Mac OS X Snow Leopard Does Require Intel Processors

[AidenShaw]

Thats interesting, i'll have to look into Concert a bit.

Its good that MS supports old OSs. When i went from Tiger to Leo i lost almost all my 3rd party programs, but switching from XP to Vista only lost one or two which. It would be great if Apple gave a crap about legacy app support.

I should have said that "concert" is the pronounciation of "ConcRT", or "Concurrency RunTime".

You probably won't get many hits on "microsoft concert", but "concrt" or "concurrency runtime" should do well.

Microsoft is putting the multi-core threading support into the Visual Studio runtime libraries, not the operating system. Therefore any product can ship the redistributable DLLs with their code, and add ConcRT to old systems.

Brilliant.

No, it really is bigotry(although I don't mean to imply it on your part; sorry for that.). And most of the insults come from the Intel fans, who really have no stake in the matter. SL may include 32-bit support, but if you expect to run it in 64-bit mode, you will need 64-bit drivers. Apple will include their own drivers for many products, but 3rd party hardware will need to provide their own. Many older Apple products will probably see no 64-bit support, just as PPC sees no support. (Potential examples on Apple's part, actual status unknown by me: USB Modem, Firewire iSight, older printers, scanners, etc.)


Yes, and it says 64-bit Applications will have no problem with your hardware, which presumes you have drivers. It doesn't say the hardware will work in the first place, because Apple can't promise that.

Shhh.... Apple wants to claim that Windows has x64 driver hell, without admitting that Apple is joining the same club.

..., because PPC is already supported by OSX, just as 32-bit Intel is already supported on OSX. The hard work for both has already been done, and dropping PPC is not an example of 'saving' hard work, just as keeping 32-bit Intel doesn't really create new work.

Testing, QA and support cost a lot of money. Apple is indeed saving work and money by dropping support. It won't save much engineering cost, but it will save money.

 

[HyperZboy]

Apple is one of the most CASH RICH companies...

Apple is one of the most CASH RICH companies in the world!​

So, no excuses, it's a kick in the balls to people who purchased a Mac <3 years ago as well as the people who bought INTEL Macs last month and won't have OpenCL support.

And you're wondering why people are mad? DUH!​

 

[AmazingRobie]

Question about Snow Leopard and Early 2008 model 17" Mac Book Pros

Hello. First post here. I'm not sure if this is the appropriate thread to post this question, but I've gotta ask...with the release of Snow Leopard in September will the early model 2008 Mac Book Pros that aren't the unibodies be able to utilize over the current 6Gb limit of RAM like the unibodies or does noone know yet?

I've got one and I've been holding off on buying the 6Gb in the hopes of being able to buy 8Gb instead. It's a 4,1 Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.6 GHz processor, 1 processor, 2 cores and I'm not sure if it's Santa Rosa or otherwise or I would post that too. Please let me know. Thanks.

 

[nuckinfutz]

Apple is one of the most CASH RICH companies in the world!​

So, no excuses, it's a kick in the balls to people who purchased a Mac <3 years ago as well as the people who bought INTEL Macs last month and won't have OpenCL support.

And you're wondering why people are mad? DUH!​

Uh....................Ritalin.

 

[Maserati7200]

Snow Leopard won't really do much besides take up less space on PPC. Snow Leopard is optimized for 64 bit multi-cored processors. Most PPC's have a single core and are 32 bit. You will not get the speed boosts intel's are getting.

 

[Eidorian]

Snow Leopard won't really do much besides take up less space on PPC. Snow Leopard is optimized for 64 bit multi-cored processors. Most PPC's have a single core and are 32 bit. You will not get the speed boosts intel's are getting.

PowerPC 970GX would like to have a talk with you.

 

[castlema]

Do you realize how backwards that sounds? Any Intel Mac can run Windows natively. Hardware has nothing to do with Windows. Windows is software. Also, what Classic apps are you still using that don't have an OS X version or equivalent software? I'm not sure what you do, but I'm sure you can find other software to use that is compatible with OS X. It's time to move on man... you have to change some day.

Oh, and I forgot to say: Why do you feel the need to upgrade to Snow Leopard then anyway? If you *need* the G5 for old Classic apps, then you sure as heck can live with an older operating system right?

Do not ask me to explain the thinking of our IT people, I can't. There is now evidence surfacing of all manner of under the table events between our IT director and HP sales (the district sales manager is his neighbor and lo and behold our IT head now has a new boat). As for myself, no, I will not be upgrading to Snow Leopard even though I am sure it will be wonderful. I have my G5 set to boot from both Leopard and Tiger. I still use Tiger because, among other things, the best trip routing software I even found was a program called Highway Navigator which was never re-written for OS X. I also have to use 10.4 to use my slide scanner.

I do not blame Apple for making a business decision. I can even see the wisdom of this decison from their point of view. They just should not think, and there are no signs that they do, that people will replace their PPC machines in order to run SL unless they have a real need to do so. Many of us do not and we will still get along quite well with the excellent system software that is available to us.

 

[PhixionFilms]

haha my friend said he could get his "power pc" to work. lol

 

[pondosinatra]

Anyone else find it somewhat ironic that the PPC was 64-bit long before Intel was???

 

[Matek]

They crapped on customers by selling computers that still run great?

Your computer is suddenly unusable because it won't be able to use SL?

Seriously, you sound like a whiny brat.

Oh come on, what kind of an argument is that? You can always say that to the person that complains something is not supported anymore.

A: "I bought an AM2 board last month and now AMD is only releasing AM3 processors that won't fit in it."
B: "Don't be such a whiny brat, you can still use older CPUs that work great!"


A: "I bought a new MacBook Pro and it doesn't support my ExpressCard Wi-Fi card."
B: "Stop complaining, it still works normally in older computers."


A: "Logitech won't release Windows 7 drivers for my UberMouse."
B: "Whiner. You can still use it on Vista."

That's how "it isn't supported anymore" works. Existing software/hardware never stops working. I don't see why we should feel better and not complain about the new system not being supported, just because the old one still works. These are two quite unrelated things.

 

[Eidorian]

A: "I bought an AM2 board last month and now AMD is only releasing AM3 processors that won't fit in it."
B: "Don't be such a whiny brat, you can still use older CPUs that work great!"

Bad example.

AM3 processors are backward compatible with the AM2 and AM2+ socket. You're only limited to DDR2 and the slower HT speeds if applicable.

The others are somewhat shaky as well.

 

[Matek]

Bad example.

AM3 processors are backward compatible with the AM2 and AM2+ socket. You're only limited to DDR2 and the slower HT speeds if applicable.

The others are somewhat shaky as well.

AM3 processors are only backwards compatible with the AM2+ boards, not the AM2 I mentioned, so I should be in the clear.

Regardless of my examples - I'm sure you understand my general point - when a certain piece of hardware/software stops supporting another piece, you can always say "Hey, what you have now will still work just as well as it always did". Consequently, it's silly to point that fact out as if it makes things better than usual for people whose hardware isn't supported.

 

[Tallest Skil]

Well, check out the keynote again .
And watch & listen careful

Greetz.

Sorry, it's all Intel Macs.

Either that or the website is lying.

 

[Shoeguy]

OS or upgrade?

I've read it both ways. To install Snow Leopard you have to have Leopard installed, but that is not listed as one of the system requirements. It is important to me because I could save some money with the family pack, but my daughter's MacBook is running OS10.4.x.

 

[pdjudd]

I've read it both ways. To install Snow Leopard you have to have Leopard installed, but that is not listed as one of the system requirements. It is important to me because I could save some money with the family pack, but my daughter's MacBook is running OS10.4.x.

From Apples Website:

pgrading from Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard.

If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard, just purchase Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard when it’s available and follow the simple installation instructions.
Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger.

If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, purchase the Mac Box Set (when available), which is a single, affordable package that includes Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard; iLife ’09, with the latest versions of iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, and iDVD; and iWork ’09, Apple’s productivity suite for home and office including Pages, Numbers, and Keynote.

That's all we have. The 29 dollar cost is marketed as an upgrade for Leopard users, not for Tiger users,

 

[citi]

From Apples Website:



That's all we have.

I'm on leopard but I gotta say, that sucks balls. What if you don't need ilife? Talk about force feeding.

 

[Eidorian]

AM3 processors are only backwards compatible with the AM2+ boards, not the AM2 I mentioned, so I should be in the clear.

AM3 will work on the AM2 socket. The BIOS support might not be there though but physically and electrically it will work.

You could go as far to say that the motherboard manufactuers are lazy.

 

[Hugh]

Notebook PPC

Apple would have been better served to preserve it's options to switch back to PPC someday. While Intel has been pretty stagnated on x86 development for awhile, IBM has been moving forward with the POWER chips pretty nicely. Remember how getting past 3 GHz was one of the big selling points of the switch to Intel? How did that work out?

Actually one of the selling points wasn't just speed. It was also IBM couldn't get a G5 in a notebook.

Hugh

 

[nuckinfutz]

Actually one of the selling points wasn't just speed. It was also IBM couldn't get a G5 in a notebook.

The biggest selling point was "power per watt" Jobs had never discussed computing as in a power/watt ratio. The emphasis on 3Ghz was already gone.

 

[kikuchiyo]

I am so angry! When Snow Leopard comes out, my PPC Leopard machine will suddenly stop working!!

Oh wait, no it won't.

Seriously, the sense of entitlement from some people is amazing. You bought a machine, it's done what you want for 3 or 4 years, live with it. I had an iBook when the original announcement was made - I sold it immediately and got a Macbook (and later a Macbook Pro). Obviously PPC was on the way out - everyone on PPC is lucky they've come along for the ride this long.

You'd have my sympathy if your machines suddenly stopped working...but they won't, so either sell them, buy a new machine, or stop complaining. You're acting like Apple kicked you in the stomach - they sold you a machine you bought at what you thought was a fair price three years ago.

 

[SkyBell]

I am a little disappointed Apple has decided to drop PPC. I kind of figured they would, but I hoped against hope they wouldn't. Oh well, I guess they need to move on. Leopard isn't getting dropped any time soon hopefully, so it's not a big deal.

Now, if I see apps starting to be SL only soon after it is released, I'm going to be a little mad. At the earliest, SL only apps should appear about a year after its release. Any earlier, and I'm not a happy camper.

 

[nuckinfutz]

I am a little disappointed Apple has decided to drop PPC. I kind of figured they would, but I hoped against hope they wouldn't. Oh well, I guess they need to move on. Leopard isn't getting dropped any time soon hopefully, so it's not a big deal.

Now, if I see apps starting to be SL only soon after it is released, I'm going to be a little mad. At the earliest, SL only apps should appear about a year after its release. Any earlier, and I'm not a happy camper.

Cassie

I think you only need to worry about the few apps out there that are Leopard but still Intel only. It's likely that developers still working with PPC users will stick with Leopard for the foreseeable future

 

[kikuchiyo]

I am a little disappointed Apple has decided to drop PPC. I kind of figured they would, but I hoped against hope they wouldn't. Oh well, I guess they need to move on. Leopard isn't getting dropped any time soon hopefully, so it's not a big deal.

Now, if I see apps starting to be SL only soon after it is released, I'm going to be a little mad. At the earliest, SL only apps should appear about a year after its release. Any earlier, and I'm not a happy camper.

Why should app developers not take advantage of Snow Leopard features?
If they can make a better program, why hold them back?

EDIT: The private betas have been out for a while and and the APIs recently got frozen. Developers in ADC have had time to get their apps running or optimized for Snow Leopard. Why wouldn't they within a year?

 

[3.1416]

Apple is one of the most CASH RICH companies in the world!​

And thus they should engage in charity by doing a PPC version of Snow Leopard when they've determined it wouldn't be profitable? If they want to be philanthropic there are a few thousand more worthy causes.

So, no excuses, it's a kick in the balls to people who purchased a Mac <3 years ago as well as the people who bought INTEL Macs last month and won't have OpenCL support.

Yes, nobody should release any software that can't run on every computer ever made.

 

[Matek]

Why should app developers not take advantage of Snow Leopard features?
If they can make a better program, why hold them back?

Because they know that if they write something specific that is only supported on SL, PPC users won't be able to use it, ever, because they can't install SL.

Yes, nobody should release any software that can't run on every computer ever made.

Again - it's not that you shouldn't end support for older hardware at some point. It's just that for the sake of your customers' satisfaction that point should be when the hardware becomes incapable of running new software, not when you artificially make it obsolete.