setup assistant, or default desktop pic usually change too during its beta-life hinting at late beta or RC status.
IMHO the GM 10.6 release will probably be more late 2009 than summer 2009, let alone Q1. But, we'll see.
I can't imagine Apple treating 10.6 as something that different.... i.e. far less betas for devlopers.
I mean, I assume OpenCL will be one major target area for developers! I do think we will see a sneak preview of 10.6 @ MWSF '09, to show off how well Apple is doing... maybe Steve doing a *boom" on a 16 Core Mac Pro
I think t0mat0 said it means something like "Level Windows Makes Laughable Attempts at Following" i.e. 20% is low, but 70% is a good result.
That came up on the first page of Google for LWMLAF, didn't even need to go to the link
You may be clueless, but the tens of thousands of people who are now running Windows 7 have a pretty good idea. Microsoft's had two recent large conferences focussed on Win7, and a lot of information has been released.
You should get a copy off the net and try it.
Quarter 1 or no, I'll wait at least two months from the date of release before I consider buying Snow Leopard.
1) Stability, even with the best will in the world there's always niggles.
2) Will it be worth my while to update from Leopard? Will I see a real-world difference?
I'm looking forward to seeing what Snow Leopard's like, though- anything new and shiny, the sooner the better
1) Stability, even with the best will in the world there's always niggles.
2) Will it be worth my while to update from Leopard? Will I see a real-world difference?
I'm looking forward to seeing what Snow Leopard's like, though- anything new and shiny, the sooner the better
I'd say about March 2009. Surprisingly early, but then again, the early rumors said MWSF 2009, so March is kinda in the middle.
Although I can see a tablet, I don't think Snow Leopard will be streamlined enough to run well on handheld devices (mini-tablet, "iPod stick").
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Even Haswell has 8 cores by default, so that's a lot to do in 3 years... but if they pull it off, I'll be impressed!
We heard the same crap about Vista before it was released with all those promises, as they say lipstick on a pig.