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Mac OS X 'Snow Leopard' to Focus on Performance, Quality

Forgive me if this has been discussed already. I searched but couldn't find an answer before posting:

Will there be live coverage on MacRumorsLive.com of the after-lunch session, like there was for the keynote?
 
dizastor said:
Just wait for the subsequent versions of OSX which will continue to prefix the Leopard name...

Earth Leopard, Wind Leopard, Fire Leopard, Sand Leopard, Angry Leopard, Lazy Leopard, Liquid Leopard, Bacon Leopard... etc.
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Umm, a snow leopard is a real animal, you know . . . . .

And the name fits considering the type of upgrade and the current name.

I don't even see how this name is silly :confused:
 
bobertoq said:
Anyways, I think it's a great idea. Really, think about it. For the past 7 years, Apple has just focused on features and eye candy, features and eye candy, etc. and if they continue to do so, OS X will become sluggish, bloated, slow, and large. Just like Vista. It's time Apple does a bit of clean up so that never happens :D
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I thought "clean up" was the purpose of the 10.x.1 through 10.x.9 (or .10 or .11) releases. To me it seems hard to justify a "feature-less" major release. I think they'll have to put some new goodies in there, especially if it's not out until next June, instead of January which was the previous rumor.
 
SirOmega said:
1. How about out of the box working Active Directory support?
2. The only group with 4+ cores is Mac Pro users. Granted its a huge thing, but they're also probably going to have to buy all their software against since it'll be an upgrade to support GrandCentral.
3. Most of Apple's products don't have a "real gpu" in the context of unified shaders and the ability to do GPGPU type work. The Mac Pros have some nice cards, and even the new MBPs with the 8600 mobile are good, but thats about it. Everything else isn't worth much in terms of accelerating work like video encoding.

And most of what Apple sells (iMacs, MacBooks) have weak or integrated GPUs.
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1. Not really needed in a desktop OS IMO. If I'm an IT Admin I don't want native AD support in every client.

2. Every Nehalem processor that ships next year with hyperthreading will present twice the logical cores to the OS. So we're going to be potentially Quad Logical Cores for most Macs next year. Gotta manage that effectively

3. Skate to where the puck will be..not where its been.
 
Worst WWDC ever

Except from the news about snow Leo, the rest is utter boredom. iPhone, shmaiPhone - who cares. Apple is becoming a Sony.
Pisses me off.
:mad:
 
Oh lighten up people...

Let's look at the facts. Press release says focusing on speed/stability, not on new features. Gives some information, wow sounds real exciting... intangible performance numbers... better sign an NDA for this bad boy before we show off how much more stable it is!! NOT.

The demo is under NDA for a reason... and I bet they won't even reveal everything in this first demo...

Apple has a history of saying "we won't do this" and then doing it (think video iPod). They have a history of being very secretive. Leopard's new interface wasn't shown until a few months before release, etc.

Windows 7 is targeting late 2009 for release of its MultiTouch operating system. This is targeting June 2009-ish...

Rumors have been circulating about a multi-touch tablet, or even a multi-touch iMac...

There is no way Apple is going to let MS beat them to market with a MultiTouch OS and computer system. You can bet "Snow Leopard" will be:

- Leopard with stability/speed improvements as a focus
- Leopard with MultiTouch technology integrated throughout the entire OS
- Other than MultiTouch, doubtful there will be any new features like spaces/time machine

If Snow Leopard is NOT multi-touch, Windows 7 will be the first Multitouch OS on market... and lets be honest, what are the chances of that?

Zero.

"Snow Leopard", the world's first multitouch OS.

It will probably be a new option in system preferences to enable multi-touch if you have a multi-touch display or platform... for those sticking with normal screens, it will just be Leopard with all the speed/stability improvements... which sound pretty noteworthy and are more than welcome.
 
Personally I am pumped for Snow Leopard, I will get new Nehalem chips along with a super slick version OS X all in time for the back to school season when I need a new laptop!

Personally I am still running Tiger because I really don't have any need for new features and I rather not slow down my older computers.

It's amazing how much feature wise AND performance wise OS X has improved from 10.0 to 10.4, now I am not saying 10.5 is really that much more to throw at a CPU but I just want to get the most out of my machines and this looks to be the the OS to do it.
 
Leopard Shark

dizastor said:
Just wait for the subsequent versions of OSX which will continue to prefix the Leopard name...

Earth Leopard, Wind Leopard, Fire Leopard, Sand Leopard, Angry Leopard, Lazy Leopard, Liquid Leopard, Bacon Leopard... etc.
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People are forgetting one thing: a lot changes in a year. And with all the time they have invested in Cocoa Touch, it's not a matter of if, but when it will debut in an OS X release. However, Jobs is never one to put his foot in his mouth if he can't deliver on a promise, so it's the likely reason why he said nothing today about Touch in OS X.
 
dizastor said:
Just wait for the subsequent versions of OSX which will continue to prefix the Leopard name...

Earth Leopard, Wind Leopard, Fire Leopard, Sand Leopard, Angry Leopard, Lazy Leopard, Liquid Leopard, Bacon Leopard... etc.
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Was "Shining Star" on your iPod playlist when you were writing that one? ;)
 
SirOmega said:
1. How about out of the box working Active Directory support?
2. The only group with 4+ cores is Mac Pro users. Granted its a huge thing, but they're also probably going to have to buy all their software against since it'll be an upgrade to support GrandCentral.
3. Most of Apple's products don't have a "real gpu" in the context of unified shaders and the ability to do GPGPU type work. The Mac Pros have some nice cards, and even the new MBPs with the 8600 mobile are good, but thats about it. Everything else isn't worth much in terms of accelerating work like video encoding.

And most of what Apple sells (iMacs, MacBooks) have weak or integrated GPUs.
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AD: Would be nice.

4+ Cores are coming to a lot more machines soon. Intel's upcoming Nehalem architecture (due later this year,) will have 4 cores in 'mainstream' mobile and desktop chips; and 6 or 8 cores on the high end workstation/server. (Meaning the Mac Pro will be a 12 or 16-core system.) Plus it brings back Hyperthreading, so those 4 cores will appear as 8. (And the Mac Pro's 16 cores will appear as 32.) Only the low end chips will be 2 cores. And even those will appear to have 4 to the OS.

iMacs all have discrete graphics. Only the MacBook and MacBook Air have integrated. And regardless of the discrete graphics being "weak", they can still do some tasks better than even the upcoming Nehalem CPU. (And, all currently shipping discrete GPUs in Macs have unified shaders.) As for accelerating video encoding, I had a $50 PCI (not PCI Express) Radeon X1300 in my son's computer, and it did a very good job accelerating video encoding using ATI's provided software. It made the 3.2 GHz Pentium 4 (single-core,) nearly as fast as the CPU-only encoding on my 2.0 GHz Core Duo. (Which, for all other CPU-bound tasks, was more than three times as fast; beating out a 4.0 GHz dual-core Pentium-4-derivative on many tasks.)
 
pjrobertson said:
Good point. I hope Safari will be snappier. That's all I really want :rolleyes:

Do you think the mention of 'multi-cores' is referring to Intel Macs (as they're the only ones with multi cores.) Possible hint at optimization for Intel as opposed to PPC

EDIT: I stand corrected. The last G5s were dual core. :)
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G4's had multi-cores too. That's if they take dual-processors as being multi-cores?
 
Eric S. said:
I thought "clean up" was the purpose of the 10.x.1 through 10.x.9 (or .10 or .11) releases. To me it seems hard to justify a "feature-less" major release. I think they'll have to put some new goodies in there, especially if it's not out until next June, instead of January which was the previous rumor.
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No those are bug fixes releases. They are talking a MAJOR reworking from the ground up of 10.5.
 
People commenting on the name Snow Leopard keep touching on the cold qualities of snow, but their missing the point that snow is often used as the poetic imagery for PURITY. They want to make the code base as PURE as SNOW.
 
nuckinfutz said:
Define service pack. You shouldn't hate to say anything but rather be prepared to discuss your statement.
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A service pack (in short SP) is a collection of updates, fixes and/or enhancements to a software program delivered in the form of a single installable package. (from Wikipedia)

Apple is just meaning to fix/optimize the Leopard experience due to the quick addition of features from Tiger.
 
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