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Shelterpaw • Help Us Please • We Need Details Of Which RAM Heatsink To Buy

shelterpaw said:
Newegg and a slew of otheres have RAM heatsinks for sale. Some look just like Apple's heatsinks.

RAM Cooling Heatsinks For Sale at CaseCooler.com

You can also get passive heatsinks for your video card. I put one on video card in my PC. It's tricky and not for the faint at heart, if you screw up, you're screwed. But it helps keep the noise down and the card cool. :cool:
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So which one should we buy? Give us a recommendation since you are the expert. I have no idea which one looks just like Apple's. Please help us know what to do.

I really hate NOISE. The G5 Quad is DEAD SILENT. I mean like my Cubes. Like BLOWS YOUR MIND SILENT. :eek: I FEAR :eek: more noise like the Pre-Quad G5s made. They were GOD AWFUL Noisy. :eek: This is a very big deal to me.

BTW does anyone know if the base GeForce 7300 GT video card is heatsink only or does it have a fan on it?
 
Multimedia said:
So which one should we buy? Give us a recommendation since you are the expert. I have no idea which one looks just like Apple's. Please help us know what to do.

I really hate NOISE. The G5 Quad is DEAD SILENT. I mean like my Cubes. Like BLOWS YOUR MIND SILENT. :eek: I FEAR :eek: more noise like the Pre-Quad G5s made. They were GOD AWFUL Noisy. :eek: This is a very big deal to me.

BTW does anyone know if the base GeForce 7300 GT video card is heatsink only or does it have a fan on it?
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I'm not an expert on it, and made no such claims, but I have used various passive heatsinks on my PC. I have no experience with the DDR2 modules. However, I think if you want to get the most bang for you buck, go with copper heatsinks.

Google search for reviews on various products. You'll find what you're looking for. You may also want to contact the manufacturer of the RAM you're buying and see what they recommend.
 
Multimedia said:
So which one should we buy? Give us a recommendation since you are the expert. I have no idea which one looks just like Apple's. Please help us know what to do.

I really hate NOISE. The G5 Quad is DEAD SILENT. I mean like my Cubes. Like BLOWS YOUR MIND SILENT. :eek: I FEAR :eek: more noise like the Pre-Quad G5s made. They were GOD AWFUL Noisy. :eek: This is a very big deal to me.

BTW does anyone know if the base GeForce 7300 GT video card is heatsink only or does it have a fan on it?
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Pay attention. This link has been posted already. Here is is again.


Buy This
 
shelterpaw said:
About once a month Fry's sells the Seagate SATA II 3.0 300GB drives for $99.00. August 4th they had 400GB SATA 300 drive for $139.99. Right now they have a 10GB Ultra DMA 100 drive for $14.99, don't everyone run over there at once. :p You can go here to see their newspaper adv: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?adid=3334374&advid=32664&type=
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It's true, I have been buying them. The ultra ATA goes for $89 and you buy a RAID case(OWC $129) put 2 drives and get a 600gb RAID for less than $300. It seems a good deal to me.
There are cheaper cases out there too
 
Multimedia said:
Greenjeens' 7 Year Itch

Going from a 400MHz G4 - That is the original 1999 G4, I think, to the base 2.66 Quad Mac Pro is going to freaking blow your mind. Base Minus the 250 to 160 perhaps plus Bluetooth is going to be the way to go IM not so HO.

Remember, you are going to have to pay $688 for FOUR 1GB RAM Sticks. Or at least $344 for two. And 250-SATA/300 HDs cost around $60-$70 now. So dumbing down the base HD is like getting a 160 GB drive FREE.

Hope you are able to screw up the courage to pull the trigger sooner than later. You are definitely running on extremely slow borrowed time - lots of borrowed time that you will be able to save as soon as you take the plunge to Mac Pro. :eek: :)
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I've got you ALL beat! My parents are STILL using their Beige G3/333 from October '98!!! They expect a computer to last them AT LEAST 7 years... So sad... And now they don't want to spend more than $2000 on a system... I try and try to explain to them they need to spring twice that for a Mac that will last 7 years, but they won't listen!

Actually, if it weren't for OS9 and all the crashing that comptuer does, it's still pretty speedy for such an old computer...

(PS - You can get a 7600GT for $150, and a 7900GT for $250 -- so WHY are we straddled with a $75 7300GT POS in a $2500+ and more likely $3500+ computer??? Ridiculous...)
 
vikas soni said:
But if something goes wrong with your MacPro you`d have to send it back to USA to use applecare. Howzzat for a saving:p :p
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Last time I talked to the Apple store they claimed that the warranty for desktops nowdays is worldwide and not country specific. A year ago only laptops and iPods had a worldwide guarantee. Still, I haven't double checked this info.
Moreover, since I fly back and forth to US at least 6 times per year, it wouldn't cost me anything more than a lot of hassle if anything happened to the MP.

BUT then again, in Sweden they have a special offer (ends Oct 7th) that more or less gives you an iPod for free if you buy a MP, so I guess it wont be worth the trouble to buy it in US.
 
Quiet

I have a old dual 2.7 G5 that sounds like an airplane revving up when only a few applications are going. Should this unit be more quiet or are there any specifications where I can see how it relates to other machines.
 
Multimedia said:
Not really significantly faster than the G5 Quad. Maybe 50% faster at best. As owner of a Quad G5 my motivation would be more about the 6 bays and the FW 800 and extra USB 2 port on the front than the speed. :) Not worth the extra money to go 3GHz - 33% more money for 12% more speed doesn't make economic sense. Need 8 cores inside.
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They really surprised me by going quad across the line. I admit, I didn't see that coming at all.

The most intriguing thing about WWDC to me was the statement that new things will be coming out relatively soon. With the Mac Pro all Woodcrest, it's just a matter of time before a Conroe machine comes out--at least I would assume. I suppose Apple could forego Conroe altogether and put Merom in the iMac, but I doubt it.

Now the question becomes--what's next?
 
ShnikeJSB said:
I've got you ALL beat! My parents are STILL using their Beige G3/333 from October '98!!! They expect a computer to last them AT LEAST 7 years... So sad... And now they don't want to spend more than $2000 on a system... I try and try to explain to them they need to spring twice that for a Mac that will last 7 years, but they won't listen!

Actually, if it weren't for OS9 and all the crashing that comptuer does, it's still pretty speedy for such an old computer...

(PS - You can get a 7600GT for $150, and a 7900GT for $250 -- so WHY are we straddled with a $75 7300GT POS in a $2500+ and more likely $3500+ computer??? Ridiculous...)
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I'd put my parents on an iMac. I'm sure it will last them 7 years. I imagine your parents would be stoked with it. Sound s to me like you're trying to sell them what you want instead of what might be the best computer for them. ;)
 
shelterpaw said:
I'd put my parents on an iMac. I'm sure it will last them 7 years. I imagine your parents would be stoked with it. Sound s to me like you're trying to sell them what you want instead of what might be the best computer for them. ;)
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Kind of, yeah... LOL! But also, we expanded the old one to its limits long ago, and you can't really "expand" an iMac. They want something expandable and more futureproof. I can see a Blue-Ray drive swap and such in my head... ;)
 
ShnikeJSB said:
Kind of, yeah... LOL! But also, we expanded the old one to its limits long ago, and you can't really "expand" an iMac. They want something expandable and more futureproof. I can see a Blue-Ray drive swap and such in my head... ;)
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You can always get an external Blue-Ray drive, but I don't think you'll see a need for it for 3 or 4 years. There's relatively no media for it. You can put a good amount of RAM in the iMac and the processor is upgradable, but I personally wouldn't mess with it.

For backups you might be well served using an external harddrive or perhaps turn your Blue and White into a backup server on a network.

What addons do you see beyond Blue-Ray?
 
Evangelion said:
Let me quote Steve Jobs (from memory):

"And let me point out that we are still the only company that puts handles on their computers. We know that our pro users like to move these machines around, so we built handles on the case"
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Yeah, I'm going to sell my wife's Macbook since the MacPro is out, there just isn't any point to these worthless "portable" computers when you can have a tower that has HANDLES! :rolleyes:

Your wish is a BTO option. Don't forget it, and you'll be fine.
 
shelterpaw said:
You can always get an external Blue-Ray drive, but I don't think you'll see a need for it for 3 or 4 years. There's relatively no media for it. You can put a good amount of RAM in the iMac and the processor is upgradable, but I personally wouldn't mess with it.

For backups you might be well served using an external harddrive or perhaps turn your Blue and White into a backup server on a network.

What addons do you see beyond Blue-Ray?
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Well, considering they want it to last like 7 years -- I'm guessing something like the 1 GB/s Wireless USB in 2010, future wireless standards, maybe a TV tuner card, hell I dunno -- a wireless robot that cleans your office that only an add-in card can support...

All this "external" stuff gets cluttered and more expensive.
 
ShnikeJSB said:
Well, considering they want it to last like 7 years -- I'm guessing something like the 1 GB/s Wireless USB in 2010, future wireless standards, maybe a TV tuner card, hell I dunno -- a wireless robot that cleans your office that only an add-in card can support...

All this "external" stuff gets cluttered and more expensive.
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Well I'm rooting for you, but if you can't convince me, how are you going to convince them?
 
it seems we're still stuck with the Brushed Metal UI and the same type of Finder in Leopard. Hopefully this isn't true and is part of the Top Secret features that weren't disclosed.

Leopard seems nice overall though and looks like it'll scream on the MacPros (and future 64 bit systems). Time Machine seems noice although i dont really see myself using it, so does Spaces. I see myself using the realtime widgets though. Steve definately looked ill (skinny and somewhat disheveled), hopefully he's alright. I guess steve is slowly on his way out.
 
Multimedia said:
Yeah this is definitely Apple's Power Move into high end PC sales. Anyone who wants a Quad Core PC is going to want to buy a Mac Pro no matter how much they hate OS X and love XP. The $1200-$1300 saved will buy 6GB of more ram and a copy of XP Pro. :p

The gloves are off. This is WAR.

Apple is now really STICKING IT to DELL and HP Big Time.
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If Dell/HP has SLI or Crossfire, then Apple NEED to be 1000 dollar cheaper.

Why not even DRIVERS for the Nvidia 7950 card? I have 4 processors, let me use at least dual graphics.
 
Evangelion said:
Since the bus is 256bits wide, the RAM needs to be installed four at a time. OK, you COULD install it in pairs, but you would only get 128bit bus then.
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AMEN!

Read the article on Tomshardware about Xeons.

You need 4 FB-Dimms to get the full bandwith.

You otherwise cripple the system.

The same misstake that many people does with Macbook pros with just one DIMM.

Bring back the G4s. Only needed one DIMM, and a whooping 133mhz!
 
Yea, thats right about the pairs of ram for the new MacPro's.

Thats why I got the 4X512 from Apple with my new system.

Multimedia said it was a bad idea but I dont agree!

Also i realize that this may be perceived as a flame BUT i dont like your Avatar, Multimedia!:rolleyes:

For a Multimedia guy, you should have an animated one and not a face that looks like a uhh PC reviewer like Dvorkian ,or whatever he is called.

Is that your real face?

Ok, I apologize but thats my feelings.
 
Right On

Multimedia said:
I don't know video cards. Are you saying the "NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB" is a like a $75 list card they are selling multiples of for $150? I only have a "NVIDIA GeForce 6600 256MB" in the Quad G5 and I think it's great. So the 7300 GT has got to be a lot better 'cause it's got a higher number plus a GT on the end of the number doesn't it?

A lot of people don't need Wi-Fi or Bluetooth in their workstation. I don't have it in my Quad G5 and have never missed it. Direct hard wire to internet through a router is faster as well as on the local GB network. I am surprised to learn today that Wi-Fi in the Mac Pro will eat a PCI Express slot. That blows. In the G5's it's got a dedicated Airport slot - or did before PCI Express. I would have to look into if it still has a dedicated slot in the Dual Core and Quad G5's.

I hear you. But I doubt Apple will change their plan.
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Exactly. Well Said. The stock 6600 with 256 in the G5 Quad is a fantastic card for 95% of all uses -- and I push my Quad very hard in the areas of Very Large Photoshop Files (large means 1.2 Gig FILES from full size fine art scans), 3D, Video, Flash, and Large Format design.

Same with Wi Fi. Never miss it in my Quad.

Too many people complain about things based on numbers and specs. I for one like Apple's business model and applaud their profit incentives as it keeps R&D strong in areas that are more important to me than mere numbers -- areas like OSX, Xserve, Case Design, Quality of Build, iPod (important as an end user media vehicle for my work), etc.

Well Said.

DJO
 
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