Mac Pro 2013 Gaming?

pscl

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Happy New Year!!

i cant find any information how the entry mac pro performs on gameing or what benefit the gfx-card upgrade brings?!

i know... Buying a Gaming-Mac for more than 3000 bugs is insane compared to the priceing of an gaming-PC buy anyway... im just interested how the mac pro 2013 performs and what boost we can expect from an gfx upgrade (D500, D700).

i know... today just a few applications take advantage of the dual fire pro gfx cards.

Im looking forward to your estimates...

greets
 

Einz

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The D500 is about same as the Nvidia GTX660, if you need a reference.

I wouldn't buy the nMP just for games.
 

pscl

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Do you have any Source of that? Benchmarks?

2014 i will buy a new imac or mp... After ifixits teardown i Love the possibility of updateing Hardware on the new mp.

The gfx power i only Need for Gaming...

To buy a PC just for Gaming is Not an Option.
 

Einz

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Do you have any Source of that? Benchmarks?

2014 i will buy a new imac or mp... After ifixits teardown i Love the possibility of updateing Hardware on the new mp.

The gfx power i only Need for Gaming...

To buy a PC just for Gaming is Not an Option.
I had a GTX 660 in my 3.1 MP and the frame rate is about the same as the D500 when I play D3. I ran the Heaven BM, the D500 is a tad faster.
 

pscl

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Are we Talking about 1 d500 or two in that comparison?
 

pscl

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I mean the comparison betweet 660 and d500... Was this a Single d500?

Otherwise this means two d500 are on the Performance Level of one 660?!
 

Quash

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Not much information about the d300s out yet. Anyone gaming with the base model?
 

pscl

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Not much information about the d300s out yet. Anyone gaming with the base model?
My question too... Especially in comparison to the maxed out imac!!!

I think atm the maxed out imac should have more Gaming Power...
 

wildmac

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I mean the comparison betweet 660 and d500... Was this a Single d500?

Otherwise this means two d500 are on the Performance Level of one 660?!

For gaming, the nMP is basically using one GPU.
 

antonis

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My question too... Especially in comparison to the maxed out imac!!!

I think atm the maxed out imac should have more Gaming Power...
Yes, for gaming on OS X side (where only 1 GPU is used anyway on nMP) the iMac with the 780M performs better.
 

jav6454

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Happy New Year!!

i cant find any information how the entry mac pro performs on gameing or what benefit the gfx-card upgrade brings?!

i know... Buying a Gaming-Mac for more than 3000 bugs is insane compared to the priceing of an gaming-PC buy anyway... im just interested how the mac pro 2013 performs and what boost we can expect from an gfx upgrade (D500, D700).

i know... today just a few applications take advantage of the dual fire pro gfx cards.

Im looking forward to your estimates...

greets
Buying a new Mac Pro for gaming is beyond idiotic. The GPUs found in the Mac Pro aren't focused or even oriented for gaming. They are for heavy number crunching and other sort of animation.

Besides, like many have said, you can buy/build a even better Gaming computer by using simple consumer oriented parts found in regular PCs.
 

Radiating

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Buying a new Mac Pro for gaming is beyond idiotic. The GPUs found in the Mac Pro aren't focused or even oriented for gaming. They are for heavy number crunching and other sort of animation.

Besides, like many have said, you can buy/build a even better Gaming computer by using simple consumer oriented parts found in regular PCs.
You have no idea what you're talking about at all. The Mac Pro's professional orientation has almost no effect on it's gaming performance. We're talking about a computer which in D700 configuration is noticeably faster than a Geforce Titan. Just because the Mac Pro wasn't built for gaming doesn't mean it's not the best mass produced gaming computer on the face of the planet.

Just like Apollo 10 was the fastest vehicle in human history, yet it wasn't built for speed. They could have gone much faster if they ditched the lander and all the scientific equipment for more fuel.

The highest performance things on the planet are often not optimized for what they happen to excel at.

The new Mac Pro is the most cost effective, high end gaming rig on the planet, and has insane performance.

Happy New Year!!

i cant find any information how the entry mac pro performs on gameing or what benefit the gfx-card upgrade brings?!

i know... Buying a Gaming-Mac for more than 3000 bugs is insane compared to the priceing of an gaming-PC buy anyway... im just interested how the mac pro 2013 performs and what boost we can expect from an gfx upgrade (D500, D700).

i know... today just a few applications take advantage of the dual fire pro gfx cards.

Im looking forward to your estimates...

greets
The D700 setup faster than any single card solution available on the planet. Meaning it's faster than a Geforce Titan. It can play any game at any resolution on any settings in windows bootcamp, but there are some driver issues with games from smaller studios like with Metro Last Light that will need to be patched, but with Battlefield 4 and Bioshock it's amazing.

The Mac Pro is also incredibly cheap, it costs nearly the same as building a DIY PC, and the resale value will be much better in the long run.

So if you bought Dell Area x51 for example with the 760 TI, 256GB SSD and 16GB of memory, you'd pay $2000. You'd be able to sell it for $800 1.5 years later. For a loss of $1200. You'd be looking at the same loss with a DIY PC.

On the other hand if you bought a Mac Pro with the D700 GPU for $4,000, you'd be able to sell it for $2800 in 1.5 years, but you'd have TWICE the performance for the same price.

The Mac Pro is basically the best and least expensive to own high end gaming PC available.
 
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Radiating

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My question too... Especially in comparison to the maxed out imac!!!

I think atm the maxed out imac should have more Gaming Power...
A single MacPro GPU will be slightly faster than the iMac 680MX/780MX (same card).

In bootcamp you can use both GPU's for gaming. Which means it will be twice as fast as the iMac. Although it's worth mentioning can overclock the iMac in bootcamp to be slightly faster than a single D700, so in bootcamp a Mac Pro will be a around 80% faster than a top of the line overclocked iMac.
 

Radiating

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What are you smoking? Have you read any of the reviews?

Trust me, I WANT the nMP to be good at gaming, but nothing sofar has indicated what you are saying... at all.

All the results here.. http://anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013/10
That review compared the dual D700 to a 780ti, which it matched with completely unoptimized generic drivers. The 780ti is an $800 video card that is basically a GeForce Titan.

So you're telling me that computer with GeForce Titan performance on poorly optimized drivers is not incredible?
 

wildmac

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That review compared the dual D700 to a 780ti, which it matched with completely unoptimized generic drivers. The 780ti is an $800 video card that is basically a GeForce Titan.

So you're telling me that computer with GeForce Titan performance on poorly optimized drivers is not incredible?
Show me the benchmarks....

(Someone please send Barefeats some hardware to test... because the Anandtech review is certainly lacking in many areas).
 

pscl

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I Hope there are some Gaming vids of the mp on Youtube soon...

My iMac setup costs about 2600€

So if the mp will be much faster then the maxed imac would be nice.

My Focus will be the d500 benchmarks. D700 iadditional pricing is just ridiculous.

I really want to See some benchmarks and Gaming vids
 

antonis

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A single MacPro GPU will be slightly faster than the iMac 680MX/780MX (same card).
nMP is far away from being the best gaming machine out there. It is actually a very mediocre machine for gaming, and it would really be idiotic if anyone get this for gaming as main role. D300 and D500 cards (as single cards) are slower than iMac's 780M. D700 (although not cleared yet) seems roughly to be on-par with it.

Now, with Crossfire (which works only on Windows side) it is of course faster, but again any top-of-the-line dual GPUs run circles around it. In other words, a single D500 is equivalent to the old nVidia GTX 660. That's not good.

I'd choose the top iMac model anyway for gaming, over nMP. Especially for gaming on OS X side. Paying the double price for the same results is not smart.
 

iBug2

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So you're telling me that computer with GeForce Titan performance on poorly optimized drivers is not incredible?
I don't think the drivers are poorly optimised. They are AMD Firepro drivers on Windows. The performance is exactly where you expect it to be, which is below Dual R9 280X, since D700 is a downclocked 280X.

And yes, on the Nvidia side that turns out to be equivalent to a Titan or 780Ti.

I think this is a terrific deal. For 1300$ or so you are getting a dual Firepro setup, which can also game as well as a 750$ costing Titan.

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I'd choose the top iMac model anyway for gaming, over nMP. Especially for gaming on OS X side. Paying the double price for the same results is not smart.
D700 on the OS X side will be 20%ish faster than iMac's 780M and that's with the terrible AMD drivers we have on OS X right now. They will become better in the future. The Nvidia drivers are fine though.
 

Mac Moof

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I think if (and thats a big if) Apple work on Crossfire drivers for Mac OS X then yes this machine can also be used as a good gaming machine.

But buying purely for gaming at the moment is probably not ideal. in fact i am sure that you could get an old Mac Pro and chuck a flashed GPU in there for half the price.

Don't get me wrong I love gaming on the Mac and i would like to see more and more PC games ported (or written from scratch) for Macs. But I think Apple will have to do some work on system wide Crossfire support before i would recommend a New Mac Pro for gaming.
 

pscl

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nMP is far away from being the best gaming machine out there. It is actually a very mediocre machine for gaming, and it would really be idiotic if anyone get this for gaming as main role. D300 and D500 cards (as single cards) are slower than iMac's 780M. D700 (although not cleared yet) seems roughly to be on-par with it.

Now, with Crossfire (which works only on Windows side) it is of course faster, but again any top-of-the-line dual GPUs run circles around it. In other words, a single D500 is equivalent to the old nVidia GTX 660. That's not good.

I'd choose the top iMac model anyway for gaming, over nMP. Especially for gaming on OS X side. Paying the double price for the same results is not smart.
i will only play on bootcamp. the question is how apples bootcamp drivers work. on my rmbp late 2013 i got serious problems installing the recent drivers for the 750m.

just for the record: when i said i want to do serious gaming, i ment under bootcamp! there are not many recent games on osx side (like bf4, ghosts etc.).

so... if i get u al right.... under win8 the mp (dual D500) is much faster than an imac with 780m?

this would be nice. and the possibiliy of updating the cpu and gpu after a few years is just awesome.
so investing 3500e for an powerhouse mac pro that can play all games under win8 in native resolution and with ultra settings, and that is worth half of its price after 3 or 4 years sounds like a really good investment (looking at the current priceing of used mp`s on ebay). but again... first i want to see some performance benchmarks (gaming) and videos... im wondering that theres no video out yet. i guess game-focussed customers cant afford this :(
 
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