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macenforcer said:
Oh snap. Wife just stopped at the apple store on her way home from work and got me a 30" Cinema Display to go with my Mac Pro. God I love her. Hooking up on my PC now. MAN!
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Man you are so lucky to have such a thoughtful loving woman. 🙂
 
macenforcer said:
That makes no sense. It is the SAME exact memory.
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macenforcer,
Well, after all that fuss last night about the Mac Pro Crucial P/N for the 2x1gb Kit being CT576475, I received my shipping notice and invoice and they are shipping me CT2KIT12872AF667.

So as you said, "It is the SAME exact memory".😀

Of course, we'll see what shows up in the box...
 
Multimedia said:
Moreover the Dell Monitors have video inputs as well as analog VGA inputs so I can view two computers on the same monitor by switching the Dell input from DVI to VGA.
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I like all of the inputs on the Dell also and the 24" is on sale at Dell for $747.15 at the moment. I'd buy another 24" to replace my 20" palete monitor, but I don't have the desk space. On the 20", I have a PMG5 secondary on the DVI and a mini on the vga.
My Mac Pro arrives Thursday to replace the PMG5! 😀 😀 😀
 
artpease said:
macenforcer,
Well, after all that fuss last night about the Mac Pro Crucial P/N for the 2x1gb Kit being CT576475, I received my shipping notice and invoice and they are shipping me CT2KIT12872AF667.

So as you said, "It is the SAME exact memory".😀

Of course, we'll see what shows up in the box...
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Yes. Confirmed that this morning with crucial. Also confirmed it has a heat spreader but not like the one apple is using so I orded some ram heatsinks. Should be good to go.
 
Here's A Link To The Dell 24" $747.15 Sale Page

artpease said:
I like all of the inputs on the Dell also and the 24" is on sale at Dell for $747.15 at the moment. I'd buy another 24" to replace my 20" palete monitor, but I don't have the desk space. On the 20", I have a PMG5 secondary on the DVI and a mini on the vga.
My Mac Pro arrives Thursday to replace the PMG5! 😀 😀 😀
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Here's a link to that sale page. I might buy one. Oops they're dopping the ball on their 30". Priced at $2199, the Apple is now only $1799 on the refurb page. So Apple wins the 30 price war for now. But I did see a guy on EBay selling those 30's for a lot less. He buys them in bulk from Dell wholesale. Can't remember the price right now. But looking closer at the spcs Apple has Dell beat on the 30" because the Dell has no FW hub while Apple has both FW and USB hubs in theirs. VGA is not a factor on the 30's nor is video. So have to vote for Apple on the 30". Wish I had that money to burn. 😉 Don't.

I'm gonna keep my Quad G5 even if I buy the Mac Pro. I need all the cores I can get.

But the selling point for me isn't speed as much as it is the capacity for 6 SATA Drives inside. That is killer. Opticals are OPTIONAL.
 
Alenate said:
Will the next round of MacPro's have the Kentfield or Clovertown chip? I can't seem to get a straight answer on this.

Also, why would it be worth the wait? Are these chips expected to be cheaper?

Just curious.

Thanks.
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Since Steve Jobs does not work at MacRumors, we don't know! 🙂

Since the processor in MacPro is in a socket, you can change it. It may require a firmware, but you can change it.

So, is Clowertonw pin compatible?
If it is. Buy a 2ghz system today and put in a Clowertown chip in 8 month.

I will not ask what you want to do with 8 processors.

I had huge problems with dual G5, that they were to slow for me. Just remember that I/O is really a system killer.

Anyone who buys a 4x3ghz system, and uses a stock 160/250 gig harddrive...
WHY?

I have over 1000 I/0s per sec. (and I use 5gig memory)
 
Dual Clovertown Mac Pros This Winter

Alenate said:
Will the next round of MacPro's have the Kentfield or Clovertown chip? I can't seem to get a straight answer on this.

Also, why would it be worth the wait? Are these chips expected to be cheaper?
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shompa said:
Since the processor in MacPro is in a socket, you can change it. It may require a firmware, but you can change it.

So, is Clowertown pin compatible?
If it is. Buy a 2ghz system today and put in a Clowertown chip in 8 month.

I will not ask what you want to do with 8 processors.

I had huge problems with dual G5, that they were to slow for me. Just remember that I/O is really a system killer.

Anyone who buys a 4x3ghz system, and uses a stock 160/250 gig harddrive...
WHY?

I have over 1000 I/0s per sec. (and I use 5gig memory)
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It will be Clovertown. But I don't see the point of wanting to change out processors when you can simply wait for the Clovertown 8 Core Mac Pro all optimized and bug fixed for that processor to ship this Winter shortly after or during the SF MacWorld Expo '07. What else is Steve gonna talk about in his January 9 SteveNote? 😛

I am going to try and hold out for Dual Clovertown with Leopard on board. But I may not make it all the way til Spring. Gotta have more cores that's for sure. The G5 and Mac Pro Quads are good. But not really good enough for heavy video transcoding work. And even 8 cores won't be enough for me. 😱

FYI Kentsfield - not Kentfield -are only Quad Core for Single Conroe socketed motherboards. iMacs may get Kentsfield if they re-design them to handle more heat. iMacs are due for a re-design IMO.
 
artpease said:
macenforcer,
Well, after all that fuss last night about the Mac Pro Crucial P/N for the 2x1gb Kit being CT576475, I received my shipping notice and invoice and they are shipping me CT2KIT12872AF667.

So as you said, "It is the SAME exact memory".😀

Of course, we'll see what shows up in the box...
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Congratulations artpease, you are the first I have heard with a shipping notice.
 
Anyone suggest a good supplier of memory in the UK (or Europe) for a Mac Pro?

I know about Crucial, but would rather not buy from there if I can avoid it. They have some dodgy pricing thing going on with their website.
 
could the model gap be set for a media center mac?

It seems that a real media center style mac could nicely fit in between the mini and the pro. It then could offer upgrades graphic cards and price points in the middle of the two lines. The consumer lines and updates are never shown at WWDC they would be at there own event.
 
Video cards

Maybe this is a stupid question, but are the days of needing a "Mac" video card over now, with the Intel transition? Or, do the manufacturers still need a Mac ROM to be compatible with the new Mac Pro? In other words, can I stick any PCI-e-compatible video card into a Mac Pro?
 
shompa said:
So, is Clowertonw pin compatible?
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I believe it is supposed to be, I'm sure after IDF we will know more. AMD is saying theirs is, I can't see Intel not doing it.
 
MauiBoy said:
Maybe this is a stupid question, but are the days of needing a "Mac" video card over now, with the Intel transition? Or, do the manufacturers still need a Mac ROM to be compatible with the new Mac Pro? In other words, can I stick any PCI-e-compatible video card into a Mac Pro?
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Architechture was never the issue, Device drivers are.

Unless Apple opens up the device driver model to let the vendors make their own, i doubt it. Plus I don't want to have to update video drivers every few weeks like you do on a PC if you play any games. It seems like every time I get a new game on my sony it needs a new level of the video driver to work.
 
Trekkie said:
Architechture was never the issue, Device drivers are.

Unless Apple opens up the device driver model to let the vendors make their own, i doubt it. Plus I don't want to have to update video drivers every few weeks like you do on a PC if you play any games. It seems like every time I get a new game on my sony it needs a new level of the video driver to work.
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I see. So, for example, I could get a generic (say, Abit or Gigabyte) ATI X1900 and stick in there? Or, a generic nVidia 7300GT? Just as long as the model numbers match what is "officially supported" by Apple. Just curious, as it seems like the Apple-branded models are always underclocked.
 
artpease said:
My Mac Pro arrives Thursday to replace the PMG5! 😀 😀 😀
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WOW, so much for Thursday, 49 hours and 16 minutes after order it came through the door. (ground shipping yet, Elk Grove to Seattle) Double 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
 
MauiBoy said:
I see. So, for example, I could get a generic (say, Abit or Gigabyte) ATI X1900 and stick in there? Or, a generic nVidia 7300GT? Just as long as the model numbers match what is "officially supported" by Apple. Just curious, as it seems like the Apple-branded models are always underclocked.
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That and the adapter you put in must recognize EFI instead of BIOS
 
artpease said:
WOW, so much for Thursday, 49 hours and 16 minutes after order it came through the door. (ground shipping yet, Elk Grove to Seattle) Double 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
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That was fast! I wonder if I can just drive over and pick mine up since I only live a half hour from Elk Grove? Does anyone know if all the Macpros, including the BTO, come from the Sacramento area? I thought Apple did most of the fabrication in China, or is that just the consumer products?
 
THX1139 said:
That was fast! I wonder if I can just drive over and pick mine up since I only live a half hour from Elk Grove? Does anyone know if all the Macpros, including the BTO, come from the Sacramento area? I thought Apple did most of the fabrication in China, or is that just the consumer products?
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I picked mine up at my apple store yesterday, and they didn't have any BTO options available. Heck, they just got the Mac Pro in that day. (It was overnighted from the factory)

I haven't done a whole lot with it, but I have already noticed it being so much faster than any other Mac I have used / owned. Word loads super fast 🙂 I am looking to buy memory, and would rather not buy the apple ram just due to the price increase.

Kimo
 
New Power Mac

It's finally here...

Pros

1. Same case as old one (nice visually)
2. Quad processors across the line
3. 4 hard drives vs 2
4. 2 optical drives vs 1
5. a couple more I/O ports

Cons

1. Any dimwit knows the last 3 items should have been in the G5 design years ago
2. The Xeon CPU's are designed for servers not workstations - marginal performance improvement for way more $$$
3. Windows graphics cards won't work in it even though it is an Intel M/B - tell me that is not a deliberate abuse to OSX supporters.
4. They want you to pay $2,500 for a computer with a $50 graphics card?
5. Your choice of graphics cards are the $50 one or a $500 one or a $1,500 one. There are zillions of great cards between $50 and $500 available to PC users.
6. They increased the base price from $2,000 to $2,500. The whole rest of the world has dramatically reduced prices in the same time frame.
7. The only other choice in the product line is a laptop that you have to bolt to a desk (iMac) or a toy (Mac Mini) - complete void in the product line for the average power user. Neither of these other slugs is expandable.
8. Only has PCI-Express slots - not sure if regular PCI cards will work, I have some expensive PCI cards that do video conversion,SCSI etc.

The new Power Mac is probably great for people that render videos for a living on tight deadlines. Not sure who else it is intended for, it is way over priced for any other application.

And finally, on the posted tests to date, it only does Photoshop (under Rosetta) at the same speed as the old dual G5. i guess that there is some hope when PS is universal though. I can build an AMD Dual CPU PC that will kill this thing in Photoshop for about $500. Hell, I can build 5 of them for the price of the base unit Mac Pro.

My conclusion, Apple is out to lunch, I would feel really stupid buying one of these. They have no computer for the average power user.
 
The new Power Mac is probably great for people that render videos for a living on tight deadlines.
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Yup, that'd be me. When you buy a Mac, your getting a system built for you with generally high-end components at a standard that I've not seen by any PC manufacturer (or myself, when building a PC) adhere to.

Not satisfied? Buy Applecare.
 
kbonnel said:
FYI

Called Kingston to see if a specific memory module worked, and they indicated they do have a specific MacPro kit avaialbe (1Gig and 2Gig). The part numbers are:

KTA-MP667K2/1G KTA-MP667K2/2G

(The MP = Mac Pro)

Just thought you all would like to know.

NOTE: So far I only find one place that carry's them:
http://www.neutronexpress.com/prod....O_DESKTOP_APPLE_XSERVE_XEON_LIFETIME_WARRANTY

Kimo
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For my fellow Canucks, this ram also seems to be available north of the border (US pricing though) a F.Y.I.

[URL="http://www.neutroncanada.com/prod.cfm/467490/KINGSTON/KTA-MP667K2/1G"]

Thanks to kbonnel for the original link!
 
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