Your delusional! Apple is doing just fine! I dont get why everyone thinks the have the Answer!!! Smh
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1.0 Apple product, here I come!
More of my Apple purchases have been 1.0 products than not. For example, my current machine is a 2006 MacBook Pro, 2GHz Core Duo (32-bit), maxed out at 2GBs of RAM. I wore out the first keyboard (I'm a writer), and I replaced the original 100GB 7200rpm hard drive with a big honking 7200rpm drive two years ago. It's still a very capable machine and I use is to run my publishing business.
The minute I can buy a nice 4K monitor (28" to 32") for something near a grand, I'll be ordering a new $2,999 Mac Pro, and a 6TB Lacie 2Big thunderbolt external, which I'll set up as a RAID1.
It's gonna be like stepping out of an old roadster and jumping into an electric dragster.
I CAN'T WAIT!!!
More of my Apple purchases have been 1.0 products than not. For example, my current machine is a 2006 MacBook Pro, 2GHz Core Duo (32-bit), maxed out at 2GBs of RAM. I wore out the first keyboard (I'm a writer), and I replaced the original 100GB 7200rpm hard drive with a big honking 7200rpm drive two years ago. It's still a very capable machine and I use is to run my publishing business.
The minute I can buy a nice 4K monitor (28" to 32") for something near a grand, I'll be ordering a new $2,999 Mac Pro, and a 6TB Lacie 2Big thunderbolt external, which I'll set up as a RAID1.
It's gonna be like stepping out of an old roadster and jumping into an electric dragster.
I CAN'T WAIT!!!
Looking forward to owning one at some point
probably not for a while though. My 2009 MacPro does what I need it to and while for quite some time. If I throw an SSD in here (or OWC Flash Storage) plus a 7970 or something similar
I'll be screaming along even more then I am now. Editing and posting a film on RED would be no problem on this current machine so anybody complaining about bottlenecks and other BS on these newer machines is off their rocker. They're going to be plenty fast enough, even the standard model is plenty.
Stop jacking up your price point with the internal storage. OWC will have third party stuff before you know it. If I'm not mistaking, the exact same chip (or similar) plugs into their storage replaceable PCIe Flash Storage card. No matter what it's pricey but it's new tech.
I can't wait to see more real world benchmarks on these machines
Stop jacking up your price point with the internal storage. OWC will have third party stuff before you know it. If I'm not mistaking, the exact same chip (or similar) plugs into their storage replaceable PCIe Flash Storage card. No matter what it's pricey but it's new tech.
I can't wait to see more real world benchmarks on these machines
I know I'm commenting on my own OP but I just had a eureka moment. That is exactly what they are going to do. That's why they dumbed down the software and lowered the price so much. They are going to give away Aperture, Logic and Final Cut with every new MBP and Mac Pro in order to add perceived value to the hardware and help them maintain their hardware price points.
It makes perfect sense after what they did recently with iWork and iLife by making them free with every new Mac purchased. They are going to stop selling software altogether and just give it away free with their hardware. Consumer focussed Mac/iOS hardware will get free consumer software and pro focussed Mac hardware will get that plus the pro software free as well.
Man, I hope you're right. For the record: I think you're insane. But man I hope you're rightinsanely right!
Read this guide to which model to buy:
http://www.marco.org/2013/11/26/new-mac-pro-cpus
...LESS faster cores, is (usually) better than more SLOWER cores.
http://www.marco.org/2013/11/26/new-mac-pro-cpus
...LESS faster cores, is (usually) better than more SLOWER cores.
Maybe you're right. We'll see. I've successfully predicted the demise of several tech companies over the years. I even got made redundant from one tech company because I told them their Marketing/Product Director was an a**hole who didn't have a clue what he was doing and was leading the company's product strategy in completely the wrong direction. I may have lost my job but I was proved right in the end as the company fell apart a few years later. What can I say, I say it as I see it.
I don't wish the same fate on Apple as I love using their products and I think Jony Ive is a design genius.
Probably not that great. At minimum the power cord and a monitor cord will be plugged in, but most people will have more cables than that. I guess you could leave enough slack in the cables to allow you to turn the machine around, but it is still going to be awkward.
Hmmm, most of the stuff I'm plugging into it is on my desk but I'm going to put in on the floor instead of my desk?
Anyway, people occasionally mention the idea of putting it on the floor, but I think most of these people just really aren't conceiving the actual size of this thing.
It is tiny. It is about ten inches high and 6.6 inches in diameter. It has a smaller footprint than a Mac Mini. Do people put the Mac Mini on the floor? Maybe there are people who do, but I think most keep it on their desk.
If I bought one of these new Mac Pros and put in on the floor under my desk, anybody walking into my office would say "hey, why do you have cords running from all of those things on your desk down to that little thing on the floor. It looks ridiculous. Some of those things on your desk are actually bigger than the little thing on the floor. Why don't you just keep that on your desk too?"
You do realize that the team in place right now is, for the most part, the team Steve put in place to succeed him. So basically what you're saying is Steve was lousy at succession planning and grooming the executive team to take over for him. Or that he put in place an executive team full of yes men who couldn't think on their own and would just execute whatever he wanted. Either way it doesn't make Jobs look good.
I just have to add in here that after many years of running one, I completely disagree with you. You have memory leaks. Purging memory does not work like it should. AICUPM is not like it would be on an actual Apple CPU model. I run an ASUS MAXIMUS V FORMULA with an i7-3770K @ 4.8 GHz, 32GB of Gskill 1866 RAM and a GTX 680 OC. It is no where near as stable as my 2011 MacBook Pro. My newer Haswell ASUS MAXIMUS VI FORMULA with an i7-4770K is even worse for overall reliability.
A hackintosh will never be what a Mac Pro is. I have learned that now. OS X Mavericks is written for Apple hardware and AMD GPUs, not other desktop CPUs. Mavericks especially brings all kinds of new complications to the hackintosh world also. UEFI also causes some issues on top of this
I am going to shelling out for one of these because my hack has let me down too many times. My Pro Tools sessions will jump to login screen while I am using the system and my 32G of RAM will get used up because unused memory is not correctly managed!
Man, I hope you're right. For the record: I think you're insane. But man I hope you're rightinsanely right!
Final Cut costs £200, Logic £140 and Aperture £55. So they would only be giving away 400 quid's worth of software on a 3 or 4 grand Mac Pro. Plus I suspect from what I've heard on the grapevine they are struggling to sell their 15" Retina MBPs at the higher price points. This move would help them to add value to the MBP without having to lower the price again.
Not much really when you consider it gives them an added selling point. It keeps customers using Apple software instead of Adobe without having to spend much on R&D as they're not likely to pump much into free software development. It also opens up an opportunity for the wider software industry to start building add on products for those who need a bit more, with Apple taking their usual 30% cut.
I used to think I was delusional but now I'm in two minds about that.
That's exactly what he did. After his previous experience at Apple of course he didn't want to bring in anyone who could potentially challenge him for the top job. Everything I've read about Steve points to the fact that he was a ruthless and totally focussed person who knew exactly what he wanted. He was very egotistical but so are most of the truly great business leaders. That's what sets them apart from the pack. Of course Tim Cook was a yes man. The guy wouldn't say boo to a goose. And the same goes for Schiller. Ive was the only one who stood out which is probably why Steve admired him so much and let him get on with things.
This is not unusual in business. Many companies have struggled after their visionary leader or founder left. Sony did. HP did. IBM did. Disney did. Microsoft did. I'm sure they're others but it's late and I'm tired.
So you're saying I should throw out a perfectly fine working red rocket card, fiber card, and deck link and purchase whole new self-contained unit if each if a third party manufacturer makes a thunderbolt case for it? Well that only adds an extra $3-5k to the cost of a new Mac Pro.
Also you can't migrate 8tb of data stored on internal drives in an old Mac Pro to a new Mac Pro which has only 1TB of storage. In order to maintain the speed of internal drives, you will need to purchase a thunderbolt raid case. That's another $2k or so.
People have functioning systems and hardware designed for their workflows. An Avid user with Adobe CC could switch to a comparable PC for about $5-$10k less since software licenses could be transferred free, and existing hardware could still be used in a new box.
I'm not saying the Mac Pro is crap. I'm saying as a pro machine which requires expandability it is going to cost significantly more than the prices apple are quoting.
Wow--under $10,000 what a bargain but but but.......where are the wheels. Hey at that price if I can't drive it I'm not buying it.....
All this griping about cost of these is nuts. All decent workstation cost this sort of price - You can Price up a Boxx to nearly $50K - But If you have to question the price you just plain don't need it at all. Oh and it's tax deductible.
Well, A Taxi Driver friend of mine bought a taxi the other day for $40K - he didn't bat an eyelid. It's his livelihood. Same with this.
My last Mac Pro cos me £6K but I bought a PC in 2003 that cost me £19K
But the software Licences on some of the stuff I need like Nuke and Maya etc add up to cost more than the machine.
especially when it doesn't come with a keyboard and a mouse.
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Shouldn't they be providing AT LEAST keyboard and mouse? HAHAH
Only a complete sucker would pay interest on any credit card. There are zero interest cards a-plenty right now.
So then do you think Steve purposely set Apple up to fail after he was gone? I ask this because so many who complain about Tim Cook never seem to be able to explain why Steve chose him for CEO. If Tim is that bad, the only conclusion one can come to is either Steve was horrible at picking leaders or he purposely chose someone who would cause Apple to fail because his ego was such that no way would he let Apple succeed without him (assuming all the current successful products, sans iOS 7, were in the pipeline on his watch and thus he could take credit for them).
Yes the point about lack of Xeon or X79 support with proper power-management
Thank you for mentioning the parts I missed out
I thought the whole point of Adobe CC is that you store your files in the Cloud so you don't need as much local storage and your files are always safely backed up.
Isn't that the way business software is going with things like Salesforce and Dropbox. Cloud computing reduces the need for large file storage locally.
A modular approach allows Apple to keep the base price lower for the Mac Pro which is good for small businesses who don't need all that extra stuff. Apple even said it in their keynote. The Mac Pro is aimed at pro photographers, graphic designers, music producers, etc. Often these are one person businesses or businesses with just a few people. They need the power and flexibility whilst keeping their costs down. These people are also heavily into design which is why it's important to make the Mac Pro look good.
It will be interesting to see the cost difference on a similarly performing non-Apple box.
If these initial prices are valid, it looks like the new Mac Pro will be about
twice as expensive as a similarly performing BTO box.
Whereas the last Mac Pro was only about 30% more expensive
than it's similarly performing vanilla PC/Linux counterpart.
Perhaps the pent up demand for a non-obsolete Mac Pro
will overcome the stratospheric, even for Apple, Tiffany pricing.
I expect, however, that the Hackintosh community will continue to thrive
due to the extremely proprietary nature and expense of the Mac Pro.
If these initial prices are valid, it looks like the new Mac Pro will be about
twice as expensive as a similarly performing BTO box.
Whereas the last Mac Pro was only about 30% more expensive
than it's similarly performing vanilla PC/Linux counterpart.
Perhaps the pent up demand for a non-obsolete Mac Pro
will overcome the stratospheric, even for Apple, Tiffany pricing.
I expect, however, that the Hackintosh community will continue to thrive
due to the extremely proprietary nature and expense of the Mac Pro.
Insanely delusional.
I was thinking that Apple would offer (at the launch) a small carrot in the form of slightly better hardware (for the price). But this software idea of yourswhich is, I remind you, insanecould be just the ticket. What am I saying?!
Final Cut costs £200, Logic £140 and Aperture £55. So they would only be giving away 400 quid's worth of software on a 3 or 4 grand Mac Pro. Plus I suspect from what I've heard on the grapevine they are struggling to sell their 15" Retina MBPs at the higher price points. This move would help them to add value to the MBP without having to lower the price again.
Not much really when you consider it gives them an added selling point. It keeps customers using Apple software instead of Adobe without having to spend much on R&D as they're not likely to pump much into free software development. It also opens up an opportunity for the wider software industry to start building add on products for those who need a bit more, with Apple taking their usual 30% cut.
I used to think I was delusional but now I'm in two minds about that.
I was thinking that Apple would offer (at the launch) a small carrot in the form of slightly better hardware (for the price). But this software idea of yourswhich is, I remind you, insanecould be just the ticket. What am I saying?!
Not sure you will need the Red Rocket You should be able to run a number of 4K layers realtime on this..
If you are Doing 4k work you should be on SSDs anyway. And they wouldn't require Raid specifically. But of course Redundant drives are a better option. I only use physical drives to back up onto now. SSDs are becoming affordable as work drives.
But like you say you are used to your workflow and that's what's important. But you'll never see me going back to windows and the constant Tweaking it need to keep it all working. Painful.
I Can see where you are going with your pricing but I've found docks and adaptors way cheaper and it's only going to become cheaper.
Synology and Dlink will stuart putting in TB in and the prices will really come down. But it's really in Intel's court to lower the Licence fee on TB and open it up more.
No I don't think that Steve would purposely set Apple up to fail. You want to know what I think? I think Steve didn't believe he was going to die until the very end when it was too late. He needed a safe pair of hands to do the boring stuff while Steve did the creative stuff and he needed someone who he could trust wouldn't stab him in the back and takeover while he was sick. He also needed someone so bland that it made Steve look even better in all those keynotes. He was an egotist but so what. He was very good at what he did and was an outstanding business leader.
I honestly think if Steve knew he was going to die he would have put a better team in place to take over. But you have to remember what happened in the 80's. He brought in Sculley because he thought he would be a good leader and the board decided he would make a better leader than Steve. That's got to hurt and influence how you view the world thereafter. Steve was certainly never going to make that mistake again.