Hmmm did you somehow channel the pricing gods and accurately ascertain the pricing of Snow Leopard or are you just looking for the rush of being outraged? Nice rant session...feel better now?
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Mac OS X 'Snow Leopard' to Focus on Performance, Quality
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Hmmm did you somehow channel the pricing gods and accurately ascertain the pricing of Snow Leopard or are you just looking for the rush of being outraged? Nice rant session...feel better now?
Zfs!!!!!!!
I love trimming the fat out of Leopard, but the major problem with speed in the system is actually they filesystem. Its almost 20 yrs old. To really optimize the system, they have got to include ZFS as a default filesystem. I would also like to see so major security updates and implementations, of which leopard was criticized for. Finally, for the love of god, truly redesign the UI. Use the black glass translucency from the iPhone (particularly from the most recent 3g release) and maybe do something with the menus to look like sony.com. A more broad tab based browsing system for the finder would be nice as well, as well as iTunes kinda like Windows Media Player, just to clear up the clutter of so many options on the left hand side.
I love trimming the fat out of Leopard, but the major problem with speed in the system is actually they filesystem. Its almost 20 yrs old. To really optimize the system, they have got to include ZFS as a default filesystem. I would also like to see so major security updates and implementations, of which leopard was criticized for. Finally, for the love of god, truly redesign the UI. Use the black glass translucency from the iPhone (particularly from the most recent 3g release) and maybe do something with the menus to look like sony.com. A more broad tab based browsing system for the finder would be nice as well, as well as iTunes kinda like Windows Media Player, just to clear up the clutter of so many options on the left hand side.
It boggles my mind that they are releasing Snow Leopard which is primarily a maintenance release.
Bug fixes, security and stability should always be patched in and seeing as how we are only on 10.5.3 we have alot of numbers left to go.
I wonder if they are simply running out of ideas to fit in an OS. I think Tiger was their shining achievement and they didn't deliver near as much with Leopard.
Or perhaps there is more than they are telling us. Rumors of dropping PPC support. They do mention improving compatibility with modern hardware and I did read an article just today that suggested Apple may indeed be moving to opening up OSX to run on PC's. Whatever the case I think something is certainly up.
Bug fixes, security and stability should always be patched in and seeing as how we are only on 10.5.3 we have alot of numbers left to go.
I wonder if they are simply running out of ideas to fit in an OS. I think Tiger was their shining achievement and they didn't deliver near as much with Leopard.
Or perhaps there is more than they are telling us. Rumors of dropping PPC support. They do mention improving compatibility with modern hardware and I did read an article just today that suggested Apple may indeed be moving to opening up OSX to run on PC's. Whatever the case I think something is certainly up.
Reading comprehension FTW! Let's read that title again:
You say Leopard is full of bugs, and most would agree with you. Hence why Apple is developing Snow Leopard, which fixes/speeds up things. I find it funny that some of you are actually complaining about this. I totally agree that they should have focused on quality/performance form the beginning, but would you rather they didn't do anything about the problems?
As far as the whole (potential) pricing thing goes, my arms are up as I have no idea what they'll do there.
Oh, and Quicktime "Pro" should be free. It's hardly worth $29.
I really like the fact that Apple is focusing on optimizing and slimming down the OS rather than keep trying to add features. Cutting down on the bloat might really help speed things up and make Safari snappier
I think it's more that all their staff are working on the iPhone
If you haven't got the staff to put in new features, you vaguely
mutter something about optimization.
I've not entirely lost hope yet. But Apple tends to oversell some
of these core technologies which often don't get used much - if
you are a cross-platform developer, for example, you won't want
to get too closely tied into Apple tech like core animation.
Other stuff they only half-finish. What happened to resolution
independence? Or ZFS anyone? If they'd put half the energy into
that that they put into the iPhone, we would have it by now.
But the announcements sound interesting, so let's not be too
cynical. It's all about delivery, and if they get it done right and
on time, I'll be pleased.
Probably more of an observance than a complaint. It's rather comical to see some buiild their strawman up and attack. No one knows the pricing of Snow Leopard or anything other than the dribble of info we have now yet here's the rage and outcry. It's kind of odd if you ask me.
archer75 said:
Yes but you can't add Quicktime X, Native Exchange support, Grand Central and OpenCL (amongst the stuff we know today) and call it 10.5.x.
Those change are too significant. Developers need a stable group of API to write to and these API can improve a bit but once you move to more substantive updates a new point release is likely needed. Otherwise you'll bifurcate Leopard into unmanagable chunks. "oh sorry you need 10.5.8 to get that proper multithreading" "Please upgrade to 10.5.9 for Quicktime X support"
Too many changes makes it hard to call the OS Leopard without some sort of delineator.
However you see it in your mind, the fact of the matter is that Microsoft gives us its "speed and stability" updates for free, while Apple is charging us.
WRONG! With Windows you get "security updates" for free. You don't get speed and stability updates at all.
No OS-level trickery is going to be able to magically add multithreading to programs, or parallelise inherently serial programs.
Whatever Apple's got planned will be for helping developers *new* write multicore-friendly applications, not trying to do the impossible with existing ones.
Completely impossible and unrealistic. Windows, for all its faults,
has a ton of enterprise features that Leopard doesn't have. If
you're talking long-term, yeah, maybe. But Apple would have to
demonstrate a degree of seriousness about business that they
have not got close to demonstrating before.
To win the Enterprise you have to match the interoperability of the current winner.
Not when you want to deal with Big Iron Server requirements and clustered environments. That raise will allow Apple to produce Hardware that competes in the Enterprise and not just the Small Enteprise markets currently seen with the XServe.
After today, where I have been doing work on getting AD & Exchange working on OSX, I can safely say the following:
In built Exchange support will be an absolute godsend. Entourage is an unwieldily behemoth which deserves to be relegated to the depths of hell. Mail is great, but the powers that be aren't too happy at us opening up the IMAP ports on the Exchange server, so we will have to wait for that.
Also Entourage still only really uses OWA to get its data from Exchange, which I think is unacceptable for a Microsoft product to do.
Active Directory, for me, works perfectly, and I will be getting all of our Mac users to use their AD logins to login on their Macs from now on.
Unfortunately at the moment some developers are bringing their own macs in, which is a bit of a security concern to me, but as I'm only a Desktop Support Engineer at the moment, my opinion doesn't count too much. Hopefully this research will change their preconceptions about both my skills and the Mac's suitability in the workplace....
In built Exchange support will be an absolute godsend. Entourage is an unwieldily behemoth which deserves to be relegated to the depths of hell. Mail is great, but the powers that be aren't too happy at us opening up the IMAP ports on the Exchange server, so we will have to wait for that.
Also Entourage still only really uses OWA to get its data from Exchange, which I think is unacceptable for a Microsoft product to do.
Active Directory, for me, works perfectly, and I will be getting all of our Mac users to use their AD logins to login on their Macs from now on.
Unfortunately at the moment some developers are bringing their own macs in, which is a bit of a security concern to me, but as I'm only a Desktop Support Engineer at the moment, my opinion doesn't count too much. Hopefully this research will change their preconceptions about both my skills and the Mac's suitability in the workplace....
Okay, dude you need to learn how to think about Apple because you're spewing stupid conclusions.
Apple DOESN'T do the whole "video will never be on iPod" with their operating systems. It's one of the divisions of their business that requires close communication with all the people who write OS X software and who don't ever go within 200 miles of Cupertino. Saying they aren't adding features is a really great way to screw with someone whose work in the meantime depended on the way a feature worked or filled a niche that was thought to have not been filled, among other many more pressing technical problems.
The fact that Windows 7 has multi-touch doesn't mean they need to beat it. Their tech demo only evidenced how laughably poor the implementation is currently (sweet, a 10-key piano with nothing else on the screen). It'd be hard to make anything slick if your OS allows a mouse AND fingers. And since they have no control over the hardware, there's no guarantee any device it goes on will really be comfortable to handle, which becomes important once you're moving crap around with your fingertips. If you're a gamer at all, this is similar to the PS3's motion sensing. It 'could' do some neat things, but in practice it's not at all pleasant to handle/control like a Wii remote - and the significance is completely thrown out when most of the software lets you just skip/disable the whole tilt-sensing control-scheme.
If you've ever looked at or used an iPhone, you'll notice there's no resemblance other than art cues to Leopard. This is because fingers don't work with what we have now: what's meant to be controlled by a cursor and keyboard; the entire design of the interface needs to be redone. Making a multi-touch OS with a MacBook or iMac-sized screen requires a completely new look, because the iPhone UI doesn't scale up without some crucial changes and the Leopard UI was just not intended for this at all.
I hope 10.6 includes the iPhone's auto-correction technology, as it works amazingly well and I'm shocked it didn't make it into Leopard.