If I am thinking right, I have a feeling that the 7300GT(hell I got the same feeling about ATI and Quadro) is underclocked like the the ATI X1600 and the Intel GMA.Eidorian said:
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shompa said:
Oh Assflaps!
So Apple again have us over a barrel with RAM
Still its damn hard to get mad at them
Quad Mac Pro @ 2GHz With A 160GB HD Is Only $1962
They can get a Quad Mac Pro @ 2GHz with a 160GB HD for $1962 Educational. Maybe you pitch in the other $270 to make it 2.66GHz?ShnikeJSB said:Kind of, yeah... LOL! But also, we expanded the old one to its limits long ago, and you can't really "expand" an iMac. They want something expandable and more futureproof. I can see a Blue-Ray drive swap and such in my head...
shompa said:
I have a funny feeling that even with 2 dimms the computer will be faster than anything out there. Remember the old days of the 8500s when if you put the dimms in pairs the interleaving increased performance? I did that and had a big eye roll afterwards as I noticed NOTHING.
Pay Apple $300 for 1GB Total 2GB or Crucial $344 for 2GB Total 3GB Same 4 RAM Slots
BTW according to tests, the gain from two same size sticks in the MBP turns out to be NOMINAL. Similar results may come to pass for the 4 at-a-time theory in Mac Pro.
Instead of paying Crucial $344 for TWO MORE GB for a total of 3 occupying only 4 slots, you paid Apple $300 for ONE MORE GB taking up the same 4 slots for a total of 2GB. You are a regular rocket scientist Grokgod.Grokgod said:
BTW according to tests, the gain from two same size sticks in the MBP turns out to be NOMINAL. Similar results may come to pass for the 4 at-a-time theory in Mac Pro.
Thank you. Zactly my point. The bottle neck for me will not be in the speed of the RAM but in the number of cores. I suppose it matters what application might be RAM speed Max critical, but I can't think of any can you?macenforcer said:
Jbook said:Mine ships september 13th
let the wait begin
In my experience the "Ships By" date is really just the date that they are absolutely certain it will, well, ship by. No Apple product I've ever ordered has shipped on the "Ships By" date, always earlier. The page where you configured your Mac Pro probably stated a 3-5 week shipping date. Well guess what? 5 weeks from now is September 13th.
You can start hoping on the 29th, I should think.
On a side note, does anyone if have 3 gigabytes of RAM is a bad thing? I've heard various things about having these chips be identical and values being even and so on, and I haven't a clue. I was going to put two 1 gig sticks in alongside the two 512s that my Pro is coming with, for a 3 gig 2x512, 2x1024 setup. But would it be that much better to say, sell of the 512s and get a couple more 1 gig sticks for 4 gigabytes? I'd only do this is it's going to be much better. I only have a bit over a thousand dollars left for RAM and displays, and I'm even more confused about getting a display.
Xcat said:
No difference. As long as corresponding banks are matched. I ran a G5 on 3.5 Gigs of Ram for months and months with not a single hitch. When i finally upgraded to 4 gigs and dropped the 2 PC3200 chips in a wintel box, I noticed no increase in performance.
SPUY767 said:
Neat, thanks! Then I still have a fair bit of money to deal with the display thing.
Jbook said:Mine ships september 13th
let the wait begin
Mine ships Aug. 10th on Thursday. I have been refreshing every 10 seconds for a tracking number as it says 1-3 business days. I placed the order the second the apple store came up.
Save Money Buying Dell Displays
You did the right thing IMO. You can save a lot buying Dell Displays. You should be able to find teh 24" 1920 x 1200 - same source as Apple - for $800 on EBay. There's a Dell reseller there who buys them in bulk from Dell and resells them super cheap with a good resale rating. I love mine next to the 1600 x 1200 20" Dell.Xcat said:
Multimedia
The point here is that if you want optimum performance which the purpose of buying this type of MacPro, the ram is supposed to be placed in fours!
"Mac Pro uses 667MHz DDR2 fully buffered ECC memory, a new industry-standard memory technology that allows for more memory capacity, higher speeds, and better reliability. To take full advantage of the 256-bit wide memory architecture, four or more FB-DIMMs should be installed in Mac Pro."
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to read the data on the ram.
It merely takes someone that isnt always searching for the LOWEST common denominator to save 67 bucks on lowering a HD configuration.
I want the best computer that I can buy and therefore i got the 4 sticks with the intention of filling the other ram slots.
I plan to have a total of 10 gigs when done or perhaps take out the 4x512 later and fill them for a total of 16 gigs.
Depending on performance with the various applications I use.
I dont spend most of my time in Safari and mail as you do.
I spend it in High End graphics from 3d to 2d.
I use my computer to create beyond the average user and am not seeking the lowest to merely get by, I am seeking the best.
And isnt that what APPLE is all about?
I still think your AVATAR says it all! LOL
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The point here is that if you want optimum performance which the purpose of buying this type of MacPro, the ram is supposed to be placed in fours!
"Mac Pro uses 667MHz DDR2 fully buffered ECC memory, a new industry-standard memory technology that allows for more memory capacity, higher speeds, and better reliability. To take full advantage of the 256-bit wide memory architecture, four or more FB-DIMMs should be installed in Mac Pro."
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to read the data on the ram.
It merely takes someone that isnt always searching for the LOWEST common denominator to save 67 bucks on lowering a HD configuration.
I want the best computer that I can buy and therefore i got the 4 sticks with the intention of filling the other ram slots.
I plan to have a total of 10 gigs when done or perhaps take out the 4x512 later and fill them for a total of 16 gigs.
Depending on performance with the various applications I use.
I dont spend most of my time in Safari and mail as you do.
I spend it in High End graphics from 3d to 2d.
I use my computer to create beyond the average user and am not seeking the lowest to merely get by, I am seeking the best.
And isnt that what APPLE is all about?
I still think your AVATAR says it all! LOL
Flame off.
Friendly flames,only look and sound hot, for entertainment purposes only.
No children were burned in creating this post.
Thank you
ok my turn
Sorry in advance if this has been answered already. I have read the first 8 pages on this thread and just need a summary. I have finally decided to plop down the cash for a MacPro and want to clear some things up before I order. Most of the complaints I have read so far are about the graphics card and though I have been shopping since April I never thought about graphics cards. I am currently using a 5 yr old Generic PC with a nvidia Ge Force 5700 Ultra in it that is a couple years old so I am thinking the base card in the MacPro must be way better? I would not consider myself a gamer but one of the duties of my new machine will be a home computer that does play an occansional game any thoughts about the dissapointment level with an occansional game use? I have heard some talk about revisions, anyone have any ideas about a typical revision cycle or how far I would sticking my neck out if I bought one today? Thanks
Sorry in advance if this has been answered already. I have read the first 8 pages on this thread and just need a summary. I have finally decided to plop down the cash for a MacPro and want to clear some things up before I order. Most of the complaints I have read so far are about the graphics card and though I have been shopping since April I never thought about graphics cards. I am currently using a 5 yr old Generic PC with a nvidia Ge Force 5700 Ultra in it that is a couple years old so I am thinking the base card in the MacPro must be way better? I would not consider myself a gamer but one of the duties of my new machine will be a home computer that does play an occansional game any thoughts about the dissapointment level with an occansional game use? I have heard some talk about revisions, anyone have any ideas about a typical revision cycle or how far I would sticking my neck out if I bought one today? Thanks
No where does it say the ram in the mac pro needs to be installed 4 of the same size dimms. So is it safe to assume 2 x 1gb and 2 x 512mb dimms would allow 256bit?
I'm impressed with the pricing, for exmple, I just configured a Mac Pro, with the full 3GHz cores, 16Gb RAM, 2TB of HDD, etc The works, and it cam to under £9000, I seem to remember doing somthing very similar to the G5, and it was much much more, like over £12,000...
Not bad at all, but at the mo, its way more than I need! lol
Cheers
Not bad at all, but at the mo, its way more than I need! lol
Cheers
Oh snap. Wife just stopped at the apple store on her way home from work and got me a 30" Cinema Display to go with my Mac Pro. God I love her. Hooking up on my PC now. MAN!
Have you heard about this?
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Did you hear this one?
Can anyone confirm the rumor that Apple has removed the OPTION key from all new Mac Pro machines?
I guess Options are a sensitive subject in Cupertino these days.
Yes, Steve did look rather gaunt at yesterday's keynote. But bear two things in mind:
1. He is a recovering pancreatic cancer victim.
2. He is either a vegan or vegetarian.
Steve did seem to rely upon his exec staff more than in the past, but it did give us the opportunity to size them up a bit. A few observations...
1. Phil Schiller looks as though he could hold his own in a Sumo wrestling bout with Steve Ballmer.
2. Bertrand sounded as though he was auditioning for the Inspector Clouseau part in The Pink Panther.
3. Scott Forrestall appeared to be aping Steve Jobs' gestures, mannerisms and speech patterns. Is he the anointed one? Is he being groomed as Jobs' successor? If it happens, you read it here first.
Like most of Wall Street and the world, I hope that neither illness nor executive shuffling prevent Steve from helming Apple for many decades to come.
Send a message via AIM to Peter Weisz
Did you hear this one?
Can anyone confirm the rumor that Apple has removed the OPTION key from all new Mac Pro machines?
I guess Options are a sensitive subject in Cupertino these days.
Yes, Steve did look rather gaunt at yesterday's keynote. But bear two things in mind:
1. He is a recovering pancreatic cancer victim.
2. He is either a vegan or vegetarian.
Steve did seem to rely upon his exec staff more than in the past, but it did give us the opportunity to size them up a bit. A few observations...
1. Phil Schiller looks as though he could hold his own in a Sumo wrestling bout with Steve Ballmer.
2. Bertrand sounded as though he was auditioning for the Inspector Clouseau part in The Pink Panther.
3. Scott Forrestall appeared to be aping Steve Jobs' gestures, mannerisms and speech patterns. Is he the anointed one? Is he being groomed as Jobs' successor? If it happens, you read it here first.
Like most of Wall Street and the world, I hope that neither illness nor executive shuffling prevent Steve from helming Apple for many decades to come.
Multimedia said:You did the right thing IMO. You can save a lot buying Dell Displays. You should be able to find teh 24" 1920 x 1200 - same source as Apple - for $800 on EBay. There's a Dell reseller there who buys them in bulk from Dell and resells them super cheap with a good resale rating. I love mine next to the 1600 x 1200 20" Dell.
I would take the Apple Cinema Display in the 23" model for $999 any day, or at $899 for educational.. AT the end of the day, the extra couple hundred is worth it to get away from the cheap plastic crap Dell is passing off.
Some Of Us Like Black LCD Display Frames
Moreover the Dell Monitors have video inputs as well as analog VGA inputs so I can view two computers on the same monitor by switching the Dell input from DVI to VGA. I really like that a lot MN MacMan.
I don't think of the Dell enclosures as "cheap plastic crap" at all. I really like Dark Brown Plastic more than shiny Aluminum. I am working in the dark most of the time and the dark Dell frames are invisible in the dark. I'm afraid Apple's Aluminum would be reflecting all sorts of distractions in the dark. With the Dell monitors in the dark I only see the screens.
Wow I didn't realize how much the displays got reduced in price yesterday. The 30" are only $1800 refurb. So I guess this is a matter of personal preference. You see I prefer the Dell dark brown frames to the shiny Aluminum Apple frames. Plus the Dell Rotate 90°. Unfortunately the NVIDIA graphics cards don't support Pivot like ATI cards do. I had Pivot support on my Dual 2.5GHz G5 but don't on my Quad G5. Bummer. Stupid NVIDIA.minnesotamacman said:
Moreover the Dell Monitors have video inputs as well as analog VGA inputs so I can view two computers on the same monitor by switching the Dell input from DVI to VGA. I really like that a lot MN MacMan.
I don't think of the Dell enclosures as "cheap plastic crap" at all. I really like Dark Brown Plastic more than shiny Aluminum. I am working in the dark most of the time and the dark Dell frames are invisible in the dark. I'm afraid Apple's Aluminum would be reflecting all sorts of distractions in the dark.
With the Dell monitors in the dark I only see the screens.