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Preventing viruses ... virus app runs in background realtime
Telling windows that, yes, i do want to click on this link and install this program ...Last I checked you have to provide admin access to install applications on both Windows 7 and OSX.


How do you know you don't have a virus?

http://www.exploit-db.com/download_pdf/17066 -> shows how to bypass AV scanners.

Especially, given the fact that UAC is not reliable at preventing privilege escalation because of the design of the Windows registry.

http://www.exploit-db.com/bypassing-uac-with-user-privilege-under-windows-vista7-mirror/ -> outlines how to exploit win32k.sys vulnerabilities by manipulating registry values.

http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=win32k -> list of win32k.sys vulnerabilities.

And, UAC is being bypassed by malware in the wild.

http://www.eset.com/resources/white-papers/Stuxnet_Under_the_Microscope.pdf

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/16/tdl_rootkit_does_64_bit_windows/

Name one Mac malware in the wild that achieves privilege escalation via exploitation of the system?
 
So I just took a DELL XPS computers. This is what I personalized:

Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
2nd generation Intel® Core™ i7-2720QM processor 2.20 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.30 GHz (Vs. Intel core i7 2.0 GHz, etc. in basic MBP 15")
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 525M 1GB graphics with Optimus (Vs. AMD 256 MB)
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 Memory (same)
500GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive (Vs. 500 Gb 5400 rpm)
1 Year Basic Service Plan (same)
15.6 FHD B+RGLED TL (1920x1080) and Skype-Certified 2.0MP HD Webcam (Vs. 1440-900)
8X Tray Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive) (same)
Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1030 & Bluetooth 3.0 (vs. Bluetooth 2.1 EDR)
92 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery (same 9 cell, duration not specified)
Backlit Keyboard - English (same)
JBL 2.1 Speakers with Waves Maxx Audio 3 (probably similar)
DataSafe 2.0 Online Backup 2GB for 1 year (vs. nothing in MBP)
Integrated 10/100/1000 Network Card (similar if not same)

The price tag on the DELL computer is $1329. The price tag in the basic MBP is $1799. We are talking of $470 difference. You don't have aluminum casing and multitouch trackpad, but you have a similar or better processor, a way better GPU and a way better screen with full HD resolution. Just for the most prominent specs. By adding a 7200 rpm HDD and a HD screen to the MBP (GPU cannot be customized in entry level MBP), the difference raises up to $670. I don't think that aluminum casing and multitouch track pad are worth almost $700 (actually they are not because the difference between the plastic MB and the much powerful 13" aluminum MBP is not even that).
So please tell me how the MBP is cheaper than the DELL.
 
This is what you get for $1839, which is the price for the entry level 15" MBP ($39 more, actually).

Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English

2nd generation Intel® Core™ i7-2820QM processor 2.30 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.40 GHz

NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 540M 2GB graphics with Optimus

8GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 Memory

750GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive

1 Year Basic Service Plan

15.6 FHD B+RGLED TL (1920x1080) and Skype-Certified 2.0MP HD Webcam

Tray Load Blu-ray® Triple Writer (reads and writes CDs, DVDs, BDs)

Intel© Centrino© Advanced-N 6230 & Bluetooth 3.0

92 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery

Backlit Keyboard - English

JBL 2.1 Speakers with Waves Maxx Audio 3 + Creative SoundBlaster X-FI MB 1.2

DataSafe 2.0 Online Backup 2GB for 1 year

Integrated 10/100/1000 Network Card


Seriously, how is this computer worst than the MBP of the same price? It has a better processor, better GPU, twice the RAM, bigger and faster HDD and better screen resolution. Everything that matters spec-wise (which is the starting point in the conversation) is far better in this computer than in the entry level MBP.
 
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What laptop is that though?

If the prices are the same, I would always go with the MacBook Pro just because of the Operating System. Then the Touchpad would make a difference and industrial design, then Thunderbolt. There's no mention of USB 3 on that spec...

That said, I know the differences in price between Macs and PCs, I built a Hackintosh from scratch for a few reasons:

-Mac mini and iMac doesn't give enough storage for my current network infrastructure
-Mac Pro is overkill (Ram and processor type) for my needs.

iPad 2 is enough for my mobile needs, and to be honest, the best Tablet on the market right now, regardless of specs. However, if I were to buy a laptop, the only one I would go with would be MacBook Air or Pro.

Once I have moved though, installed a Gigabit switch and cat 6 network infrastructure, a NAS or a Server with lots of storage, then I would be able to consider Mac Mini or iMac.
 
People are seriously buying a computer made in 2007? The only sense that makes is if its dirt cheap, for parts, or they just want to own a Mac but cant afford a new one. After a computer is over 1.5yr for me its dated beyond reason just makes me think of a painfully slow experience when trying to run anything recently released thats main purpose is not typing a paper or browsing a webpage.

Guess you have zero experience with a Mac, or just don't know. Yes, people do buy them, and no they're not dirt cheap. Your statements of using a PC after more than a 1.5 years says it all. That's PC [the non-Mac type] talk. And you're right. Usually any DELL, or the like is junk after 1.5 years. That's what some people on this thread are saying; Go get a hopped up PC, and enjoy it if that's what you like. I've yet to have any Mac 3 - 4 years old that's operated "slow" or gotten "slower". I agree, after 5 years it will show age. Especially as newer applications appear. It's just maturation.
 
So I just took a DELL XPS computers. This is what I personalized:

Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
2nd generation Intel® Core™ i7-2720QM processor 2.20 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.30 GHz (Vs. Intel core i7 2.0 GHz, etc. in basic MBP 15")
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 525M 1GB graphics with Optimus (Vs. AMD 256 MB)
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 Memory (same)
500GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive (Vs. 500 Gb 5400 rpm)
1 Year Basic Service Plan (same)
15.6 FHD B+RGLED TL (1920x1080) and Skype-Certified 2.0MP HD Webcam (Vs. 1440-900)
8X Tray Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive) (same)
Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1030 & Bluetooth 3.0 (vs. Bluetooth 2.1 EDR)
92 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery (same 9 cell, duration not specified)
Backlit Keyboard - English (same)
JBL 2.1 Speakers with Waves Maxx Audio 3 (probably similar)
DataSafe 2.0 Online Backup 2GB for 1 year (vs. nothing in MBP)
Integrated 10/100/1000 Network Card (similar if not same)

The price tag on the DELL computer is $1329. The price tag in the basic MBP is $1799. We are talking of $470 difference. You don't have aluminum casing and multitouch trackpad, but you have a similar or better processor, a way better GPU and a way better screen with full HD resolution. Just for the most prominent specs. By adding a 7200 rpm HDD and a HD screen to the MBP (GPU cannot be customized in entry level MBP), the difference raises up to $670. I don't think that aluminum casing and multitouch track pad are worth almost $700 (actually they are not because the difference between the plastic MB and the much powerful 13" aluminum MBP is not even that).
So please tell me how the MBP is cheaper than the DELL.

Because in 1.5 - 2 years I'll still be using that MBP, and the XPS will be junk. Then another $1,329 will need to be spent to get a replacement.
 
I am myself a MBP owner, so you don't have to convince me.
There was a proposition at the beginning of this thread:
SPEC FOR SPEC, MACS ARE CHEAPER THAN PCS.
What I am trying to demonstrate here is that this proposition is absolutely false. We are not talking about resale value, durability (which I don't think is so bad), operating system or design. The proposition was SPEC for SPEC.
I would say that the difference is not as big as most PC users think it is, but there is a significant difference.
Windows 7, as of today, is as good as OSX, sorry to say. I use both of them on a regular basis on my MBP and on a two and a half years old $600 ASUS and never had a problem. There are good and bad points for both of them, but in terms of performance, they're pretty much comparable.
The computers I mentioned in the previous posts are DELL XPS 15. You can find them and customize (much more than a Mac, by the way) at www.dell.com
 
What laptop is that though?

If the prices are the same, I would always go with the MacBook Pro just because of the Operating System. Then the Touchpad would make a difference and industrial design, then Thunderbolt. There's no mention of USB 3 on that spec...

That said, I know the differences in price between Macs and PCs, I built a Hackintosh from scratch for a few reasons:

-Mac mini and iMac doesn't give enough storage for my current network infrastructure
-Mac Pro is overkill (Ram and processor type) for my needs.

iPad 2 is enough for my mobile needs, and to be honest, the best Tablet on the market right now, regardless of specs. However, if I were to buy a laptop, the only one I would go with would be MacBook Air or Pro.

Once I have moved though, installed a Gigabit switch and cat 6 network infrastructure, a NAS or a Server with lots of storage, then I would be able to consider Mac Mini or iMac.

The computer is a XPS 15 from Dell.
They have USB 3.0 if I remember properly and don't have Thunderbolt but they will when it is available to all manufacturers (I seriously doubt adding a port vastly useless so far until technology is developed, is going to even out the price difference though). The trackpad is a good point, but then again, it's not something I really miss in my PC if I use a external mouse. For sure I hate trackpads in PCs, but it's a question of time until they copy that too. Also, take into account that many PC users don't like it so much (you have to get used to it).

I love my MBP, but one has to admit that this XPS, specially the second one, is a wonderful piece of technology spec-wise and a true workhorse.
 
Er, not really. Usually when they launch with new components they're priced competitively but Apple sticks to their prices when other manufacturers have dropped theirs months down the line.
Exactly. There's an evident trend of when these "Macs are competitively priced" threads emerge precisely because of what you say. Apple has a fixed pricing structure for their products so there are times in the year where a new Mac comes out and yes, they are competitive. But just wait 6mo and suddenly all the Windows equivalent computers either drop in price (following the market) or get replaced with higher specs at the original pricepoint while the C2D Mac Mini still sits on the shelf witha $700 pricetag.

Anyway, I wont bother arguing the point because the OP obviously has an agenda. But you do deserve another quote on this one because every two years when I update then I know the feeling...
Not trolling but I refuse to perpetuate the myth that Macs are cheaper.

I know as I paid highly for mine.
 
Because in 1.5 - 2 years I'll still be using that MBP, and the XPS will be junk. Then another $1,329 will need to be spent to get a replacement.

That's nonsense. Apple computers don't last any longer than any other brand in my experience. Hell, my Dell desktop computer from 2005 is still going strong and has outlived some of my Macs.

The only reason the XPS might be junk at the end of two years is because it might have slowed down... and all the user has to do is reinstall Windows instead of buying a new computer, but a lot of people apparently don't know that.
 
Exactly. There's an evident trend of when these "Macs are competitively priced" threads emerge precisely because of what you say. Apple has a fixed pricing structure for their products so there are times in the year where a new Mac comes out and yes, they are competitive. But just wait 6mo and suddenly all the Windows equivalent computers either drop in price (following the market) or get replaced with higher specs at the original pricepoint while the C2D Mac Mini still sits on the shelf witha $700 pricetag.

Anyway, I wont bother arguing the point because the OP obviously has an agenda. But you do deserve another quote on this one because every two years when I update then I know the feeling...

I must agree that Apple's roughly annual refresh cycle for computers means that for a good part of the year there are PC's available that compete favorably or some might argue beat Apple prices. I doubt Apple will change their update cycle as they are currently making more money than ever in their history and their market cap exceeds that of their much larger (in market share) competitors.

While it might be good for us end users to get a more frequent refresh cycle out of Apple, there really isn't a credible argument we can make to get them to do it. For instance, Apple's recent MBP refreshes suddenly have the slightly older iMacs looking pretty pedestrian. I still wouldn't feel like I was ripped off if I bought an iMac right now only to see it upgraded 6 months later. For me the value doesn't come from having the very latest, very fastest machine. For me the value comes from taking a leisurely approach to computing and buying what I want when I want rather than being dragged kicking and screaming to upgrade at an inopportune time.

I think the reason these "comparison" threads keep bubbling back up is that the facts change at different points in Apple's refresh cycle. Right now, the MBP line is pretty strong. In six months, perhaps the iMac line will be strong but the MBP line might be less competitive. Also there is one thing Apple can't be expected to compete against any more than Dell or HP. It will probably always be possible to pull together some system out of parts and pieces by doing the system integration and driver search labor yourself. System integration is worth something and I don't mind paying a company like Dell, HP or preferably Apple to do it for me.

As for arguments about how long Apple stuff lasts versus other stuff, based on my experience I say Apple stuff lasts longer. This is due to better hardware and better software. I have seen old hardware given a second life by putting Linux on instead of windows but again you are spending time loading and configuring an OS. I had to waste a bit of time hunting wifi drivers when I installed Ubuntu over top of XP on my Acer netbook (which has since been replaced by an iPad 1).
 
That's nonsense. Apple computers don't last any longer than any other brand in my experience. Hell, my Dell desktop computer from 2005 is still going strong and has outlived some of my Macs.

The only reason the XPS might be junk at the end of two years is because it might have slowed down... and all the user has to do is reinstall Windows instead of buying a new computer, but a lot of people apparently don't know that.

My experience, as well as others I know, is the exact opposite. Zero issues with Mac's, yet on their 3rd or 4th DELL, HP, or Acer.

I've never had to "reinstall" OSX due to speed slowdowns either. Another reason for the premium. Again, I've had to reinstall XP, Vista, and Win 7 due to issues on many occasions. Win 7 has been far less, but not non-exsisten.

Have fun though...
 
That's nonsense. Apple computers don't last any longer than any other brand in my experience. Hell, my Dell desktop computer from 2005 is still going strong and has outlived some of my Macs.

The only reason the XPS might be junk at the end of two years is because it might have slowed down... and all the user has to do is reinstall Windows instead of buying a new computer, but a lot of people apparently don't know that.

I disagree with that somewhat.

My old iBook and old MacBook went to my sister, she gave the iBook to her friend and despite losing a key, it still works well, is a bit slow by today's standards and can't have Snow Leopard, but works. I had both for 2 years before passing them to her.

My mum's Acer laptop bought at the same time as the iBook just doesn't work anymore and its battery won't charge.

My SC440 desktop/server has lasted fine in 3 years, but I'm running Linux on there at the moment, upgraded the RAM, HDD and Graphics and it doesn't have to stand up to the rigours that a laptop does so should last longer anyway.

Even so, I just switched the inverter on a coworker's 15" iMac G4. If that was a PC with an 800MHz processor, most people would've just junked it.
 
My experience, as well as others I know, is the exact opposite. Zero issues with Mac's, yet on their 3rd or 4th DELL, HP, or Acer.

I've never had to "reinstall" OSX due to speed slowdowns either. Another reason for the premium. Again, I've had to reinstall XP, Vista, and Win 7 due to issues on many occasions. Win 7 has been far less, but not non-exsisten.

Have fun though...

I agree with you fully. Paper specs are one thing, reali world performance and longevity are quite another plus most PCs have a cheap monitor and cheap keyboard - your main output and input devices. :rolleyes:
 
Guess you have zero experience with a Mac, or just don't know. Yes, people do buy them, and no they're not dirt cheap. Your statements of using a PC after more than a 1.5 years says it all. That's PC [the non-Mac type] talk. And you're right. Usually any DELL, or the like is junk after 1.5 years. That's what some people on this thread are saying; Go get a hopped up PC, and enjoy it if that's what you like. I've yet to have any Mac 3 - 4 years old that's operated "slow" or gotten "slower". I agree, after 5 years it will show age. Especially as newer applications appear. It's just maturation.

I own one Mac(which I don't use) but the majority of my friends that do not do anything requiring higher processing power have Macs(unless they have large wallets). It's just the difference in my needs in a computer and size of wallet than I think most of the users here. My old Macbook Pro(08ish) does not cut it for my uses. I replace/upgrade my computers so often because time is very valuable to me and when I am encoding a video and still have other projects to work on I do not want a computer that I have to stop what I am doing or be careful not to put to much load on it as the encoding will not come out correct then I have to start the process over again. I really like being able to pay not much money have my computer run one or two processor intensive actions(75-80% of my i7) then still be able to finish a PP presentation without worrying about my work or having the computer slow to a crawl. My bottleneck is my hard drives but having a tough time justifying the cost for a couple dependable SSD's. When I do change computers/parts I will usually just part them out and the parts sell for usually 2/3 of what I bought them for originally but if I try to sell an entire computer they do not sell like a Mac for sure. Like I said I am probably talking to a different audience when it comes to my needs for a computer compared to the majority here.
 
I disagree with that somewhat.

My old iBook and old MacBook went to my sister, she gave the iBook to her friend and despite losing a key, it still works well, is a bit slow by today's standards and can't have Snow Leopard, but works. I had both for 2 years before passing them to her.

My mum's Acer laptop bought at the same time as the iBook just doesn't work anymore and its battery won't charge.

My SC440 desktop/server has lasted fine in 3 years, but I'm running Linux on there at the moment, upgraded the RAM, HDD and Graphics and it doesn't have to stand up to the rigours that a laptop does so should last longer anyway.

Even so, I just switched the inverter on a coworker's 15" iMac G4. If that was a PC with an 800MHz processor, most people would've just junked it.

Those are just your experiences. If we look at failure rates, Macs are pretty average when compared to PCs:

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My parents used an HP PC from 2001 everyday until last year when I built them a new one. It still worked fine but was a bit slow but that could have been fixed with a new HD and a clean install of Windows. They also have a Fujitsu Siemens laptop from around the same years which still functions well too.

Most people make the mistake that they compare their 399$ Acer to 1199$ MBP and start making conclusions that all PCs are junk. A premium PC which is priced similarly to a Mac will most likely last as long as a Mac does. In the end, Macs don't have any special hardware.
 
Those are just your experiences. If we look at failure rates, Macs are pretty average when compared to PCs:

laptop-reliability.png


My parents used an HP PC from 2001 everyday until last year when I built them a new one. It still worked fine but was a bit slow but that could have been fixed with a new HD and a clean install of Windows. They also have a Fujitsu Siemens laptop from around the same years which still functions well too.

Most people make the mistake that they compare their 399$ Acer to 1199$ MBP and start making conclusions that all PCs are junk. A premium PC which is priced similarly to a Mac will most likely last as long as a Mac does. In the end, Macs don't have any special hardware.

I think that's the case with anything, really. Cars, TV's, etc. Everyone has different experiences, good or bad. My point, based on my experiences AND opinion, that I'd rather buy 1 decent MBP, or iMac and pay a little more, and keep it for a while. If I had bad experiences with Mac, and the hardware I wouldn't feel that way. That's my point I guess; I've never had that, so from my experience the little extra $$ is worth it. It's for the whole thing. The hardware, the OS, the look, the feel...et-al. They all have Intel, or ATI, or NVIDIA, or whatever. That's moot. It's how it's all tied together for me.

I agree; too many people compare a baseline, or consumer DELL, or HP to an MBP. It's night/day. Plus, Apple isn't targeting those folks in the market. Which I guess is also my point..lol. If I compare a decent system to an MBP or iMac, the cost IS similar, so why not just get the Mac? Guess I'm too logical at times...:D
 
So I just took a DELL XPS computers. This is what I personalized:

Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
2nd generation Intel® Core™ i7-2720QM processor 2.20 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.30 GHz (Vs. Intel core i7 2.0 GHz, etc. in basic MBP 15")
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 525M 1GB graphics with Optimus (Vs. AMD 256 MB)
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 Memory (same)
500GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive (Vs. 500 Gb 5400 rpm)
1 Year Basic Service Plan (same)
15.6 FHD B+RGLED TL (1920x1080) and Skype-Certified 2.0MP HD Webcam (Vs. 1440-900)
8X Tray Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive) (same)
Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1030 & Bluetooth 3.0 (vs. Bluetooth 2.1 EDR)
92 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery (same 9 cell, duration not specified)
Backlit Keyboard - English (same)
JBL 2.1 Speakers with Waves Maxx Audio 3 (probably similar)
DataSafe 2.0 Online Backup 2GB for 1 year (vs. nothing in MBP)
Integrated 10/100/1000 Network Card (similar if not same)

The price tag on the DELL computer is $1329. The price tag in the basic MBP is $1799. We are talking of $470 difference. You don't have aluminum casing and multitouch trackpad, but you have a similar or better processor, a way better GPU and a way better screen with full HD resolution. Just for the most prominent specs. By adding a 7200 rpm HDD and a HD screen to the MBP (GPU cannot be customized in entry level MBP), the difference raises up to $670. I don't think that aluminum casing and multitouch track pad are worth almost $700 (actually they are not because the difference between the plastic MB and the much powerful 13" aluminum MBP is not even that).
So please tell me how the MBP is cheaper than the DELL.

What is the price with Windows 7 Ultimate? That is the equivalent to OS X.

Also, what is the price for a similar spec'd Dell Latitude. The Latitudes are considered in the same class as Macs.
 
Perhaps it's time to ditch my MBP

Quad core Sandy Bridge XPS 17 for $915, which is even cheaper than the C2D MacBook (!!):

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2792029

My C2D 15" MBP, which I bought in early 2010, already feels SOOO outdated (even with 8GB RAM and SSD). As of now, Windows 7 is good enough for me to make the switch back to PC (my netbook with W7 Starter is great).
 
Except the vast majority of Mac users who are not computer nerds and wouldn't have the slightest idea on how to install and make a hakintosh work properly ie proper hardware and drivers etc.



I'd beg to differ especially in the case of iMacs. Going in through the cover and lcd just to get to the components is not easy and once you get in there there is very little user replaceable parts as everything is solder together. Unlike most typical windows machines where something breaks ie graphics card you just run down to the local computer shop or best buy and buy a new one go home pop off 2 screws and toss it in. Just not possible with a iMac.

imacs are all-in-ones. that's like saying, "well you can't upgrade the graphics card on a laptop cause it's soldered to the motherboard."

although i do agree that apple needs to put out a more affordable tower, not just offer the mac pro. i think i may have mentioned that in my earlier post.

what i was commenting on, is to find a part for a mac, take it apart yourself and replace it, it is a lot easier to do than for a dell or hp. it's more of a pain just to locate the right part on the internet, not to mention putting it in.

for example, a friend of mine (with an acer) and i both bought larger HDs together and wanted to put them in together. it took me a total of five minutes to pop off the back of my macbook pro, unscrew the couple of things holding my HD into place, and stick in the new one. i had mine up and running in the amount of time it took him just to take the back off of his laptop.

as for fixing things in the imac, i've never had to. had mine since 06 and it purrs like a kitten. the only thing i've done to it is add more ram, and that was just a matter of opening up the bottom and sliding them out. that, too, took like 3 minutes.
 
What is the price with Windows 7 Ultimate? That is the equivalent to OS X.

Also, what is the price for a similar spec'd Dell Latitude. The Latitudes are considered in the same class as Macs.

right? i paid 200 bucks just for the most basic form of windows 7, and only 30 for snow leopard. what the ****?

wasn't vista like 600 dollars? it's nice that some of you can get student/teacher discounts, unfortunately not all of us have the pleasure.

the most irritating thing for me was they didn't even offer a family pack sort of deal for windows 7. i wanted to install it on two of my computers so that my girlfriend and i could play oldschool windows games together. they told me i'd have to get two copies. i was like...man **** that, 400 dollars to reminisce? i installed it on both computers anyway, and now my copy tells me it's not genuine. i don't give a crap that it takes my desktop image away and pops up with notifications telling me so every 5 minutes, because when i'm on windows i'm only ever in a fullscreen game and never see its bull.

edit: windows 7 ultimate is $320. not counting tax.

here's a comparison with dell's latitude:

first thing i noticed was it's catered to businesses. it even makes you select a type of business before proceeding to the spec sheet...

i chose the 13 inch to go with the 13 inch macbook pro:

the mbp's lowest option for a processor is the intel i5, so i chose the latitude with the i5, which immediately puts the price at $1,379. this is the savings price that dell is offering right now, otherwise the "starting price" listed above that is $2,036.

let's see what else we get on this, now that we have selected the version with the 15 core. i'm sure we all agree that windows 7 ultimate is the closest you're going to get to snow leopard, so let's select that. it gives the option to include microsoft office. let's go ahead and add that, while also adding mac's version of microsoft office. both offer the home and business edition for $200 dollars. but if you choose to get iWork instead (mac's "office" applications that can export their files to the microsoft equivalents) you spend $50.

we're gonna go ahead and skip warranty since none of us give a ****.

wow, then they offer the recovery disks for 3 bucks. at that low of a price, why not just include the damn thing by default.... (adding them by the way, seeing as all macs come with their recovery disks). ah, now we're at the "security options" page. seeing as you can't function on windows without antivirus, we're going to add that as well. never heard of "trend micro security," so let's go with norton.

they both come with 4gb ddr3-1333mhz by default, so we're leaving that alone.

alright now we're at the HDs. they don't have matching HD options, except for the option to put in solid state drives. apple's 128gig is cheaper than dell's, but its 256 ver. is more expensive than dell's. let's pick the 256gb solid state drives on both.

we're gonna skip any sort of dock stations, unnecessary.

they both have the same optical drives. mbp's battery is a 75w lithium ion, dell's can only go up to 60w lithium ion, so let's put that one (only 20 more bucks). it gives the option to select an additional battery, we're gonna skip that. should only need one. same wifi card. both come with built in webcam and mic. to add a bluetooth module to the latitude, though, is another 20 bucks. there's no option to take the bluetooth out of mac, so let's put the bluetooth in the dell. mbp comes with a sdxc card slot, so let's add the card reader to the dell. it also comes with a finger print reader (lol, i remember my vaio came with that...never used). both have backlit keyboard. skippin all this extra "HOT DEALS" and finance and accounting software (this comp's meant for business, so that's probably why it's offering). skipping carrying cases and whatnot as well. we're just looking at the computers.

this is interesting: it offers a warranty service for the batteries. but they're for if the battery wears out within 2 or 3 years, depending on the packet you choose. funnily enough, the macbook i got in 06 still has yet to need a battery change. so while dell is expecting you to need to buy a battery within 2-3 years, mac doesn't need another.

also skipping all these external monitors. wow, i know, the options never end. i'm sure i'll find the end of it soon.

it offers a recyclable option toward the end here, i don't know why you would have to pay to make your computer recyclable, but since one of mac's commercial-boasts is about being able to recycle their computers, we're going to lob that on as well. (28 bucks).

congratulations! you have finished personalizing!

end price:

dell latitude: $2,375
without sale: $3,032

13inch macbook pro: $1,898

because the price difference is already so steep, i'm not going to bother looking for available windows applications that could equate to what comes in ilife free when you buy a new mac.

throw some more cheap computers at me to compare specs/prices. i'll see what i can find. i'm sure we'll eventually find one that comes out cheaper than a mac.
 
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Quad core Sandy Bridge XPS 17 for $915, which is even cheaper than the C2D MacBook (!!):

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2792029

My C2D 15" MBP, which I bought in early 2010, already feels SOOO outdated (even with 8GB RAM and SSD). As of now, Windows 7 is good enough for me to make the switch back to PC (my netbook with W7 Starter is great).

how the hell does a 2010 mbp with 8gigs of ram feel outdated? what the hell are you doing on your computer? my gf is on a 2006 imac with like 3 gigs of ram rocking sc2 like nobody's business. what are you doing? running 5 games at once and screen recorder in the background?

even i only have a 2008 mbp with 4gigs and i still haven't found a game for it that i can't run. course most of the games i like to play are only on consoles. dead space ftw.
 
What is the price with Windows 7 Ultimate? That is the equivalent to OS X.

Also, what is the price for a similar spec'd Dell Latitude. The Latitudes are considered in the same class as Macs.

It's about $100 more, but I don't think there's a huge difference anyway. I have tried both versions of W7 and for regular use they're hardly the same. Even including the price of a better version, it's still cheaper.
I don't care about the names, but XPS are supposed to be high performance laptops.
 
right? i paid 200 bucks just for the most basic form of windows 7, and only 30 for snow leopard. what the ****?

wasn't vista like 600 dollars? it's nice that some of you can get student/teacher discounts, unfortunately not all of us have the pleasure.

the most irritating thing for me was they didn't even offer a family pack sort of deal for windows 7. i wanted to install it on two of my computers so that my girlfriend and i could play oldschool windows games together. they told me i'd have to get two copies. i was like...man **** that, 400 dollars to reminisce? i installed it on both computers anyway, and now my copy tells me it's not genuine. i don't give a crap that it takes my desktop image away and pops up with notifications telling me so every 5 minutes, because when i'm on windows i'm only ever in a fullscreen game and never see its bull.

edit: windows 7 ultimate is $320. not counting tax.

here's a comparison with dell's latitude:

first thing i noticed was it's catered to businesses. it even makes you select a type of business before proceeding to the spec sheet...

i chose the 13 inch to go with the 13 inch macbook pro:

the mbp's lowest option for a processor is the intel i5, so i chose the latitude with the i5, which immediately puts the price at $1,379. this is the savings price that dell is offering right now, otherwise the "starting price" listed above that is $2,036.

let's see what else we get on this, now that we have selected the version with the 15 core. i'm sure we all agree that windows 7 ultimate is the closest you're going to get to snow leopard, so let's select that. it gives the option to include microsoft office. let's go ahead and add that, while also adding mac's version of microsoft office. both offer the home and business edition for $200 dollars. but if you choose to get iWork instead (mac's "office" applications that can export their files to the microsoft equivalents) you spend $50.

we're gonna go ahead and skip warranty since none of us give a ****.

wow, then they offer the recovery disks for 3 bucks. at that low of a price, why not just include the damn thing by default.... (adding them by the way, seeing as all macs come with their recovery disks). ah, now we're at the "security options" page. seeing as you can't function on windows without antivirus, we're going to add that as well. never heard of "trend micro security," so let's go with norton.

they both come with 4gb ddr3-1333mhz by default, so we're leaving that alone.

alright now we're at the HDs. they don't have matching HD options, except for the option to put in solid state drives. apple's 128gig is cheaper than dell's, but its 256 ver. is more expensive than dell's. let's pick the 256gb solid state drives on both.

we're gonna skip any sort of dock stations, unnecessary.

they both have the same optical drives. mbp's battery is a 75w lithium ion, dell's can only go up to 60w lithium ion, so let's put that one (only 20 more bucks). it gives the option to select an additional battery, we're gonna skip that. should only need one. same wifi card. both come with built in webcam and mic. to add a bluetooth module to the latitude, though, is another 20 bucks. there's no option to take the bluetooth out of mac, so let's put the bluetooth in the dell. mbp comes with a sdxc card slot, so let's add the card reader to the dell. it also comes with a finger print reader (lol, i remember my vaio came with that...never used). both have backlit keyboard. skippin all this extra "HOT DEALS" and finance and accounting software (this comp's meant for business, so that's probably why it's offering). skipping carrying cases and whatnot as well. we're just looking at the computers.

this is interesting: it offers a warranty service for the batteries. but they're for if the battery wears out within 2 or 3 years, depending on the packet you choose. funnily enough, the macbook i got in 06 still has yet to need a battery change. so while dell is expecting you to need to buy a battery within 2-3 years, mac doesn't need another.

also skipping all these external monitors. wow, i know, the options never end. i'm sure i'll find the end of it soon.

it offers a recyclable option toward the end here, i don't know why you would have to pay to make your computer recyclable, but since one of mac's commercial-boasts is about being able to recycle their computers, we're going to lob that on as well. (28 bucks).

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end price:

dell latitude: $2,375
without sale: $3,032

13inch macbook pro: $1,898

because the price difference is already so steep, i'm not going to bother looking for available windows applications that could equate to what comes in ilife free when you buy a new mac.

throw some more cheap computers at me to compare specs/prices. i'll see what i can find. i'm sure we'll eventually find one that comes out cheaper than a mac.

Have you seen the ones I listed above????.
I am comparing 15" computers that, spec for spec, are either similar or much better in the case of the DELL. Plus, the full price of W7 is not what you pay because a version of it is already included in the price. You pay for the upgrade which is not so expensive.
Plus MacOS is $129. The reduced price tag in Snow Leopard is due to the fact that did not offer significant new functionalities to Leopard and it was more of an update than a new OS. Lion will be $129 as Leopard, Tiger, etc. were back when they were released.
 
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