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No those are bug fixes releases. They are talking a MAJOR reworking from the ground up of 10.5.

Half of "speed and stability" sounds like "bugfixes" to me. The other half sounds like an opitimization of a few specific parts of OS code, not reworking "from the ground up." In any case, I'm sure Apple will have more than just this to offer if this release is still a year away. Heck, whatever happened to ZFS?
 
Unlike Leopard, Snow Leopard sounds like it provides some benefits actually worth paying for. More speed and stability are always good things. Exchange support is awesome and long overdue. I will not be going to Entourage's funeral. Many us in the corporate world will be syncing our iPhones with Exchange, not MobileMe.

How would you know? You don't have Leopard. Though if you can wait another year and are fine now that's cool too. I just love the Calendar read/write benefits from Calendar Store in Leopard and wouldn't want to go back to not having this feature. Though it depends on how much your life is integrated with a Calendar.
 
Unlike Leopard, Snow Leopard sounds like it provides some benefits actually worth paying for. More speed and stability are always good things.

AND, Stabilizing and speeding up the OS very well may enable new functions in the applications. I'm sure we will see new features in iLife and the pro apps that take advantage of Snow Leopard. And that's what most customers care about.
 
Windows 7 is targeting late 2009 for release of its MultiTouch operating system. This is targeting June 2009-ish...

Rumors have been circulating about a multi-touch tablet, or even a multi-touch iMac...

There is no way Apple is going to let MS beat them to market with a MultiTouch OS and computer system. You can bet "Snow Leopard" will be:

- Leopard with stability/speed improvements as a focus
- Leopard with MultiTouch technology integrated throughout the entire OS
- Other than MultiTouch, doubtful there will be any new features like spaces/time machine

If Snow Leopard is NOT multi-touch, Windows 7 will be the first Multitouch OS on market... and lets be honest, what are the chances of that?

Zero.

"Snow Leopard", the world's first multitouch OS.

It will probably be a new option in system preferences to enable multi-touch if you have a multi-touch display or platform... for those sticking with normal screens, it will just be Leopard with all the speed/stability improvements... which sound pretty noteworthy and are more than welcome.
Can we please, please stop with the propagating of these baseless rumors of Apple multitouch tablets and having it integrated in the next version of OS X. Yes, we have it in the iPhone, and yes, Windows has demonstrated it in their coffee table thing, but it is not a proven desktop or laptop technology. Besides wishful thinking, there is no reason to think they will include it as of now. Apple's stated that they are pausing on adding new features, this automatically discounts multitouch.

I don't know why people are complaining about the name either, there's nothing wrong with it, and it's completely appropriate for a stability release. It's an evolution of Leopard; Snow Leopard fits perfectly.

Some things I'm curious about:
1. Will Snow Leopard require users to have Leopard installed to upgrade? I currently run Tiger and would love to skip straight to Snow Leopard if it's possible.
2. Will 10.6 feature a change in the desktop appearance, as Leopard changed from Tiger? I'd be receptive to a change that breaks away from the flashy gloss and metal textures used in Leopard to something cleaner, fresher...maybe spotted. :p
3. Does Apple seriously plan to charge the full amount for an OS upgrade when that upgrade amounts to not much more than a service pack? I'd be willing to pay the $69 student price if it's released before I graduate next year, but I'm guessing it'll get pushed back to October (just as Leopard was). Maybe Leopard owners won't be expected to pay the full $129?
 
- ZFS
- Resolution Independent UI

Apple has never ever spoken of ZFS publicly, but others have and it is clear HFS has had its day. They also have the open source port underway.

Apple has definitely spoken of Resolution Independence. They said “2008 is when we expect to be ready”.

Interestingly there was no mention of either in the press release by Mr Serlet.
 
This indeed is a good thing. Leopard is the best operating system out there that is accessible to the regular person.

Apple's pausing the feature building, will enable them to create a much faster and better platform.

After 10.5 came out I truly feared that Mac OSX was going the way of windows. Namely adding features instead of optimization.

Not so long ago hardware needed to catch-up to software. Now it is the other way around. We have 64 bit multi-core processors, but there isn't a single piece of normal software (I know their is scientific software) that takes full advantage of the power these new chips give us.

So the further optimization of Mac OSX is truly a very good thing. They need to slim the beast down.

I for one applaud Apple for taking this step, I know that sounds like ass kissing, but we all know it needs to be done, not the ass kissing of course, Steve pays people to do that for him:D
 
I skipped Leopard. I've had no issues that would require me to upgrade, and other than Time Machine the extras don't matter to me. I'd be paying $129 for an OS that does nothing except eat up 10 GB more of hard drive space. I was planning on holding out until something forced me to upgrade (e.g., software compatibility), but now that Snow Leopard is slated for 2009, I'll wait for it.

If it's really x86 only, it would be nice if Apple stopped shipping universal binaries for every executable in the system.
 
AND, Stabilizing and speeding up the OS very well may enable new functions in the applications. I'm sure we will see new features in iLife and the pro apps that take advantage of Snow Leopard. And that's what most customers care about.

Oh please...iLife applications have always been the extra icing on the cake, not the substance. Any new Mac customer is going to be happy with their iLife applications no matter what version they are. And Pro Apps like FCP and Adobe CS3 have always been held separate, with few if any benefits from upgrades to the OS (and in the case from Tiger to Leopard, perhaps disadvantages, as far as compatibility is concerned).
 
They are really going to need to sell this with some kind of feature update or most people aren't going to buy it - how many people are going to hand over $129 for a performance update.

Shouldn't Apple be doing this anyway - it seems like an omission that Leopard isn't great and this is mearly a dare i say "Leopard Service Pack" that you have to pay for.

Not impressed at the moment.

Color me happy and impressed. I will gladly pay for and optimized OS X; that is optimized for multi-Intel processors. I look forward to the speed of it all and a snappier Safari experience. Love the name too, it does not always have to be about guts to be about glory.:apple:;)
 
- ZFS
- Resolution Independent UI

Apple has never ever spoken of ZFS publicly, but others have and it is clear HFS has had its day. They also have the open source port underway.

Apple has definitely spoken of Resolution Independence. They said “2008 is when we expect to be ready”.

Interestingly there was no mention of either in the press release by Mr Serlet.

Quiet you. These are the sorts of things that like to go into the photocopier. Please set the way back machine to before you opened your big yap.
 
What did Jobs say last year? New OS every 20-24 months?

I don't want a yearly OS. Useless. Especially now with the computers slowing in progression. Apple is fading from macs to iphones, in terms of development and upgrade. The home is tied down, now for the road.

OSX has become a hulking load of trivia since OSX 10.3, so they should get it trimmed down back to what it was originally: a basic, useful, fast OS. All the goofy little helpers should be added at the expense of the user and able to be edited out to speed up OS for those who don;t need them.
 
"Snow" Leopard

Perhaps, maybe, just perhaps, Apple chose Snow Leopard because it's the same as Leopard, but only cleaner...?

Either way, enough with the name. If only Microsoft had done something like this back with windows 98 (windows 98 SE), maybe Windows wouldn't have sucked so much.

And yes, I am a fanboy. But how can you not be once you taste the kool-aid.
 
Well, time to consider Mac after Snow Leopard comes out - if it delievers. Everything great they had in Tiger they messed up with bloat & glitter in Leopard.
 
Mistakes happen

Leopard was a let-down without a doubt. However, at least Apple is working to make a better product. I am really happy with Leopard's features so taking the time to make it actually work is fine with me. It should be discounted to current Leopard users however!
 
People are forgetting one thing: a lot changes in a year. And with all the time they have invested in Cocoa Touch, it's not a matter of if, but when it will debut in an OS X release. However, Jobs is never one to put his foot in his mouth if he can't deliver on a promise, so it's the likely reason why he said nothing today about Touch in OS X.

At least he tries not to ... Remember "3GHz in a year"?
 
piss off apple

Leopard is full of bugs. Now they want to release a new OSX which introduces very little new features but "improved performance" just to make more money. The performance is fine if it doesn't crash all the time. Stability improvements should be free upgrades to an OS because of previous f**k ups.


I skipped Leopard. I've had no issues that would require me to upgrade, and other than Time Machine the extras don't matter to me. I'd be paying $129 for an OS that does nothing except eat up 10 GB more of hard drive space. I was planning on holding out until something forced me to upgrade (e.g., software compatibility), but now that Snow Leopard is slated for 2009, I'll wait for it.

If it's really x86 only, it would be nice if Apple stopped shipping universal binaries for every executable in the system.
 
Just wait for the subsequent versions of OSX which will continue to prefix the Leopard name...

Earth Leopard, Wind Leopard, Fire Leopard, Sand Leopard, Angry Leopard, Lazy Leopard, Liquid Leopard, Bacon Leopard... etc.

...Liquid Leopard, Solid Leopard, Diamond Leopard, Ruby Leopard, Emerald Leopard... They're all fine with me.

Personally, I like the Snow Leopard name. It's awesome. I am actually still running Tiger, so everything is new to me.
 
Does quicktime x mean they are going to provide proper support for codecs like WMP does? That would be a miracle. No more unstable and featureless VLC player for MKV. OS X has NO good options for video playback, not a SINGLE good option at all. Apple needs to stop making quicktime such a half assed piece of garbage and actually put some effort into it like iTunes, I hope this "quicktime x" isnt another 1990's disaster of a program.
 
Ummm... So they are charging us for "speed and stability"? Other people call these Service Packs.

By "other people" you mean Windows? Windows calls them service packs because they are a band-aid for what ails them. Apple, on the other hand, is working out the bugs, weaknesses and flaws, then reissuing a full new CLEAN OS instead of putting band-aids on a bad system. Let Windows keep their band-aids to themselves.

Once the system has been refined, Apple will have a clean base to build in new features not already mentioned as being a part of Snow Leopard. Additionally, Apple is famous for adding much more than they let on in pre-release info.
 
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